Official Trade Thread - Part XXX

[TheSecretWeapon]

Josh Smith is definitely versatile. Poor shooting from the floor, horrific shot selection, lousy free throw shooting, excessive turnovers, AND rampant fouling. It's a rare player who can hurt his team in so many ways.

[AFM]

Not that rare. How long have you been following this team?

[TheSecretWeapon]

Not that rare. How long have you been following this team?

It's the combination that's rare. Smith can hurt his team in so many ways. Most guys limit themselves to a few of these. Think Seraphin, who kept it mostly to turnovers and fouling. Not Smith, though. He'll add in turnovers, foul shooting, shooting from the floor, insubordination -- whatever it takes.

[popper]

Not that rare. How long have you been following this team?

It's the combination that's rare. Smith can hurt his team in so many ways. Most guys limit themselves to a few of these. Think Seraphin, who kept it mostly to turnovers and fouling. Not Smith, though. He'll add in turnovers, foul shooting, shooting from the floor, insubordination -- whatever it takes.

Clearly, one of the most versatile players in the league.

[deneem4]

Not that rare. How long have you been following this team?

It's the combination that's rare. Smith can hurt his team in so many ways. Most guys limit themselves to a few of these. Think Seraphin, who kept it mostly to turnovers and fouling. Not Smith, though. He'll add in turnovers, foul shooting, shooting from the floor, insubordination -- whatever it takes.

Clearly, one of the most versatile players in the league.

We have a point guard to control the offense,
Your talking like smith would run the offense, he would simply be a role guy....
if all else fails he makes pretty much the he same money as Blair, we can cut him easy, but having him come off the bench or even start in small ball lineup can be helpful....
I see his minimal impact as drew gooden, a bit dumber but more athletic and Drew gooden makes us a wayyy better team when he plays well

[nate33]

We have a point guard to control the offense

So did the Clippers. Does the name Chris Paul ring a bell?

Your talking like smith would run the offense, he would simply be a role guy....
if all else fails he makes pretty much the he same money as Blair, we can cut him easy, but having him come off the bench or even start in small ball lineup can be helpful....
I see his minimal impact as drew gooden, a bit dumber but more athletic and Drew gooden makes us a wayyy better team when he plays well

"When he plays well" is the key phrase. The problem is that Josh Smith usually does not play well. He usually jacks up way too many ill-advised shots. He shoots a whopping 4.6 3-pointers per 36 minutes (that's one less than Bradley Beal). Unfortunately, he shoots them at a 29% clip. He shoots just 37% overall. He also turns the ball over at a rate higher than anyone on our team except Wall (only Smith is averaging just 3.6 assists per 36, not 9.7).

He is literally the third worst offensive player in the game in terms of his deleterious effect. Of all players with a USG% above 22, Smith has the 3rd worst ORtg, behind only the 19-year old Emmanuel Mudiay and a whining Markieff Morris.

http://bkref.com/tiny/qAR63

And this isn't a short term issue. He has been like this for 3 years, except he was somewhat better in Houston when playing alongside his friend Howard, on a team with championship aspirations, and a deep enough bench to sit Smith when he was misbehaving.

[deneem4]

We have a point guard to control the offense

So did the Clippers. Does the name Chris Paul ring a bell?

Your talking like smith would run the offense, he would simply be a role guy....
if all else fails he makes pretty much the he same money as Blair, we can cut him easy, but having him come off the bench or even start in small ball lineup can be helpful....
I see his minimal impact as drew gooden, a bit dumber but more athletic and Drew gooden makes us a wayyy better team when he plays well

"When he plays well" is the key phrase. The problem is that Josh Smith usually does not play well. He usually jacks up way too many ill-advised shots. He shoots a whopping 4.6 3-pointers per 36 minutes (that's one less than Bradley Beal). Unfortunately, he shoots them at a 29% clip. He shoots just 37% overall. He also turns the ball over at a rate higher than anyone on our team except Wall (only Smith is averaging just 3.6 assists per 36, not 9.7).

He is literally the third worst offensive player in the game in terms of his deleterious effect. Of all players with a USG% above 22, Smith has the 3rd worst ORtg, behind only the 19-year old Emmanuel Mudiay and a whining Markieff Morris.

http://bkref.com/tiny/qAR63

And this isn't a short term issue. He has been like this for 3 years, except he was somewhat better in Houston when playing alongside his friend Howard, on a team with championship aspirations, and a deep enough bench to sit Smith when he was misbehaving.

He was bad after that old Hawks squad very true but he was also a player haven't played with a real point guard since then
Doc and Paul didnt really want smith, it was another calculated move by a dirty organization to sign him...it was revenge to growing rocket team finding their Rythym look at the rockets without smith now...
Smith played well with them guys last year because of good ball rotation, he haven't seen that since joe Johnson Cleveland days....

We play at one of the fastest paces, were also very good in transition, 2 things smith will excel in...
The rockets are the same but they're a pure Iso team with harden in...we're not....
And yes he's in love with the 3 ball, but honestly there is something about playing for the wizards that makes you s better 3pt shooter, maybe it's wall knowledge of how to hit guys in there spots...

Like I said I will take him just because we don't have an athletic big on our roster...offensive nor defensive...and when playoffs come mathups like that will be exploited...most importantly on the defensive end

[TheSecretWeapon]

Wow, Chris Paul not a real point guard.

I did not know that.

[AFM]

He a point GOD

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

He a point GOD

He's a point Proffit.

[nate33]

A BulletsForever thread just proposed the following trade:

Rights to Satoransky for Terrence Jones

It makes a lot of sense for Houston. They are over the luxtax and have a glut of power forwards, particularly after acquiring Smith. We can absorb Jones' salary with Webster's injured player exception. Houston will need a PG in the future after they jettison Ty Lawson so Sato seems like a good fit.

For us, Jones is a respectable, young stretch four who has the length and athleticism to complement our switching defensive style. But more importantly, Jones' cap hold next year is just $5.7M, which means we could retain his Bird Rights while still having cap room for KD2DC. I think obtaining a credible stretch four is critical to our KD2DC plans because Durant is not going to want to join a team that has him slotted to play PF for 36 minutes a night.

After signing Durant, we'd have maybe $2-4M leftover to retain Sessions, and then the Room Minimum to retain Temple. We draft a backup center and roll with the following lineup next year:

PG Wall/Sessions
SG Beal/Temple/Oubre
SF Durant/Porter/Oubre
PF Jones/Porter
C Gortat/1st round pick

We're a little thin at backup big, but we could probably find a few aging, ring-chasing vets to come play with us. Gooden will surely stick around. We could also choose to let Temple walk and instead spend that money on a slightly better backup big.

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

A BulletsForever thread just proposed the following trade:

Rights to Satoransky for Terrence Jones

It makes a lot of sense for Houston. They are over the luxtax and have a glut of power forwards, particularly after acquiring Smith. We can absorb Jones' salary with Webster's injured player exception. Houston will need a PG in the future after they jettison Ty Lawson so Sato seems like a good fit.

For us, Jones is a respectable, young stretch four who has the length and athleticism to complement our switching defensive style. But more importantly, Jones' cap hold next year is just $5.7M, which means we could retain his Bird Rights while still having cap room for KD2DC. I think obtaining a credible stretch four is critical to our KD2DC plans because Durant is not going to want to join a team that has him slotted to play PF for 36 minutes a night.

After signing Durant, we'd have maybe $2-4M leftover to retain Sessions, and then the Room Minimum to retain Temple. We draft a backup center and roll with the following lineup next year:

PG Wall/Sessions
SG Beal/Temple/Oubre
SF Durant/Porter/Oubre
PF Jones/Porter
C Gortat/1st round pick

We're a little thin at backup big, but we could probably find a few aging, ring-chasing vets to come play with us. Gooden will surely stick around. We could also choose to let Temple walk and instead spend that money on a slightly better backup big.

Man. I like this plan a lot.

If Diamond Stone slots about where he is expected, he could be there when the Wiz pick.

Wall/Sess
Beal/Oubre/Temple
Durant/Porter
Jones/Porter/Gooden
Gortat/Stone

Nice balance, nice mix of young, old and in their prime.

May need another scorer with the second team, but that's easy to find.

That team would be fast, versatile and athletic.

[nuposse04]

A BulletsForever thread just proposed the following trade:

Rights to Satoransky for Terrence Jones

It makes a lot of sense for Houston. They are over the luxtax and have a glut of power forwards, particularly after acquiring Smith. We can absorb Jones' salary with Webster's injured player exception. Houston will need a PG in the future after they jettison Ty Lawson so Sato seems like a good fit.

For us, Jones is a respectable, young stretch four who has the length and athleticism to complement our switching defensive style. But more importantly, Jones' cap hold next year is just $5.7M, which means we could retain his Bird Rights while still having cap room for KD2DC. I think obtaining a credible stretch four is critical to our KD2DC plans because Durant is not going to want to join a team that has him slotted to play PF for 36 minutes a night.

After signing Durant, we'd have maybe $2-4M leftover to retain Sessions, and then the Room Minimum to retain Temple. We draft a backup center and roll with the following lineup next year:

PG Wall/Sessions
SG Beal/Temple/Oubre
SF Durant/Porter/Oubre
PF Jones/Porter
C Gortat/1st round pick

We're a little thin at backup big, but we could probably find a few aging, ring-chasing vets to come play with us. Gooden will surely stick around. We could also choose to let Temple walk and instead spend that money on a slightly better backup big.

Read this as well. I think I'd probably do it. I'm going to assume however, that Durant doesn't come. But with the ability to retain Beal and Jones next season a lineup of

Wall
Beal
Porter
Jones
Gortat

should be fairly offensively competent. Jones does have a bit of an injury history, so our 2-4 positions will have money tied up in players with questionable season long contributions: Beal (leg), Porter (hip), Jones (multiple stuff IIRC). I'm not sure either what Jones would command as a salary. Hopefully not TT money. Maybe something more like Aminu money. I mean hell if Derrick Favors gets 11 mil a year, no reason any big should get more then him.

Sessions/Oubre/Center (1st rounder)+temple+ random vet 4 (hump?) should be a decent bench. I wonder what Nene's plans are off this season. If he could play 15-20 mins of backup center next season on a reasonable salary it would be helpful, plus can't imagine a better big to teach defense to a first round big man prospect (although didn't help much with Seraphin >.> )

[WashWiz54]

With us not having a chance to realistically win anything this year and it being unlikely we resign him, should we put Dudley on the block? I could see us getting a late pick from a contender or a decent level prospect for him.

[lastemp3ror]

A BulletsForever thread just proposed the following trade:

Rights to Satoransky for Terrence Jones

It makes a lot of sense for Houston. They are over the luxtax and have a glut of power forwards, particularly after acquiring Smith. We can absorb Jones' salary with Webster's injured player exception. Houston will need a PG in the future after they jettison Ty Lawson so Sato seems like a good fit.

For us, Jones is a respectable, young stretch four who has the length and athleticism to complement our switching defensive style. But more importantly, Jones' cap hold next year is just $5.7M, which means we could retain his Bird Rights while still having cap room for KD2DC. I think obtaining a credible stretch four is critical to our KD2DC plans because Durant is not going to want to join a team that has him slotted to play PF for 36 minutes a night.

After signing Durant, we'd have maybe $2-4M leftover to retain Sessions, and then the Room Minimum to retain Temple. We draft a backup center and roll with the following lineup next year:

PG Wall/Sessions
SG Beal/Temple/Oubre
SF Durant/Porter/Oubre
PF Jones/Porter
C Gortat/1st round pick

We're a little thin at backup big, but we could probably find a few aging, ring-chasing vets to come play with us. Gooden will surely stick around. We could also choose to let Temple walk and instead spend that money on a slightly better backup big.

I like all of that. However if we have a choice between getting a solid backup Center or Temple, I would take the center. Although Temple is playing very well right now, he will be less needed next year with Oubre developing. I don't see how the coach could allow Oubre to become a 3rd string SG and SF in your scenario above.

I also don't like the idea of a 1st round pick that may be a bust backing up an aging center that could go down.

[pcbothwel]

Sorry, but I think too highly of Satoransky to give him up for Jones. A contending team needs 6th-8th man who can start throughout the season here and there, has positional versatility, and makes less than his market rate/value. Sato on a 2/8 or 3/12 contract does that.

Jones on the other hand has declined year over year the last three seasons in: points and rebounds(Per game, per36, and per 100 possessions), eFg, PER, TS, WS/48, etc. He is also turning it over more.

I liked Jones and wanted to keep an eye on him this season as if he made a nice leap, then you could plug him in at the stretch 4 spot and use his low cap hold in the offseason to add more talent, but Im not seeing his value right now as an expiring. I really like his improvement from 3, but besides his size and age, he is not better than Jared Dudley in much of anything.

With us not having a chance to realistically win anything this year and it being unlikely we resign him, should we put Dudley on the block? I could see us getting a late pick from a contender or a decent level prospect for him.

I understand if we dont make much noise from the 7th seed, but falling out of the playoffs this year would hurt a brand that already has a tough enough time with our crap GM and population of people from other cities. The return of Beal, Nene, and Anderson along with the productive play of Sessions and Dudley could make for a strong 2nd half.
I would then still look to bring Dudley back next year to make a run if the KD2DC (or Horford to DC ) happens

[gambitx777]

I don't see how we don't have a chance to win anything. this team is not terrible and a few tweeks here and there could go a long way! everyone in the east is beatable. Not one team in the east is invincible. The east is still wide open.

[Hidden Eye]

Thaddeus Young would be good for a "S4" not sure what the wizards would have to give to get him. He would be a perfect and best fit for the pace and style of the team. Weakness is 3 point shooting however he never has played for a really good time like this.

Markieff Morris is a good look too but his attitude problem can be a concern. Don't need another knucklehead, Wizards had enough of that for the past 10 years.

[deneem4]

Wow, Chris Paul not a real point guard.

I did not know that.

I didn't mean it Like he Chris pail wasn't a point guard....Chris Paul never wanted to play with josh smith...
They got him to disrupt the rockets after being up 3-1 and losing
Look at the rockets now

[queridiculo]

Thaddeus Young would be good for a "S4" not sure what the wizards would have to give to get him. He would be a perfect and best fit for the pace and style of the team. Weakness is 3 point shooting however he never has played for a really good time like this.

Markieff Morris is a good look too but his attitude problem can be a concern. Don't need another knucklehead, Wizards had enough of that for the past 10 years.

I've always liked Thad Young but more so for his defense and rebounding than his offense, can't really count on him to shoot with any consistency.