Tarik Black doesn't play cause he doesn't give Rodman like effort

[crazyeights]

^I think most would agree that it's the fact Byron did it publicly is what seems odd/unprofessional. He should absolutely hold Tarik to high standards, but calling him out seems weird. It's not like Tarik's a Bynum type headcase.

Regardless, as I've said a number of times, I don't mind Byron being hard on these kids, and I agree they need that sort of structure...but that also means they need to have a structured offense and defense. As Worthy pointed out in another thread, they need to learn simple things like: how to space the court on offense, hell even just where to be when the ball-handler is driving to the basket, we have guys standing in positions that make no damn sense, so when Russell goes to pass he's throwing it to the photographers. That kind of dysfunction shows a lack of what they're being taught.

I don't see a lot of people lamenting about how much we're losing so much as how little progress we've seen at times on the court. A coach, especially of a young team should absolutely lay down the law if he has to, I totally agree, but he also has to have a law or two that makes sense.

[gts1]

Well said by my bro iamworthy.....man I get sick and tired of the same clique of posters complaining about Byron like this was actually set up to win in the first place. These young'ins simply forget that these young players have NEVER been HUMBLED in their entire lives, like you said bro they've been handled with kid gloves from Day 1. My only quip with Byron would be to not be so blunt about it in a public eye as much. But hell it don't matter since they stick a damn mic in his face everyday.

Scott's been in a no win position (fan and media wise) from the outset, he's been given a team incapable of winning that's loaded with young players that he's been charged with developing... It's not like he's trying to develop just one rookie or even two, he's got a truck load of inexperienced youth on this team, (and most of them have some skills) each is deserving of real playing time and each is a different type of player in his own with different needs as far as learning the game goes...

perfect example.... Russell and Randle playing time, not getting enough, last game they got plenty, played well and now we get a bunch off the same folks (here and other social media places) crying T Black didn't get enough playing time... haha I mean WTF?

Add in it's Kobe's last year and that's drawing a little bit of attention (sarcasm) that Scott needs to address/balance and no matter what he does there are fans who're going to be barking about that too. Too much Kobe, not enough Kobe blah blah blah somebody with a pen, keyboard and or a microphone in Laker land is going to be loud and unhappy and make sure everyone know's it...lol

Personally I expect to see Scott back next year unless he wants to move on, the FO has to acknowledge the situation they've put him in, while the improvement of the kids since the start of the season is clearly evident, Scott's hand in that can't be ignored unless you just hate the guy

[TKainZero]

Mike brown
Dantonie
Byron Scott


Can it get worse?
Sam Mitchell?

[Sedale Threatt]

It's not just the criticism, which seems almost confrontational and personal to me than anything designed to actually motivate better performance, but also the steady stream of WTF BS that comes out of Byron's mouth. You listen to this guy and it's like he's straight out of the 1950s. Like his comments on 3-point shooting and analytics...it's almost like being anti-science. That means you've got a closed mind, and you're not willing to look at every possible option to win. I don't want that person coaching my team.

As for being hard on the kids...it all depends on the approach. If you're actually coaching them, and developing a personal relationship in the process, it really doesn't matter -- they'll have your respect and listen to the message instead of how it's delivered. But if I'm not mistaken, Russell, Randle and now Brown have all intimated at various points that they're not really sure what he wants from them. Maybe that's some "F me? No, F you" bravado. But it's also a potential indication that, as some of us suspect, Byron doesn't really have much of a clue about what he's doing.

Bottom line, Byron's not the guy we're going to need when we get this thing back on track and start contending again. He's been sacked everywhere he's been, including a palace coup orchestrated by his star player and lead assistant in New Jersey because they didn't respect his preparation. (In his defense, he seemed to have Paul's respect.) Right now, I'm not going to foment all that hard for his removal because we're so freaking bad, and so far from where we need to be from a talent stand point. It's a tough spot.

But I promise you -- just like Del Harris before we got Phil, Byron Scott's not the long-term answer at head coach for us to get back to where we want to go.

[Slava]

[jeroka]

Tarik Black is a 3rd string center... that's basically the reason he doesn't play much... I don't know why the media and the fans need to blow this thing up... it's pretty obvious, most 3rd string guys barely see action. asking Byron Scott to justify Black's lack of minutes is just a deliberate attempt to put him on the spot, obviously just trying to sow negativity within the team.

Although, I'd like to see Hibbert demoted, I'd be fine with a Black-Bass rotation... I don't know how that will reflect on Jim Buss and Mitch Kupchak, given that Hibbert was their "biggest" off season acquisition, after their much publicized failure to snatch a top free agent.

[Spens1]

Tarik Black is a 3rd string center... that's basically the reason he doesn't play much... I don't know why the media and the fans need to blow this thing up... it's pretty obvious, most 3rd string guys barely see action. asking Byron Scott to justify Black's lack of minutes is just a deliberate attempt to put him on the spot, obviously just trying to sow negativity within the team.

Although, I'd like to see Hibbert demoted, I'd be fine with a Black-Bass rotation... I don't know how that will reflect on Jim Buss and Mitch Kupchak, given that Hibbert was their "biggest" off season acquisition, after their much publicized failure to snatch a top free agent.

he's third string behind a waste of space and another player who shouldn't be playing in the nba (hell, i'd argue Sacre ain't good enough for Europe) and should actually be apart of our cheerleading squad instead. Also Bass isn't even a Center, he's like 6'8, now i know size doesn't matter too much but 6'8 is nuts for a center who isn't at least 270 pounds.

and from the little game time he has had, he's actually been good, a lot better than either center we have

[Penberthy]

Mike brown
Dantonie
Byron Scott


Can it get worse?
Sam Mitchell?

Dantony would definitely have this squad out of top 3 lottery contention

Russell Lou
Clarkson Lou
Kobe Young
Nance Kelly
Randle Bass

[stan francisco]

Im all kinda Byroned out. We've enter a place on this thread where hating Byron is the cool thing to do. Its seems like its all or nothing with him around here, as if EVERYTHING he does is bad. But hey, this is the internet. Ive flamed Byron on something and somethings I had a problem with but after thinking about it It doesnt bother me. Its almost like a lot of guys around here just havent played ball in a organized fashion. Like we all had issue when Byron said something like kobe can do that because hes kobe and the young guys cant do that. The fact is coaches coach different players differently all the time. The difference is most coaches dont say if publicly. Byron is a Laker at heart, he loves this team alot more than any of these current players on this team. He's not trying to get himself fired, so if we all take a step back and look at it from that way maybe we can come to the conclusion that he is just trying to get the most out of these guys. Now, you may not like the road he's taking but upper management does. Byron is pretty much coaching Russ, Randle, Clarkson, Nance, Brown, and Tarik. Those are the people he is hardest on. If I were a player on the lakers and your name was not mentioned then there's probably no future with you on this team. But if comments like the one squeezes %10 more out of Tarik then we should all be grateful to Byron scott for helping this team get better even if he is let go. If Russell and Randle cant handle being coached tough because they've been handled with kit gloves since jr. high school. Then you probably dont have the mental makeup to lead us to a championship anyways. Byrons not a angel, he's just not as bad as people are making him out to be. He was hired beause he is a disciplinarian. Something Mitch and Buss probably thought they needed when starting a rebuild. You cant come in acting like Kobe on day one when you havent won jack.

Good post.

For the records, I've bee against BS since before they hired him, and I try not to vent in every post but this marks a low even for him, the stuff he's saying kills will to play hard. Hard and dumb are two different things...

[Spens1]

Mike brown
Dantonie
Byron Scott


Can it get worse?
Sam Mitchell?

Dantony would definitely have this squad out of top 3 lottery contention

Russell Lou
Clarkson Lou
Kobe Young
Nance Kelly
Randle Bass

we'd conceed 130 a night no question, we'd probably score 110 though, its pretty good offensively (on paper at least)