Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread (Part 2)

[Jamaaliver]

Since mid December Dennis has played better than Teague, that's about it. A cool month.

Look back to last season. Dennis was closing the gap even then.

March 2015 in particular. Dennis has been playing NBA ball with consistent PT for only 7 months. About half of those have been as good if not better than Teague.

March 2015
December 2015
January 2016

And he's still a baby...



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[Tfence92]

So did DMC go sign a contract with Toronto to ride the bench and play his role? Why didnt he stay here, i mean he just wanted to win right?

Bazemore would want to continue to start so in 4 years when hes 30 he can sign a 100 million dollar contract. Its absolutely hilarious you think he would sign for 5-6 times his current salary and just be like "nah bro its cool ill go back to the bench, i got my money" . Laughable.

The hawks would sign him to a 5-6 times his current contract to move him to the bench just to sign someone else to play in front of him. just laughable.

I 100%, without a doubt, think that Bazemore would be fine with whatever role he ends up with. I'm sure he will go and get the money he deserves in FA, and rightfully so.
Bazemore, however, is the type of guy that would be DNP-CD and mop the floor after the game if coach said that it would be what was best for the team.

The only thing laughable here is you not being able to give up lol.
They literally show you a quote about ginobili going to the bench and you still won't give it up... in this case no one knows what will happen, so just agree to disagree and stop digging a bigger hole.

[PandaKidd]

I cant argue rationally with irrational people. the fact youre telling me what "bazemore thinks in his heart" is also equally laughable. These guys chase EARNINGs and dollars. PERIOD. Youre only as good as your next contract. Listen to his interviews about building his brand and such. Its preposterous to think that once a guy signs his deal he would just be cool to fade into the background. If he resigns its to be the starter, PERIOD. If hawks offer him the same money but a reduced role, hell leave to go be a starter somewhere else. Its not even debatable. The ginobli comparison is funny , because he went to the bench and AVERAGED MORE MINUTES PER GAME in some seasons. Also you are talking about a different CBA, he didnt take a discount until he was like 35 years old. He also averaged like the 3-4th highest mintues on the team behind Duncan/Parker.

LOOK AT HIS CONTRACTS:
http://www.spotrac.com/nba/san-antonio-spurs/manu-ginobili/cash-earnings/
1.1
1.1
6
7
8
9
10
11
10
14

Bazemore will be looking for that 10-12 million dollar payday (or more). Baze is playing 27-28 min per game, about the same as your "bench player Ginobili". Baze will tried to get PAID, and itll be based on his startint play and minutes. If anyone thinks that the Hawks are going to sign him to that kind of paycheck , MOVE HIM TO THE BENCH , then try to find ANOTHER STARTER to put in front of him, then go apply to be an NBA GM. If you think bazemore can play 30mpg off the bench thats great, who is the starter then?

Moving on, Bucks interested in Ty lawson.....should we me calling them about Teague if they are looking for a PG?

[ATL Boy]

Bucks interested in Ty lawson.....should we me calling them about Teague if they are looking for a PG?

Absolutely! They would be the first call I would make. There's still a year and a half left on his deal, and the Bucks seem to really like Teague. I'd ask for Middleton right away.

[PandaKidd]

Bucks interested in Ty lawson.....should we me calling them about Teague if they are looking for a PG?

Absolutely! They would be the first call I would make. There's still a year and a half left on his deal, and the Bucks seem to really like Teague. I'd ask for Middleton right away.

Id call just to see WHAT they are offering, if its worth it. MIddleton would be

[Tfence92]

These guys chase EARNINGs and dollars. PERIOD. Youre only as good as your next contract.

And we're the irrational ones lol.

[Tfence92]

Bucks interested in Ty lawson.....should we me calling them about Teague if they are looking for a PG?

Absolutely! They would be the first call I would make. There's still a year and a half left on his deal, and the Bucks seem to really like Teague. I'd ask for Middleton right away.

Id call just to see WHAT they are offering, if its worth it. MIddleton would be

You really think that someone who is a starter in this league would willingly just come off the bench?????

[PandaKidd]

Absolutely! They would be the first call I would make. There's still a year and a half left on his deal, and the Bucks seem to really like Teague. I'd ask for Middleton right away.

Id call just to see WHAT they are offering, if its worth it. MIddleton would be

You really think that someone who is a starter in this league would willingly just come off the bench?????

he would be the starting SF (slide baze to the 2) or he could start in front of Korver.

Also, pretty sure we would have to give up more than Teague to get someone like Middleton (a combo guard/f the league covets). It would prob take a TON and wold be too big a move for the hawks franchise.

[PandaKidd]

These guys chase EARNINGs and dollars. PERIOD. Youre only as good as your next contract.

And we're the irrational ones lol.

guys take discounts right?

So i guess DMC is still on the team?

[Jamaaliver]

So unless they get lucky and sign or trade for some SG/SF that is out there (GO LOOK AT THE LIST OF FREE AGENTS) there isnt really any "superstars" , maybe Chandler Parsons.

The hawks are 1 piece away, but they are 5 steps away from getting that piece.

Trade I am certain everyone on both sides will hate, but what about starting with a trade centered around Teague for Gordon Hayward. That team is flush with lottery talent but can't even get to .500. Teague knows the coach and the system.

GH is 25 and entering his prime. He is shooting 42% on deep threes (25+ feet) and his contract will be considered a steal under the new CBA.

We'd need to add value with Teague approaching FA and with his contract being so tiny. Maybe include Tiago, ask for Jeff Withey in return?

We'd have our SF ready to contribute from day one.

All of them start now, and I don't think it's any issue, and won't be going into the future.

Just an observation. But POR is rebuilding with youth, looking to get lucky with a top young player to grow into stardom with Lillard.

Would MIL have any interest in a Jabari for CJ McCollum trade? Is he too much of a scorer, not enough of a playmaker?

I'm just thinking that Middleton and McCollum seem like a solid compliment at PG/SG with Giannis filling in anywhere he's needed. CJ shoots around 40% from three and is an assassin right now. Your core is ready to compete much earlier with roles more clearly defined than they are now.

Or do you guys simply value Jabari much more than a 20 ppg 5 apg combo guard?

[PandaKidd]

What about Mozgov? An interest?

[Jamaaliver]

What about Mozgov? An interest?

If we didn't already have Tiago...maybe.

plus I'm beginning to think Bud's system minimizes the impact of the Center too much to invest too much money/resources.

Seeing how Horford/Pero/Tiago have all seen drastic decreases in production in the system...and how much time Pero and Horford spent standing at the three point line to no avail, I believe scheme is somewhat responsible.

Plus I wouldn't do anything to benefit CLE right now unless we were coming out the winners in the long term.

[Tfence92]

Id call just to see WHAT they are offering, if its worth it. MIddleton would be

You really think that someone who is a starter in this league would willingly just come off the bench?????

he would be the starting SF (slide baze to the 2) or he could start in front of Korver.

Also, pretty sure we would have to give up more than Teague to get someone like Middleton (a combo guard/f the league covets). It would prob take a TON and wold be too big a move for the hawks franchise.

ATL Boy was being sarcastic... ATL doesn't have any way to get Middleton lol...

[Jamaaliver]

You all seem to think that this team will take a minor step back if Millsap or Horford is traded. That is far from reality. This team will sink hard if one of those are traded without a near equal replacing them.

Didn't we used to say the exact same thing about Josh Smith...before we let him walk and replaced him with a better, more consistent, cheaper alternative?

[Tfence92]

These guys chase EARNINGs and dollars. PERIOD. Youre only as good as your next contract.

And we're the irrational ones lol.

guys take discounts right?

So i guess DMC is still on the team?

Cause I didn't say that Bazemore is going to get what he deserves, and rightfully so.

Real easy to pick apart tiny quotes when they are from a different message eh?

Go back to talking about trading Teague for a late first, there's nothing left of this dead horse to beat.

[PandaKidd]

^^^ agreed. I think KM is completely off limits.

I would be looking at GH doe

[Jamaaliver]

^^^ agreed. I think KM is completely off limits.

I would be looking at GH doe

It's one of the few realistic trades that keeps us competitive, but opens our window for a much longer period.

Moving on,

PK, I get what you're saying. this might be one of those topics to put a pin in and revisit in a few months.

It's like that Bebe trade. I expressed frustration and concern that NO ONE was willing to echo or acknowledge...until those concerns came to fruition. Sometimes it's best to just state where you stand and when that prediction proves valid or invalid...remind the involved parties of the prevailing thought.

For three years I railed to trade Josh Smith. Took a ton of abuse for it at the time. A lot of it personal. Today, all are in agreement that it should have happened.

Just wait for the opportunity to either eat a little crow...or remind them what you saw that they didn't.

[ATL Boy]

What about Mozgov? An interest?

Not really, considering the fact that he's an expiring. Not unless Cleveland would give him to us for practically nothing.

[PandaKidd]

^^^ agreed. I think KM is completely off limits.

I would be looking at GH doe

It's one of the few realistic trades that keeps us competitive, but opens our window for a much longer period.

Moving on,

PK, I get what you're saying. this might be one of those topics to put a pin in and revisit in a few months.

It's like that Bebe trade. I expressed frustration and concern that NO ONE was willing to echo or acknowledge...until those concerns came to fruition. Sometimes it's best to just state where you stand and when that prediction proves valid or invalid...remind the involved parties of the prevailing thought.

For three years I railed to trade Josh Smith. Took a ton of abuse for it at the time. A lot of it personal. Today, all are in agreement that it should have happened.

Just wait for the opportunity to either eat a little crow...or remind them what you saw that they didn't.

i know man, i am done discussing it further. It is beating a dead horse now. Im a professional arguer, one of my flaws

The Teague/DS timeshare looks to be in full effect. If they dont trade Teague or someone by the deadline and just go all in with this group, ill be really surprised.

[ATL Boy]

^^^ agreed. I think KM is completely off limits.

I would be looking at GH doe

At this point, you're right. If we had called them about a Middleton for Teague deal at the beginning of the season, they might have accepted. But that was before Teague went back to being as indecisive and scared as US Presidents numbers 12-15 (also known as the "do nothing Presidents"). I hope we can manage to find a buyer based off the fact that Jeff is only making $8 mil through next season and because of name value/past accomplishments (all star last year, counts for something right?). Hayward would be a great target.

I must admit Jamal, was spot on in wanting to trade Teague at the beginning of the season. I was always on the Dennis Schroder for eventual starter train, but I must admit that even I was skeptical of possibly trading Teague at that time, coming off of an ECF appearance.