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Re: Can we wait until end of next season to acquire a legit PG? 

Post#61 » by Fat Kat » Sat Jan 23, 2016 5:26 pm

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Fat Kat wrote:Start Galloway. That should've been done weeks ago. Bring in a few 10 days for evaluation to see if they can give us backup minutes. Whatever we do, the Jose Calderon era needs ro be over. If we do those things, we give ourselves a fighting chance.


I completely understand that sentiment, but I think the reason that doesn't happen is because Fish/Phil don't want to slow down the second unit, which is faster group, with Jose. I think Jose just fits in better with the starters. Plus, the way the rotation is working now, LG gets to finish games, which I like.

I would support LG getting more playing time over Jose tho - depending on the match up and how the game is flowing.


Gotcha. Problem with that is, teams gameplan specifially to exploit Jose, which isn't hard to do. That not only leaves the team in a hole early, it also helps the opposition's momentum.

Starting Calderon over Galloway is like spending more on your life vest than on your boat. When the crappy boat sinks, at least you'll have brand new shiny life vest.
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Re: Can we wait until end of next season to acquire a legit PG? 

Post#62 » by NBA Fan 1234 » Sat Jan 23, 2016 5:30 pm

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Newyorknick94 wrote:no hes trash plus he's undersized we need like a Darren Collison,DJ Augustin, or maybe Devin Harris.

so you called 1 player trash just to name other trash players all of which are shorter the deli

Deli is an overrated version of galloway he's only good because he plays with lebron idk why you guys love him so much. He wouldn't solve anything for us. He's reckless and he would be terrible in our offense.

Overrated slightly? Yeah, but he's a great defender and his skill set would actually be good for the PG in the triangle - can hit threes at a high clip an doesn't turn the ball over.
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Re: Can we wait until end of next season to acquire a legit PG? 

Post#63 » by mrtease » Sat Jan 23, 2016 5:33 pm

If the Twolves were looking to shed his contract, would you trade Calderon and scraps for Ricky Rubio?- takes us out of the running for a major FA in the offseason (Like Batum) and he can't really shoot, but he can defend okay and is a very good passer
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Re: Can we wait until end of next season to acquire a legit PG? 

Post#64 » by NBA Fan 1234 » Sat Jan 23, 2016 5:34 pm

mrtease wrote:If the Twolves were looking to shed his contract, would you trade Calderon and scraps for Ricky Rubio?- takes us out of the running for a major FA in the offseason (Like Batum) and he can't really shoot, but he can defend okay and is a very good passer


Nope, not unless we abandon the triangle. He's an elite passer and an elite defender, but his shooting is among the league's worst for all positions.
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Re: Can we wait until end of next season to acquire a legit PG? 

Post#65 » by el13adnino » Sat Jan 23, 2016 5:38 pm

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Newyorknick94 wrote:no hes trash plus he's undersized we need like a Darren Collison,DJ Augustin, or maybe Devin Harris.

so you called 1 player trash just to name other trash players all of which are shorter the deli

Deli is an overrated version of galloway he's only good because he plays with lebron idk why you guys love him so much. He wouldn't solve anything for us. He's reckless and he would be terrible in our offense.

darren dj and devin would thrive in our offense right?
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Re: Can we wait until end of next season to acquire a legit PG? 

Post#66 » by Capn'O » Sat Jan 23, 2016 6:23 pm

Newyorknick94 wrote:no hes trash plus he's undersized we need like a Darren Collison,DJ Augustin, or maybe Devin Harris.


That's a good list of realistic targets, though Harris is a bit long in the tooth for my liking. Collison is my preferred target. Another great triangle PG is George Hill but he'll be tough to poach from Indy because they don't really have guys to step in for him.
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Re: Can we wait until end of next season to acquire a legit PG? 

Post#67 » by blanko » Sat Jan 23, 2016 6:50 pm

I think it all depends on grant and how he develops this season


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Re: Can we wait until end of next season to acquire a legit PG? 

Post#68 » by HarthorneWingo » Sat Jan 23, 2016 7:11 pm

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Fat Kat wrote:Start Galloway. That should've been done weeks ago. Bring in a few 10 days for evaluation to see if they can give us backup minutes. Whatever we do, the Jose Calderon era needs ro be over. If we do those things, we give ourselves a fighting chance.


I completely understand that sentiment, but I think the reason that doesn't happen is because Fish/Phil don't want to slow down the second unit, which is faster group, with Jose. I think Jose just fits in better with the starters. Plus, the way the rotation is working now, LG gets to finish games, which I like.

I would support LG getting more playing time over Jose tho - depending on the match up and how the game is flowing.


Gotcha. Problem with that is, teams gameplan specifially to exploit Jose, which isn't hard to do. That not only leaves the team in a hole early, it also helps the opposition's momentum.

Starting Calderon over Galloway is like spending more on your life vest than on your boat. When the crappy boat sinks, at least you'll have brand new shiny life vest.


But if you look at Jose's RPM ranking this year, it's not THAT bad. Look at all the guards who fall below him. Many of whom people here have wanted us to replace Jose with.

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/RPM/position/1
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Post#69 » by Coeur » Sat Jan 23, 2016 7:29 pm

Big trade for: McCollum, Lavine, Fournier, or Avery Bradley

Small trade for: Jared Cunningham

Pick up for free: Wroten and jimmer

Ideal backcourt for next season

Lavine or cj or ab/Wroten/grant of 2nd
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Re: Can we wait until end of next season to acquire a legit PG? 

Post#70 » by Fat Kat » Sat Jan 23, 2016 7:43 pm

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I completely understand that sentiment, but I think the reason that doesn't happen is because Fish/Phil don't want to slow down the second unit, which is faster group, with Jose. I think Jose just fits in better with the starters. Plus, the way the rotation is working now, LG gets to finish games, which I like.

I would support LG getting more playing time over Jose tho - depending on the match up and how the game is flowing.


Gotcha. Problem with that is, teams gameplan specifially to exploit Jose, which isn't hard to do. That not only leaves the team in a hole early, it also helps the opposition's momentum.

Starting Calderon over Galloway is like spending more on your life vest than on your boat. When the crappy boat sinks, at least you'll have brand new shiny life vest.


But if you look at Jose's RPM ranking this year, it's not THAT bad. Look at all the guards who fall below him. Many of whom people here have wanted us to replace Jose with.

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/RPM/position/1


Never paid much attention to this stat. I'll take a look at it.
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Re: Can we wait until end of next season to acquire a legit PG? 

Post#71 » by hundreth » Sat Jan 23, 2016 7:52 pm

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Gotcha. Problem with that is, teams gameplan specifially to exploit Jose, which isn't hard to do. That not only leaves the team in a hole early, it also helps the opposition's momentum.

Starting Calderon over Galloway is like spending more on your life vest than on your boat. When the crappy boat sinks, at least you'll have brand new shiny life vest.


But if you look at Jose's RPM ranking this year, it's not THAT bad. Look at all the guards who fall below him. Many of whom people here have wanted us to replace Jose with.

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/RPM/position/1


Never paid much attention to this stat. I'll take a look at it.



Really interesting stat, but I would take it with a grain of salt. Look at Calderon's DRPM. His offense is fine, but his defense is terrible. In this league, defense at the PG position means a lot. He's our first line of defense, and he's getting burned every time. It makes it way too easy to attack us.

If you replaced Calderon with a guard that is a plus on defense even with a diminished offensive value - it would help us a lot. That said, I don't see Phil making the change any time soon. I hope Fisher makes adjustments based on who we're playing against to hide Calderon's deficiencies. Calderon should never be guarding anyone like CP3. We should throw Galloway at quick guards and hide Calderon on SGs like Reddick.
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Re: Can we wait until end of next season to acquire a legit PG? 

Post#72 » by Fat Kat » Sat Jan 23, 2016 8:07 pm

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But if you look at Jose's RPM ranking this year, it's not THAT bad. Look at all the guards who fall below him. Many of whom people here have wanted us to replace Jose with.

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/RPM/position/1


Never paid much attention to this stat. I'll take a look at it.



Really interesting stat, but I would take it with a grain of salt. Look at Calderon's DRPM. His offense is fine, but his defense is terrible. In this league, defense at the PG position means a lot. He's our first line of defense, and he's getting burned every time. It makes it way too easy to attack us.

If you replaced Calderon with a guard that is a plus on defense even with a diminished offensive value - it would help us a lot. That said, I don't see Phil making the change any time soon. I hope Fisher makes adjustments based on who we're playing against to hide Calderon's deficiencies. Calderon should never be guarding anyone like CP3. We should throw Galloway at quick guards and hide Calderon on SGs like Reddick.


I also see that it takes past seasons into account which is a little weird. I honestly can't see how someone that watches these games isn't disgusted by Jose's play.
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Re: Can we wait until end of next season to acquire a legit PG? 

Post#73 » by cibili » Sat Jan 23, 2016 8:34 pm

I really like our team except for jose, and since other than KP they are around 30 I really like to see some immediate upgrade to see what we can really do. I really want to believe that the reason jose playing all those minutes is we're trying to boast his value otherwise I don't see one upside in not starting Gallo and giving Grant more minutes.

As much as I consider it a long shot I want Conley somehow.
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Re: Can we wait until end of next season to acquire a legit PG? 

Post#74 » by NoLayupRule » Sat Jan 23, 2016 8:43 pm

delvec19 wrote:http://hoopshype.com/2015/12/30/nba-free-agency-2017-point-guards/

Quite a nice list there and coincides with Calderon's contract expiring.

i don't want to wait this long but we may go into next summer the way we did last summer and just add solid complimentary players

if we have the flexibility to land Paul or westbrook in 2017 that would be incredible!
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Post#75 » by Newyorknick94 » Sat Jan 23, 2016 9:34 pm

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el13adnino wrote:so you called 1 player trash just to name other trash players all of which are shorter the deli

Deli is an overrated version of galloway he's only good because he plays with lebron idk why you guys love him so much. He wouldn't solve anything for us. He's reckless and he would be terrible in our offense.

darren dj and devin would thrive in our offense right?

Idk about thrive steph curry,Damian Millard,cp3 would thrive but they aren't realistic but I think the 3 I named would play better on this team than deli I'm not saying they'd be perfect fits but out of what might be available id rather have those 3 all have a higher efficiency rating and they'd all be an upgrade over any pg we have atm.
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Post#76 » by Newyorknick94 » Sat Jan 23, 2016 9:41 pm

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Newyorknick94 wrote:no hes trash plus he's undersized we need like a Darren Collison,DJ Augustin, or maybe Devin Harris.


That's a good list of realistic targets, though Harris is a bit long in the tooth for my liking. Collison is my preferred target. Another great triangle PG is George Hill but he'll be tough to poach from Indy because they don't really have guys to step in for him.

Out of the 3 Collison would be the best George Hill would be really nice although I think he might have fallen off a little bit his game reminds me of Conely.
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Newyorknick94 wrote:no hes trash plus he's undersized we need like a Darren Collison,DJ Augustin, or maybe Devin Harris.


That's a good list of realistic targets, though Harris is a bit long in the tooth for my liking. Collison is my preferred target. Another great triangle PG is George Hill but he'll be tough to poach from Indy because they don't really have guys to step in for him.

Out of the 3 Collison would be the best George Hill would be really nice although I think he might have fallen off a little bit his game reminds me of Conely.


I have him on my fantasy team. He's had nagging injuries this year. When he's been healthy, he's played well. Indy's just much deeper this year with George back, etc. etc. so he's not scoring as much. He's not as good of a PG as Conley but has the defense/3s/IQ/driving ability needed.
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Post#78 » by NoLayupRule » Sat Jan 23, 2016 10:15 pm

we need to continue to grow and improve

part of that will be upgrading the backcourt

AA has been solid but we need more

if we can get a legit player sooner than 2017 we should
but if we continue to grow and improve and that big addition in 2017 comes, well won't that be nice!
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Post#79 » by Scalabrine » Sat Jan 23, 2016 10:20 pm

George Hill would be the perfect point guard.

Dont think he is leaving Indy though.
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Post#80 » by AllanH20 » Sat Jan 23, 2016 10:22 pm

Scalabrine wrote:George Hill would be the perfect point guard.

Dont think he is leaving Indy though.


Na, we have to rule him out because of the hair. Simply can't have that on the team.
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