Don't Be Hurtin' Lin - The Jeremy Lin Thread 2

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[bws94]

Lin not in the top 15 in jersey sales. Come on Lin fans, buy some Hornets Lin jerseys already! Just kidding.

I put my value for Lin on this roster next season at 7/8 mil. What numbers do you guys think is fair and expected?

I'd offer Lin something in the range of 3/21 to 3/24 (maybe with a player option for 3rd year), for Lin to continue a similar role as backup PG, secondary playmaker and combo guard in the 20-30 mpg range. If Lin turned down that deal, at the end of the day, if I was the Hornets, I would feel OK with my offer and just accept to move in a different direction and look to fill a different need.

I think your numbers sound about right. And I think Lin's current role on the team is good too (i.e., 6th man, closing 5, spot starter, 28-30 min/game). Aside from his current injury and shooting woes, the one other problem is that he hasn't been able to make this team better. I thought he'd be PNRing with Zeller, alley-ooping with Lamb, running a fast tempo offense with Clifford's greenlight but he looks stuck in the mud. No PNR options, no alley-oop options, this team doesn't seem to be a natural fit for Lin's style, nor has he been able to impose his style on the Hornets. It's not good for either side.

Can Lin remain closing 5? I'd love for Lin to stay with the Hornets for stability and I like the team. I'll watch this team still whether Lin stays or not. I'll still contribute to this board, although maybe not as much. MKG has to be the defensive choice. Lin has a lot of attributes that makes him good for the closing 5, however, MKG is an elite defender and is 6 foot 7. It makes more sense to take Lin out of the closing 5 rather than Marv most nights when MKG gets back.

I wonder if MKG can help with the oops. That's a huge part of Lin's facilitating game that is not exploited on this team. We saw it a bit with Lamb, but then it was a few games and done. If MKG can power himself to receive Lin's alley oop tosses, then maybe that's a good tandem that we don't know about. Still, I wish the team would run more so we could see Lin's beautiful transition game.

[RealHusky]

Lin not in the top 15 in jersey sales. Come on Lin fans, buy some Hornets Lin jerseys already! Just kidding.

I put my value for Lin on this roster next season at 7/8 mil. What numbers do you guys think is fair and expected?

I'd offer Lin something in the range of 3/21 to 3/24 (maybe with a player option for 3rd year), for Lin to continue a similar role as backup PG, secondary playmaker and combo guard in the 20-30 mpg range. If Lin turned down that deal, at the end of the day, if I was the Hornets, I would feel OK with my offer and just accept to move in a different direction and look to fill a different need.

Dragic is Miami is making $18M per year. Jackson in Detroit is getting $16M. Based on your value, Lin is half the player of those 2? To be realistic, Lin should be looking for a deal that pays him at minimal $12M to $15M per year. To me, Lin is no less player than either of those 2. I would rather have Lin closing out games than either Dragic or Jackson TBH.

FYI, Batum is nowhere close to a max player or as the #1 option on a team. Some can argue Lin is as important to this team as Batum but many might not agree. I think paying $8M to Lin while offering max to Batum might be kind of insult, but Charlotte got to do what's important to the team. I guess we will find out soon after the season is over.

I am almost 100% sure Lin will opt out after this season. He would be insane to get this low of salary for another year in such a small market. He would get way more than that just to play in China if he wants to.

[13th Man]

A player's worth is based on how much value he is to a particular team. I don't think 8M on this team with the current makeup and role is unreasonable, it's pretty fair actually. Could Lin be worth more on a different team? Who knows, time will tell.

[JDR720]

no team will give lin 12-15 million.

he'll get around 8

[cw3k]

no team will give lin 12-15 million.

he'll get around 8

Never say never. Tristan Thompson got 16m/year coming off the bench with hardly anything to back it up.

[JDR720]

no team will give lin 12-15 million.

he'll get around 8

Never say never. Tristan Thompson got 16m/year coming off the bench with hardly anything to back it up.

he can thank lebron for that

[RealHusky]

no team will give lin 12-15 million.

he'll get around 8

Good thing you are not a NBA GM or Lin's agent. I was looking at Lin's value purely based on performance and he would be taking a huge discount at $8M per year.

[BlackOutBuzz]

The problem for Lin is the money divide between starter and backup. If a team believes he can come in and be their guy, as a starter, then there's no reason to believe he CAN'T net 8 figures annually given the current cap landscape. However most backups make, well, what Lin got paid this year. So it comes down to the starter/backup distinction.

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[fatlever]

Lin not in the top 15 in jersey sales. Come on Lin fans, buy some Hornets Lin jerseys already! Just kidding.

I put my value for Lin on this roster next season at 7/8 mil. What numbers do you guys think is fair and expected?

I'd offer Lin something in the range of 3/21 to 3/24 (maybe with a player option for 3rd year), for Lin to continue a similar role as backup PG, secondary playmaker and combo guard in the 20-30 mpg range. If Lin turned down that deal, at the end of the day, if I was the Hornets, I would feel OK with my offer and just accept to move in a different direction and look to fill a different need.

I think your numbers sound about right. And I think Lin's current role on the team is good too (i.e., 6th man, closing 5, spot starter, 28-30 min/game). Aside from his current injury and shooting woes, the one other problem is that he hasn't been able to make this team better. I thought he'd be PNRing with Zeller, alley-ooping with Lamb, running a fast tempo offense with Clifford's greenlight but he looks stuck in the mud. No PNR options, no alley-oop options, this team doesn't seem to be a natural fit for Lin's style, nor has he been able to impose his style on the Hornets. It's not good for either side.

Can Lin remain closing 5? I'd love for Lin to stay with the Hornets for stability and I like the team. I'll watch this team still whether Lin stays or not. I'll still contribute to this board, although maybe not as much. MKG has to be the defensive choice. Lin has a lot of attributes that makes him good for the closing 5, however, MKG is an elite defender and is 6 foot 7. It makes more sense to take Lin out of the closing 5 rather than Marv most nights when MKG gets back.

I wonder if MKG can help with the oops. That's a huge part of Lin's facilitating game that is not exploited on this team. We saw it a bit with Lamb, but then it was a few games and done. If MKG can power himself to receive Lin's alley oop tosses, then maybe that's a good tandem that we don't know about. Still, I wish the team would run more so we could see Lin's beautiful transition game.

Its not something Cliff has done much in the past, but I could definitely see us closing games with a Kemba-Lin-MKG-Batum-Zeller group when teams are playing smaller.

[fatlever]

Lin not in the top 15 in jersey sales. Come on Lin fans, buy some Hornets Lin jerseys already! Just kidding.

I put my value for Lin on this roster next season at 7/8 mil. What numbers do you guys think is fair and expected?

I'd offer Lin something in the range of 3/21 to 3/24 (maybe with a player option for 3rd year), for Lin to continue a similar role as backup PG, secondary playmaker and combo guard in the 20-30 mpg range. If Lin turned down that deal, at the end of the day, if I was the Hornets, I would feel OK with my offer and just accept to move in a different direction and look to fill a different need.

Dragic is Miami is making $18M per year. Jackson in Detroit is getting $16M. Based on your value, Lin is half the player of those 2? To be realistic, Lin should be looking for a deal that pays him at minimal $12M to $15M per year. To me, Lin is no less player than either of those 2. I would rather have Lin closing out games than either Dragic or Jackson TBH.

FYI, Batum is nowhere close to a max player or as the #1 option on a team. Some can argue Lin is as important to this team as Batum but many might not agree. I think paying $8M to Lin while offering max to Batum might be kind of insult, but Charlotte got to do what's important to the team. I guess we will find out soon after the season is over.

I am almost 100% sure Lin will opt out after this season. He would be insane to get this low of salary for another year in such a small market. He would get way more than that just to play in China if he wants to.

As others mentioned, I am only concerned with what Lin is worth to the Hornets based on his current and projected role. He is not worth 12-15mil for the Hornets based on his current role and production. If he can get 12-15mil on the open market next summer from another team, good for him. Hornets will certainly not pay him that much.

[Braggins]

Its not something Cliff has done much in the past, but I could definitely see us closing games with a Kemba-Lin-MKG-Batum-Zeller group when teams are playing smaller.

Do you think we could get away with Frank at center once MKG comes back? It seems iffy for this season at least, but MKG is a freakin miracle worker on defense.

Kemba, Batum, MKG, Marv, Frank
Kemba, Lin, Batum, MKG, Frank - This one might be too greedy

[JDR720]

no team will give lin 12-15 million.

he'll get around 8

Good thing you are not a NBA GM or Lin's agent. I was looking at Lin's value purely based on performance and he would be taking a huge discount at $8M per year.

well i cant possibly see his value go from 2 million to 15 million even with the cap going way up. he isn't some young guy you're paying based on potential, he is/will be a 28 year old PG who averages around 12/4/3 for his career.

feel free to name some teams that would pay him that much

[bws94]

Lin not in the top 15 in jersey sales. Come on Lin fans, buy some Hornets Lin jerseys already! Just kidding.

I put my value for Lin on this roster next season at 7/8 mil. What numbers do you guys think is fair and expected?

I'd offer Lin something in the range of 3/21 to 3/24 (maybe with a player option for 3rd year), for Lin to continue a similar role as backup PG, secondary playmaker and combo guard in the 20-30 mpg range. If Lin turned down that deal, at the end of the day, if I was the Hornets, I would feel OK with my offer and just accept to move in a different direction and look to fill a different need.

Dragic is Miami is making $18M per year. Jackson in Detroit is getting $16M. Based on your value, Lin is half the player of those 2? To be realistic, Lin should be looking for a deal that pays him at minimal $12M to $15M per year. To me, Lin is no less player than either of those 2. I would rather have Lin closing out games than either Dragic or Jackson TBH.

FYI, Batum is nowhere close to a max player or as the #1 option on a team. Some can argue Lin is as important to this team as Batum but many might not agree. I think paying $8M to Lin while offering max to Batum might be kind of insult, but Charlotte got to do what's important to the team. I guess we will find out soon after the season is over.

I am almost 100% sure Lin will opt out after this season. He would be insane to get this low of salary for another year in such a small market. He would get way more than that just to play in China if he wants to.

As others mentioned, I am only concerned with what Lin is worth to the Hornets based on his current and projected role. He is not worth 12-15mil for the Hornets based on his current role and production. If he can get 12-15mil on the open market next summer from another team, good for him. Hornets will certainly not pay him that much.

I don't see him at 12-15 mil either. 9 or 10 mil perhaps but not sure if he's productive enough as a Hornet for that salary. I think i'ts better Lin be somewhat underpaid, not as outrageously as he is now. That way expectations are lower and he is a better value. Lin can makes tons of money with endorsements. He's a unique NBA player being Asian-American and moreover, he's got a great, kind of goofy personality and is very marketable.

[bws94]

Its not something Cliff has done much in the past, but I could definitely see us closing games with a Kemba-Lin-MKG-Batum-Zeller group when teams are playing smaller.

Do you think we could get away with Frank at center once MKG comes back? It seems iffy for this season at least, but MKG is a freakin miracle worker on defense.

Kemba, Batum, MKG, Marv, Frank
Kemba, Lin, Batum, MKG, Frank - This one might be too greedy

Big and small lineups. I think Frank needs more experience first and to get stronger. Marv offers rebounding and toughness and better defensive knowledge than Frank possesses at this time. Still Cody is the man in the middle and tries hard for offensive boards.

[qiantom]

Can Lin remain closing 5? I'd love for Lin to stay with the Hornets for stability and I like the team. I'll watch this team still whether Lin stays or not. I'll still contribute to this board, although maybe not as much. MKG has to be the defensive choice. Lin has a lot of attributes that makes him good for the closing 5, however, MKG is an elite defender and is 6 foot 7. It makes more sense to take Lin out of the closing 5 rather than Marv most nights when MKG gets back.

I wonder if MKG can help with the oops. That's a huge part of Lin's facilitating game that is not exploited on this team. We saw it a bit with Lamb, but then it was a few games and done. If MKG can power himself to receive Lin's alley oop tosses, then maybe that's a good tandem that we don't know about. Still, I wish the team would run more so we could see Lin's beautiful transition game.

Its not something Cliff has done much in the past, but I could definitely see us closing games with a Kemba-Lin-MKG-Batum-Zeller group when teams are playing smaller.

This is why I am not optimistic about Lin staying with the Hornets. It seems likely that he will not be the starting five or the closing five on a regular basis next season. He will probably find a bigger role somewhere else and the team will probably be better off spending the money elsewhere like upgrading the front court.

[bws94]

The problem for Lin is the money divide between starter and backup. If a team believes he can come in and be their guy, as a starter, then there's no reason to believe he CAN'T net 8 figures annually given the current cap landscape. However most backups make, well, what Lin got paid this year. So it comes down to the starter/backup distinction.

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What about Lin as Ginobili-lite 6th man? That's kind of how he's used on the Hornets now. That's how he was used in Houston in the 2nd season and how other clubs may see him as well. So maybe it isn't starter or backup because Lin isn't really either one and is really a backup in terms of literally backing up Kemba and Batum when either is out. But he's more than a 2nd unit guy, he's not that exclusively.

[bws94]

Can Lin remain closing 5? I'd love for Lin to stay with the Hornets for stability and I like the team. I'll watch this team still whether Lin stays or not. I'll still contribute to this board, although maybe not as much. MKG has to be the defensive choice. Lin has a lot of attributes that makes him good for the closing 5, however, MKG is an elite defender and is 6 foot 7. It makes more sense to take Lin out of the closing 5 rather than Marv most nights when MKG gets back.

I wonder if MKG can help with the oops. That's a huge part of Lin's facilitating game that is not exploited on this team. We saw it a bit with Lamb, but then it was a few games and done. If MKG can power himself to receive Lin's alley oop tosses, then maybe that's a good tandem that we don't know about. Still, I wish the team would run more so we could see Lin's beautiful transition game.

Its not something Cliff has done much in the past, but I could definitely see us closing games with a Kemba-Lin-MKG-Batum-Zeller group when teams are playing smaller.

This is why I am not optimistic about Lin staying with the Hornets. It seems likely that he will not be the starting five or the closing five on a regular basis next season. He will probably find a bigger role somewhere else and the team will probably be better off spending the money elsewhere like upgrading the front court.

I would think it's best for Lin to stay if he can somehow close most games as now. If not, unfortunately, that should be a deal-breaker for him in my opinion. But of course, it is his choice. I don't value starting as much as most Lin fans. In fact, the more I see of him, the more Ginobili-lite I like him. I get a lot of dislikes on Lin boards because of that.

[spaceballer]

Lin not in the top 15 in jersey sales. Come on Lin fans, buy some Hornets Lin jerseys already! Just kidding.

I think a lot of Lin fans are refraining from purchasing a Hornets Lin jersey because of the nature of the effectively 1 yr deal and uncertainty of where he's headed after this year. Just like how many Hornets fans are refraining from purchasing Batum or Lin jerseys in case both guys leave in the off season.

Besides, I believe someone asked one of the workers at the Hornets store and was told that the Lin jersey was the number one selling item there. So people in Charlotte (or those elsewhere traveling to Charlotte to see the games and their favorite players) are already buying Lin jerseys more than those from Batum or Walker or whoever.

[13th Man]

I'm not a jersey wearer but have all 4 of Lin t-shirts; Knicks, Rockets, Lakers, Hornets. Getting tired of purshasing a new t-shirt every year though lol.