Game 43: Indiana Pacers (22-19) at Phoenix Suns (13-29)

[RunDogGun]

We lost our best player, and in a bad effort to improve Markieff's trade value, we are what we are. How much coaching experience do you guys have? One year of competitive coaching? At least one year of above elementary coaching? Any coaching clinics? Anything?

[Saberestar]

We lost our best player, and in a bad effort to improve Markieff's trade value, we are what we are. How much coaching experience do you guys have? One year of competitive coaching? At least one year of above elementary coaching? Any coaching clinics? Anything?

Yeah...what I was thinking....

He is a good coach and he is making an outstanding job....give him another three years to rebuild. Everything is amazing. Life is great.

[RunDogGun]

Let's see how this benching plays out. Phil Jackson would play tons of mind games with his players, and I'm sure many think he is/was a great coach.

[RunDogGun]

We lost our best player, and in a bad effort to improve Markieff's trade value, we are what we are. How much coaching experience do you guys have? One year of competitive coaching? At least one year of above elementary coaching? Any coaching clinics? Anything?

Yeah...what I was thinking....

He is a good coach and he is making an outstanding job....give him another three years to rebuild. Everything is amazing. Life is great.

Well that answers none of my questions, and yet all of them at the same time, thanks.

[thamadkant]

Hornacek wanting to win as much as possible is a personal goal since he wants his win/loss ratio as good as possible for future jobs, he is out of contract at seasons end.
He doesnt have much excuses either.... he has Knight, Chandler, Tucker etc. Who are somewhat respected and hence he is considered under achieving.

The solution is to TRADE veterans and go young. Hornacek can atleast say the team was rebuilding.

You're making assumptions to what Hornacek is thinking. It doesn't make your argument stronger, it weakens it, for you are guessing, and then basing your argument on a what could easily be a false premise. Btw, most competitive people want to win.

We only have two players with more than five years in the league, and both of them seem to have had a good impact on our super young guys.

EVERYTHING here is almost an assumption or speculation, if we are posting actual facts from Hornacek and the GMs plans, it means we either broke in to the Suns HQ, stole the information or we work for the FO... both cases breach confidentiality policies.

You love to accuse people of assumptions to put your point in... how about you join everyone else and put up speculations that atleast entertains discussions.

[bwgood77]

Before Bledsoe got injured, Devin Booker averaged 14.1 minutes per game and 5.4 ppg. He appeared in 25 of 31 Suns games. He had 5 DNP and 1 inactive.

Yes, I was very happy he was getting that many minutes early despite his age and inexperience. Hornacek obviously saw he was ready to contribute right away. It was good he did get those minutes so he was ready to step in when Bledsoe went down and take on a bigger role.

It is too bad though that McD invested $28 million a year in two guards for the next five years when we do have a guy as good as Booker.

[RunDogGun]

Hornacek wanting to win as much as possible is a personal goal since he wants his win/loss ratio as good as possible for future jobs, he is out of contract at seasons end.
He doesnt have much excuses either.... he has Knight, Chandler, Tucker etc. Who are somewhat respected and hence he is considered under achieving.

The solution is to TRADE veterans and go young. Hornacek can atleast say the team was rebuilding.

You're making assumptions to what Hornacek is thinking. It doesn't make your argument stronger, it weakens it, for you are guessing, and then basing your argument on a what could easily be a false premise. Btw, most competitive people want to win.

We only have two players with more than five years in the league, and both of them seem to have had a good impact on our super young guys.

EVERYTHING here is almost an assumption or speculation, if we are posting actual facts from Hornacek and the GMs plans, it means we either broke in to the Suns HQ, stole the information or we work for the FO... both cases breach confidentiality policies.

You love to accuse people of assumptions to put your point in... how about you join everyone else and put up speculations that atleast entertains discussions.

I don't need assumptions. I still would like to see this team after Morris is traded. I'd like to see how this benching of Warren plays out. He seems like a good kid, and he could either go the route of Goodwin, and complain, go to social media, and question his role on the team, or he could come out like gang busters, and have his best game. But speculating to either of those extremes doesn't do us any good. We still have Jeff as a head coach, and he is playing our super young guys, except Goodwin. And many besides you, feel that Goodwin just doesn't have the goods to win (.see what I did there Frank?)

[RunDogGun]

Before Bledsoe got injured, Devin Booker averaged 14.1 minutes per game and 5.4 ppg. He appeared in 25 of 31 Suns games. He had 5 DNP and 1 inactive.

Yes, I was very happy he was getting that many minutes early despite his age and inexperience. Hornacek obviously saw he was ready to contribute right away. It was good he did get those minutes so he was ready to step in when Bledsoe went down and take on a bigger role.

It is too bad though that McD invested $28 million a year in two guards for the next five years when we do have a guy as good as Booker.

The main problem is Knight isn't a point guard, and seems to have had trouble trying to switch back and forth from the one and two spots. I think if he had split the point minutes with Bledsoe from the start, maybe the transistion back to the one wouldn't have been so rough. Our maybe Morris was a bigger cancer than we all thought.

[bwgood77]

Before Bledsoe got injured, Devin Booker averaged 14.1 minutes per game and 5.4 ppg. He appeared in 25 of 31 Suns games. He had 5 DNP and 1 inactive.

Yes, I was very happy he was getting that many minutes early despite his age and inexperience. Hornacek obviously saw he was ready to contribute right away. It was good he did get those minutes so he was ready to step in when Bledsoe went down and take on a bigger role.

It is too bad though that McD invested $28 million a year in two guards for the next five years when we do have a guy as good as Booker.

The main problem is Knight isn't a point guard, and seems to have had trouble trying to switch back and forth from the one and two spots. I think if he had split the point minutes with Bledsoe from the start, maybe the transistion back to the one wouldn't have been so rough. Our maybe Morris was a bigger cancer than we all thought.

Well regardless of playing PG or SG, his dribbling has been atrocious all year, and jacking up long 2s. When your team is either full of extremely young guys, older role players like Tucker and Telly, really over the hill Center in Chandler, a career bench guy in Leuer, and then your best two players from last year are either out or have become team cancers, you don't have a lot to work with in the first place.

Coming into this season if people would have known Bledsoe would be out and Markieff would basically be worthless but not replaced by anything similar, and then our centers alternate with injuries, I don't expect many would have thought we'd do well.

But what compounds things on top of that, is that Knight dribbles and shoots SO much compared to how much he passes and tries to get ball movement going, it takes what mostly is a subpar unit in the first place, out of the game.

Thank God for Booker.

[saintEscaton]

Posters get blocked for being too negative to the point that they are accused of engaging in trolling/baiting. But I also think that actively shutting down conversation and unquestionably upholding Horn's authority like RunDog is also detrimental to this board. The "my opinion comes from experience, yours is baseless speculation" line of rhetoric is an ad hominem

[RunDogGun]

Posters get blocked for being too negative to the point that they are accused of engaging in trolling/baiting. But I also think that actively shutting down conversation and unquestionably upholding Horn's authority like RunDog is also detrimental to this board. The "my opinion comes from experience, yours is baseless speculation" line of rhetoric is an ad hominem

When did I say anything like that? My question of coaching experience has to do with Hornacek himself, not my opinion of Hornacek. I think he has made mistakes this season, and have said so. Do I have to say it every time I talk about him, to be valid?

He is playing the super young guys. We have only two players that have been in the league more than five years, and both have been injured throughout the season. The one guy that hustles the most Tucker, gets ripped here all day long. So who is left for these young guys to learn from?

Again if you want to call me out personally, at least use words I say, not your opinion of the words I say.

[RunDogGun]

Yes, I was very happy he was getting that many minutes early despite his age and inexperience. Hornacek obviously saw he was ready to contribute right away. It was good he did get those minutes so he was ready to step in when Bledsoe went down and take on a bigger role.

It is too bad though that McD invested $28 million a year in two guards for the next five years when we do have a guy as good as Booker.

The main problem is Knight isn't a point guard, and seems to have had trouble trying to switch back and forth from the one and two spots. I think if he had split the point minutes with Bledsoe from the start, maybe the transistion back to the one wouldn't have been so rough. Our maybe Morris was a bigger cancer than we all thought.

Well regardless of playing PG or SG, his dribbling has been atrocious all year, and jacking up long 2s. When your team is either full of extremely young guys, older role players like Tucker and Telly, really over the hill Center in Chandler, a career bench guy in Leuer, and then your best two players from last year are either out or have become team cancers, you don't have a lot to work with in the first place.

Coming into this season if people would have known Bledsoe would be out and Markieff would basically be worthless but not replaced by anything similar, and then our centers alternate with injuries, I don't expect many would have thought we'd do well.

But what compounds things on top of that, is that Knight dribbles and shoots SO much compared to how much he passes and tries to get ball movement going, it takes what mostly is a subpar unit in the first place, out of the game.

Thank God for Booker.

I think with Bledsoe out, he seems to be trying to do too much. He is a streaky shooter, and when he is on, he hits all those outside shots. Again, I don't think he is a point guard. He only has a few games where he gets guys in the rhythm of a shot. He over dribbles, totally, but we also have many guys that stand around, so he has to try something.

[Kerrsed]

Did i call it or did i call it???

[bwgood77]

Spoiler:

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[Mulhollanddrive]

Only 6.5 games from 8th seed!