Trade Idea Thread 15-16

[dozencousins]

so dozencousins, whats the update for today if any?

Just 1 directly so far however it is not just the KIngs so it is hard to say if it will be us or not .

Boston Celtics Danny Ainge is going to really stir things up soon he is going to several of his picks for Big named players '

3 Big names he is going to offer picks for Cousins , Love & D.Howard . How do I know this ? He contacted us today & offered us 2 x #1 draft picks plus for Cousins . Kings as of now declined . Ainge made it clear that if we won't take his deal then he said he will soon enough offer the same deals for Love & Howard . He made it crystal clear Cousins is his the guy he wants the most .


Most notable names likely to be traded :

D.HOWARD
H.BARNES
R.GAY
R.ANDERSON
M.CONELY
K .LOVE
P.GASOL
M.MORRIS
L.STEPHENSON
K.MARTIN
C.KAMAN
C.ANDERSON
T.YOUNG
LAWSON
ARIZA
GORDON
T.EVANS
CELTICS #1 DRAFT PICKS
C.LEE
N.YOUNG
T.ALLEN
T.CHANDLER
C.FRYE
K.FARRIED
J.J. HICKSON
T. MOSGOV
D.LEE
T.GIBSON

I in no way expect all of these names to be traded . These are names that either have been offered to the Kings or what I know of to be on the block by other GM'S .
There are more than what I listed but I am not going to list more right now .

[WarriorsLakers]

so dozencousins, whats the update for today if any?

Just 1 directly so far however it is not just the KIngs so it is hard to say if it will be us or not .

Boston Celtics Danny Ainge is going to really stir things up soon he is going to several of his picks for Big named players '

3 Big names he is going to offer picks for Cousins , Love & D.Howard . How do I know this ? He contacted us today & offered us 2 x #1 draft picks plus for Cousins . Kings as of now declined . Ainge made it clear that if we won't take his deal then he said he will soon enough offer the same deals for Love & Howard . He made it crystal clear Cousins is his the guy he wants the most .


I in no way expect all of these names to be traded . These are names that either have been offered to the Kings or what I know of to be on the block by other GM'S .
There are more than what I listed but I am not going to list more right now .

thanks Dozencousins. i am just surprised Brandon bass and Lou williams are not on that list and the lakers are not trying to move them.

i hope n young and lou williams are both off the team so we get cap space. both on friendly contracts tough

[dozencousins]

so dozencousins, whats the update for today if any?

You can add those as well if you want they have been mentioned but as I mentioned I am not going to list all . I don't have that type of time to do so .

Just 1 directly so far however it is not just the KIngs so it is hard to say if it will be us or not .

Boston Celtics Danny Ainge is going to really stir things up soon he is going to several of his picks for Big named players '

3 Big names he is going to offer picks for Cousins , Love & D.Howard . How do I know this ? He contacted us today & offered us 2 x #1 draft picks plus for Cousins . Kings as of now declined . Ainge made it clear that if we won't take his deal then he said he will soon enough offer the same deals for Love & Howard . He made it crystal clear Cousins is his the guy he wants the most .


I in no way expect all of these names to be traded . These are names that either have been offered to the Kings or what I know of to be on the block by other GM'S .
There are more than what I listed but I am not going to list more right now .

thanks Dozencousins. i am just surprised Brandon bass and Lou williams are not on that list and the lakers are not trying to move them.

i hope n young and lou williams are both off the team so we get cap space. both on friendly contracts tough

[Kings2013]

Starting SG is still up in the air. The one thing I asked from Ben to start the season was to "go unnoticed", and to that end I feel he has mostly. He's still only 22 and I felt at this point in both his career and where the team is trying to be he couldn't be a noticeable detriment. The advanced metrics still don't heavily favor him, but it's still a kid who I see giving good effort on D, shooting decent percentages, and possibly forming some kind of chemistry with the starting unit. Featuring a lineup where the starting SG might be the most offensively non-utilized, having another SG demanding the ball might throw off the balance some might say. In any event, he still, as I've always said is "straddling the line" between useful and immediately needing to be replaced. By the end of the season we should have a clearer answer

[SacSanity]

If your out 4-6 weeks it does take away that exact deal & his value . He is not likely back before the deadline & even if he does come back before it won't be much before & then his health is in serious issue as his prior injuries the last couple of years & now this .

Once teams really dig in on Gordon his value will be driven down by his character and antics more than his health. There are things that happened, things that he did for a long time, that led to his "health." Whether he can stay healthy isn't the question teams will be asking, it's going to be how much has he grown up? Who is he as a person right now? His health isn't the factor here, that's been all but confirmed by multiple people in the New Orleans circles.

To be clear I am not implying the original deal with Gordon can't or won't happen . I am saying it is becoming less likely though .
Demps would need to act fast because Kings front office will move on from this soon .
Kings are 1 of just a small few whom have the right type of players & good contracts that N.O. could take were as salaries can match up .

If the deal of ANDERSON & GORDON for GAY , BELINELLI & COLLISON was to happen it better be soon by the way it was talked about at 1 point that N.O add GEE into the deal & Kings remove COLLISON but add KOUFAS in the deal .


We will see but the longer time goes by now the less likely it is Kings & N.O. get a deal done

In: Anderson and Gordon

Out: Gay, Belly, and Koufos

Doesn't seem like a good trade to me.

[danzou]

I would really like to get our pick back from Chicago? What are out chances we get our pick back in a package?
Snell/McBuckets and our 1st back for Rudy?

How about Taj/Sac 1st for WCS/Bellinelli

[dozencousins]

Once teams really dig in on Gordon his value will be driven down by his character and antics more than his health. There are things that happened, things that he did for a long time, that led to his "health." Whether he can stay healthy isn't the question teams will be asking, it's going to be how much has he grown up? Who is he as a person right now? His health isn't the factor here, that's been all but confirmed by multiple people in the New Orleans circles.

To be clear I am not implying the original deal with Gordon can't or won't happen . I am saying it is becoming less likely though .
Demps would need to act fast because Kings front office will move on from this soon .
Kings are 1 of just a small few whom have the right type of players & good contracts that N.O. could take were as salaries can match up .

If the deal of ANDERSON & GORDON for GAY , BELINELLI & COLLISON was to happen it better be soon by the way it was talked about at 1 point that N.O add GEE into the deal & Kings remove COLLISON but add KOUFAS in the deal .


We will see but the longer time goes by now the less likely it is Kings & N.O. get a deal done

In: Anderson and Gordon

Out: Gay, Belly, and Koufos

Doesn't seem like a good trade to me.

I didn't say it was a good trade or not . The version you mention I said Gee would also likely be in that deal as well .
F.Y.I. good or bad trades I have no say so in it . I am only giving info as I know it or hear it via source so don't shoot the messenger .
My gut feeling is telling me we won't do that deal anyways .

[City of Trees]

I would really like to get our pick back from Chicago? What are out chances we get our pick back in a package?
Snell/McBuckets and our 1st back for Rudy?

How about Taj/Sac 1st for WCS/Bellinelli

I would not trade WCS for Gibson/ Sac 1st... Kings are now 7-3 when Willie starts. He brings a defensive element to a team who is one of the best offensive teams in the league. Willie is younger, more athletic, makes half of what Gibson costs, and is 7ft tall.... Just doesn't make sense to move him for Gibson and our pick back .

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[dozencousins]

Update all :

After the Clippers just traded away J.Smith to the Rockets . Since then the Clippers have again contacted us about R.GAY .
I am told they are trying very hard to land Gay now . Harder than before . I don't know what combination of players it would be as of yet if a trade happened but again players on their end being talked about are REDICK, CRAWFORD , STEPHENSON & PIERCE .On our end GAY , BUTLER , ANDERSON .

I am not saying a deal will happen but I am saying it is being talked about once again & this time we are in more advanced talks .
I know one offer has been STEPHENSON & CRAWFORD for GAY , BUTLER & ANDERSON
other combinations are STEPHENSON + filler & A FUTURE 1ST ROUNDER for GAY & BUTLER or ANDERSON
REDICK & CRAWFORD for GAY & BUTLER
REDICK & PIERCE for GAY & BUTLER

Now of all players mentioned from the Clippers end I think PIERCE is the less likely to be traded .
Again nothing is for sure with the Pelicans sitting on their hands not puling the trigger on a deal this one may happen.

1 final note Boston has also as we all know want Cousins however they have stated serious desire to get Gay . It is possible we could Land a future # 1 pick plus a player for GAY .

[WarriorsLakers]

man dozencousins, is there a specific reason why u guys are trying to trade gay? i mean look at the deals u suggested from clippers. i would just keep gay at good contract then taking those guys

[Zubby]

Terrence Jones + Ariza for Gay work? seems like it is a possibility.

[dozencousins]

man dozencousins, is there a specific reason why u guys are trying to trade gay? i mean look at the deals u suggested from clippers. i would just keep gay at good contract then taking those guys

You speak as if I can control a single thing in terms of trades . I am not the GM , the owner etc.
I am only letting info as I know it to be known .
When I give the info I am not saying I want a situation to happen , agree or disagree either .

If I want a situation , agree or disagree I will clearly say those type of words & You will know that is my opinion etc.

You either want the info right or wrong in terms of you agreeing or not ?
Not everyone agrees on whats fair , whats great value etc. Many times 1 trade is a lateral move towards another move or situation so sometimes making a first move is not the end of moves and that is why you cannot always go off the bandwagon when you disagree you have to wait & see what happens next , what's the end result .

Again I like Gay but even I see him as though he can score alot of points his lack of defensive costs us about as many points as he gives us . We have enough scorers we need a SF that is either more of a defender as we have enough scorers or we need a SF that is both a solid offensive player but whom is a better defender . Same can be said overall at our SG position .

I would think you would as a fan of the NBA would want the info I can give . If you don't want it say so ? I have no problem not giving it . Most times I am not on here a lot . Lately I have so I thought you or others would like the info . I do not have time for anyone bashing me for just giving the info that I have no say so in .
If anyone wants to bash me then do so for an opinion I may have but really for giving you info as I Know it .
Information is one of the most valuable things anyone can have in life . Business wise making more $$$ , knowing what the next person will do etc. etc.
Again don't shoot the messenger my friend . If you don't like the situations say so but don't blame or ask me why we would do whatever it is we do . I have Zero power in trades , signings etc.

[City of Trees]

man dozencousins, is there a specific reason why u guys are trying to trade gay? i mean look at the deals u suggested from clippers. i would just keep gay at good contract then taking those guys

You speak as if I can control a single thing in terms of trades . I am not the GM , the owner etc.
I am only letting info as I know it to be known .
When I give the info I am not saying I want a situation to happen , agree or disagree either .

If I want a situation , agree or disagree I will clearly say those type of words & You will know that is my opinion etc.

You either want the info right or wrong in terms of you agreeing or not ?
Not everyone agrees on whats fair , whats great value etc. Many times 1 trade is a lateral move towards another move or situation so sometimes making a first move is not the end of moves and that is why you cannot always go off the bandwagon when you disagree you have to wait & see what happens next , what's the end result .

Again I like Gay but even I see him as though he can score alot of points his lack of defensive costs us about as many points as he gives us . We have enough scorers we need a SF that is either more of a defender as we have enough scorers or we need a SF that is both a solid offensive player but whom is a better defender . Same can be said overall at our SG position .

I would think you would as a fan of the NBA would want the info I can give . If you don't want it say so ? I have no problem not giving it . Most times I am not on here a lot . Lately I have so I thought you or others would like the info . I do not have time for anyone bashing me for just giving the info that I have no say so in .
If anyone wants to bash me then do so for an opinion I may have but really for giving you info as I Know it .
Information is one of the most valuable things anyone can have in life . Business wise making more $$$ , knowing what the next person will do etc. etc.
Again don't shoot the messenger my friend . If you don't like the situations say so but don't blame or ask me why we would do whatever it is we do . I have Zero power in trades , signings etc.

I took his post as he was asking if you had insight as to why the Kings may consider those players.

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[bleeds_purple]

After last night I think its rather apparent that Rudy is not much of a difference maker. The three realistic trades I'd like to see involving him are as follows (ranked in order of appeal):

To Bulls for Mirotic and Snell
To Houston for Ariza and Jones
To Clippers for Johnson and Reddick

Anything less and we should just keep him.

[City of Trees]

After last night I think its rather apparent that Rudy is not much of a difference maker. The three realistic trades I'd like to see involving him are as follows (ranked in order of appeal):

To Bulls for Mirotic and Snell
To Houston for Ariza and Jones
To Clippers for Johnson and Reddick

Anything less and we should just keep him.

Rudy typically plays a stint with the bench as our scoring option. He was clearly missed last night. All the Hawks defense had to do was focus on DC and shut him down, which they did. The bench struggled with only 17 points. No Gay means no Casspi off the bench. It changes the dynamic of the benches strength. If you're trading Gay his scoring must be replaced.

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[blind prophet]

After last night I think its rather apparent that Rudy is not much of a difference maker. The three realistic trades I'd like to see involving him are as follows (ranked in order of appeal):

To Bulls for Mirotic and Snell
To Houston for Ariza and Jones
To Clippers for Johnson and Reddick

Anything less and we should just keep him.

Rudy typically plays a stint with the bench as our scoring option. He was clearly missed last night. All the Hawks defense had to do was focus on DC and shut him down, which they did. The bench struggled with only 17 points. No Gay means no Casspi off the bench. It changes the dynamic of the benches strength. If you're trading Gay his scoring must be replaced.

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Yeah man, Gay being able to create his own shot really helps us, it was easy to see why Karl likes to keep him playing sometimes with the bench.

We don't have anyone who can self create really on the bench at all. Collison sometimes has a speed advantage which alows him to break defenses down, but take that away or be able to match it and our bench is in some trouble.

[bleeds_purple]

After last night I think its rather apparent that Rudy is not much of a difference maker. The three realistic trades I'd like to see involving him are as follows (ranked in order of appeal):

To Bulls for Mirotic and Snell
To Houston for Ariza and Jones
To Clippers for Johnson and Reddick

Anything less and we should just keep him.

Rudy typically plays a stint with the bench as our scoring option. He was clearly missed last night. All the Hawks defense had to do was focus on DC and shut him down, which they did. The bench struggled with only 17 points. No Gay means no Casspi off the bench. It changes the dynamic of the benches strength. If you're trading Gay his scoring must be replaced.

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Right. We definitely missed Rudy the most at the start of the 2nd/4th when the bench couldn't score. But take a look at the trades...

Bulls trade Mirotic is the scoring option we need off the bench and honestly down the line (think this time next year) I think he blossoms into the perfect compliment to a three-man platoon with WCS and Cousins with Kofous getting spot minutes. This is by far my favorite trade. I'm super high on Mirotic though. For example, I'd easily take him over Ryan Anderson when considering age and contract situation.

Houston trade we're starting Ariza so Casspi remains a bench player. And Jones is a better scoring option than Acy that we can try as our 10th man in that bench rotation.

With the Clippers trade the starting lineup should be Rondo/Reddick/Johnson/WCS/Cousins. Casspi is better but I like Johnson in that spot and Casspi off the bench for energy. Now suddenly we can make that bench unit that starts the 2nd/4th look like this: Collison/Reddick/Casspi/Acy/Koufos (achieved by sitting Reddick a little earlier than normal). With Reddick running off screens instead of Belinelli that problem is likely corrected.

[pillwenney]

There is some real over exaggeration as to Gays "terrible" play this year. Yeah, he's been a little out of position at times for sure, but he's right up around his career numbers and has been putting up stats close to his career highs of last year lately.

One of the biggest mistakes the Kings might just make is sending him off thinking it will make the team better via addition by subtraction. If they do, they must get better by quite a bit in another area of the game if they aren't bringing back a better fit number 2 option. Even if they do it's probably a lateral move. A shooting PF makes sense, a crop of defenders/shooters on the wing is a good fit, but who? Anderson is someone I'd like to see the Kings target, but if the Pelicans turned down Gay for him straight across then I question their ability to judge talent and situation as well as the Kings if they were willing to do it themselves.

I come here for the first time in forever, and I'm...agreeing with SacKingZZZ?

Something must be wrong. I think RealGM is malfunctioning.

[nolafan33]

The Pels are discussing sending Ryan elsewhere would they would receive a package of players that would help their defense, I think.

[City of Trees]

The Pels are discussing sending Ryan elsewhere would they would receive a package of players that would help their defense, I think.

All so he can sign with Sac in the offseason

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