Trade Idea Thread 15-16

[Kings2013]

The Pels are discussing sending Ryan elsewhere would they would receive a package of players that would help their defense, I think.

All so he can sign with Sac in the offseason

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Who would start start at PF if that happened?

[City of Trees]

The Pels are discussing sending Ryan elsewhere would they would receive a package of players that would help their defense, I think.

All so he can sign with Sac in the offseason

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Who would start start at PF if that happened?

Willie needs to start...... Hey don't kill my vibe

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[City of Trees]

There is some real over exaggeration as to Gays "terrible" play this year. Yeah, he's been a little out of position at times for sure, but he's right up around his career numbers and has been putting up stats close to his career highs of last year lately.

One of the biggest mistakes the Kings might just make is sending him off thinking it will make the team better via addition by subtraction. If they do, they must get better by quite a bit in another area of the game if they aren't bringing back a better fit number 2 option. Even if they do it's probably a lateral move. A shooting PF makes sense, a crop of defenders/shooters on the wing is a good fit, but who? Anderson is someone I'd like to see the Kings target, but if the Pelicans turned down Gay for him straight across then I question their ability to judge talent and situation as well as the Kings if they were willing to do it themselves.

I come here for the first time in forever, and I'm...agreeing with SacKingZZZ?

Something must be wrong. I think RealGM is malfunctioning.

Stranger danger

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[Andrew McCeltic]

No offense, but Gay for Lance/Crawford is a HORRIBLE HORRIBLE trade.

Loving the idea of Cousins to Boston, assuming it's for the 2 unprotected Brooklyn picks ('16 and '18), but maybe just for one of them.. Lee/Sullinger/DAL '16/BKN '18 sounds great to me as a Boston fan.. But asset value during negotiations is very amorphous..

[nolafan33]

Pelicans have a deal on the table that they like but don't love for Anderson, they are waiting to see if something they love comes along but if it does not, then they will take the deal that will bring back two guys for Anderson. I've heard they have talked to Sacramento but moving Anderson for Gay is not their preferred deal.

[City of Trees]

Pelicans have a deal on the table that they like but don't love for Anderson, they are waiting to see if something they love comes along but if it does not, then they will take the deal that will bring back two guys for Anderson. I've heard they have talked to Sacramento but moving Anderson for Gay is not their preferred deal.

What's the deal on the table? Details?


Edit: N.O. board isn't very active? Just ventured over, no trade thread?
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[PetrieUnderstudy]

Let's keep Rudy! We can sign Anderson as a free agent this offseason.

The bigger issue is shooting guard. McLemore while his aggressiveness has been better he just still isn't getting it done. Belinelli has become the most frustrating player on the team.

I believe one simple trade could make the Kings really good for the remainder of the season.

Trade Ben McLemore and Marco Belinelli to Memphis for Courtney Lee and Sac Town's finest Matt Barnes.

Lee and Barnes are free agents this offseason so Memphis may lose them anyway. They take a flier on Ben and Marco will be an improved player with the Grizzlies structure.

Lee and Barnes are known as good defenders and bring an edge, toughness that can push Kings to another level. For example last night against Pacers Lee would have been on Ellis and Barnes would have been on George.

The salaries for this year are almost identical $9,217,206 vs. $9,207,500 and their minutes are very similar so we'd just substitute Ben's minutes with Lee and Marco's with Barnes.

PG Rajon Rondo/Darren Collison/Seth Curry
SG Courtney Lee/Matt Barnes/James Anderson
SF Rudy Gay/Omri Casspi/Caron Butler
PF Willie Cauley-Stein/Quincy Acy
C DeMarcus Cousins/Kosta Koufos

Make it happen Vlade! I'll go bold and predict if it were to happen we could end up with 5th seed! How intense would be a Clippers/Kings 1st round series be? I think we'd have a good chance to upset them too. Thinking forward, I'd much rather have Lee and Barnes covering the likes of Redick and Crawford.

[dozencousins]

New Update :

In regards to R.Gay possibly being traded . I am told though the Kings organization loves R.Gay as a player , as a person etc. they are seeing him as more expendable . He holds the greatest value of any player of whom we are considering trading so though we are still talking deals with other teams such as N.O. for Anderson we are now leaning towards a different direction .

We are now leaning towards acquiring a 1st round pick + a cheaper contract expiring or a 1 more year on their deal still player must still be solid & not a scrub .

The Bulls are an option such as Gibson & our # 1 pick we owe them for Gay in a deal ( not saying that would be an exact deal .
I know this type of trade is & has been talked about with the Bulls .

Also Gay to Boston for a # 1 pick + amir johnson whom has a team option for next season or D.Lee expiring + E.Turner + a #1 pick in a deal for Gay & Marco

1 more : Gay to the Clippers in a deal for Stephenson + a #1 pick ( Stephenson has a team option next season )

Other teams interested in Gay : PELICANS , HEAT , ROCKETS, GRIZZ , WIZARDS , BUCKS , SUNS , LAKERS , MAGIC , DENVER & 76ERS
All these teams are aside from ones mentioned above BULLS , CELTICS & CLIPPERS

GAY is one of the few hottest players on the trading block out their . Kings will wait until he is fully healed to trade him if they do so . Had he not had the heel issue he would likely have been dealt already .

[Phase 3]

so dozencousins, whats the update for today if any?

Just 1 directly so far however it is not just the KIngs so it is hard to say if it will be us or not .

Boston Celtics Danny Ainge is going to really stir things up soon he is going to several of his picks for Big named players '

3 Big names he is going to offer picks for Cousins , Love & D.Howard . How do I know this ? He contacted us today & offered us 2 x #1 draft picks plus for Cousins . Kings as of now declined . Ainge made it clear that if we won't take his deal then he said he will soon enough offer the same deals for Love & Howard . He made it crystal clear Cousins is his the guy he wants the most .


Most notable names likely to be traded :

D.HOWARD
H.BARNES
R.GAY
R.ANDERSON
M.CONELY
K .LOVE
P.GASOL
M.MORRIS
L.STEPHENSON
K.MARTIN
C.KAMAN
C.ANDERSON
T.YOUNG
LAWSON
ARIZA
GORDON
T.EVANS
CELTICS #1 DRAFT PICKS
C.LEE
N.YOUNG
T.ALLEN
T.CHANDLER
C.FRYE
K.FARRIED
J.J. HICKSON
T. MOSGOV
D.LEE
T.GIBSON

I in no way expect all of these names to be traded . These are names that either have been offered to the Kings or what I know of to be on the block by other GM'S .
There are more than what I listed but I am not going to list more right now .

You have Harrison Barnes on this list. Has he been offered to the Kings or is he just on the block? Any info you have would be appreciated. Thanks.

[nolafan33]

Pelicans have a deal on the table that they like but don't love for Anderson, they are waiting to see if something they love comes along but if it does not, then they will take the deal that will bring back two guys for Anderson. I've heard they have talked to Sacramento but moving Anderson for Gay is not their preferred deal.

What's the deal on the table? Details?


Edit: N.O. board isn't very active? Just ventured over, no trade thread?
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I really don't want to share too much out of respect for the man who shared his sources, but I will say this, it's another Western Conference team who would be sending a young versatile forward and a veteran who has lots of experience but isn't THAT old. People in the Pelicans organization are familiar with both.

[pillwenney]

Has anyone brought up Cleveland yet?

They're looking to upgrade at center, and I think Koufos would be that. He just doesn't make a ton of sense here, and hasn't fit particularly well. Acy honestly has been better and makes a lot more sense in minutes next to Cuz.

Here is what I'm thinking:

Kings trade
Koufos
Belinelli

Cavs trade
Mozgov
Shumpert

Cavs downgrade a little on the perimeter to get a guy who is a more proven solid starting center in this league. I think that could really be a good situation for Kosta. For them, it's just a matter of if getting that really solid center is worth losing a perimeter defender.

For us, I think it's a no-brainer. Karl is over-playing both Marco and Kosta right now, and we save him from himself. Unless another trade is made, Acy is the 3rd/situational big (along with going small at times, with Rudy or Omri at PF), the rotations gets staggered to let WCS play some more center, and Mozgov plays situationally when Cuz is in foul trouble and we need some competent size.

The bigger part of the trade for us is Shumpert though. His defense got a little a overrated due to being in two spotlight situations in NY and Cleveland, but he'd still instantly become our best perimeter defender--an area where we really need help. He also brings competent shooting. Not sure if he'd start over Ben or not, but it would be nice to have him there.

One other great thing about this trade is it clears a little bit extra cap to really go after Ryan Anderson hard. If the team is rolling like they are right now and we're able to pay him handsomely, and we have the influence of Vlade and Peja--who he grew up watching and idolizing--I could really see that happening for us. (Of course we may have that kind of space anyway. Not exactly clear on where the cap will be).

[blind prophet]

Anyone hear more about Butler?

I'm assuming at this point its not looking movable unless he is involved in a more complex trade.

[KF10]

Has anyone brought up Cleveland yet?

They're looking to upgrade at center, and I think Koufos would be that. He just doesn't make a ton of sense here, and hasn't fit particularly well. Acy honestly has been better and makes a lot more sense in minutes next to Cuz.

Here is what I'm thinking:

Kings trade
Koufos
Belinelli

Cavs trade
Mozgov
Shumpert

Cavs downgrade a little on the perimeter to get a guy who is a more proven solid starting center in this league. I think that could really be a good situation for Kosta. For them, it's just a matter of if getting that really solid center is worth losing a perimeter defender.

For us, I think it's a no-brainer. Karl is over-playing both Marco and Kosta right now, and we save him from himself. Unless another trade is made, Acy is the 3rd/situational big (along with going small at times, with Rudy or Omri at PF), the rotations gets staggered to let WCS play some more center, and Mozgov plays situationally when Cuz is in foul trouble and we need some competent size.

The bigger part of the trade for us is Shumpert though. His defense got a little a overrated due to being in two spotlight situations in NY and Cleveland, but he'd still instantly become our best perimeter defender--an area where we really need help. He also brings competent shooting. Not sure if he'd start over Ben or not, but it would be nice to have him there.

One other great thing about this trade is it clears a little bit extra cap to really go after Ryan Anderson hard. If the team is rolling like they are right now and we're able to pay him handsomely, and we have the influence of Vlade and Peja--who he grew up watching and idolizing--I could really see that happening for us. (Of course we may have that kind of space anyway. Not exactly clear on where the cap will be).

I don't think the Cavs would do that Beli-for-Shump part of the trade. Beli has been shooting the ball terribly so far. While Shump is their defensive presence in the perimeter. The guy has a knack for defending players. I really liked him in last year's playoffs. No nonsense kind of player too. Koufos and Mozgov are similar defensively but I think Mozgov is more of a natural when it comes to scoring the ball. Koufos is decent to okay at it but Mozgov has legitimate moves down low and has a mid-range jumper. I don't see why the Cavs take a downgrade in talent in 1 or maybe in 2 positions, imo.

[KF10]

Anyone hear more about Butler?

I'm assuming at this point its not looking movable unless he is involved in a more complex trade.

Caron Butler?

Haha, I totally forgot that we have him on the roster! I don't think he's worth anything other than filler or a team that's looking for a vet presence..

[raferfenix]

Other teams interested in Gay...BUCKS

Fascinated by your posts, thanks for sharing!

Curious about the Bucks' interest in Gay. Would that be to keep him or for a 3 way trade or what?

Gay doesn't seem like a great fit in Milwaukee considering he's 29, doesn't play great defense, and the Bucks already have Middleton / Giannis / Parker. I'd be real nervous if the Bucks were making a win now trade for him.

That said, Darren Collison is someone who the Bucks could use a whole lot considering how weak we are at PG. That would particularly be the case if we would be trading MCW in this kind of deal too.

[City of Trees]

Has anyone brought up Cleveland yet?

They're looking to upgrade at center, and I think Koufos would be that. He just doesn't make a ton of sense here, and hasn't fit particularly well. Acy honestly has been better and makes a lot more sense in minutes next to Cuz.

Here is what I'm thinking:

Kings trade
Koufos
Belinelli

Cavs trade
Mozgov
Shumpert

Cavs downgrade a little on the perimeter to get a guy who is a more proven solid starting center in this league. I think that could really be a good situation for Kosta. For them, it's just a matter of if getting that really solid center is worth losing a perimeter defender.

For us, I think it's a no-brainer. Karl is over-playing both Marco and Kosta right now, and we save him from himself. Unless another trade is made, Acy is the 3rd/situational big (along with going small at times, with Rudy or Omri at PF), the rotations gets staggered to let WCS play some more center, and Mozgov plays situationally when Cuz is in foul trouble and we need some competent size.

The bigger part of the trade for us is Shumpert though. His defense got a little a overrated due to being in two spotlight situations in NY and Cleveland, but he'd still instantly become our best perimeter defender--an area where we really need help. He also brings competent shooting. Not sure if he'd start over Ben or not, but it would be nice to have him there.

One other great thing about this trade is it clears a little bit extra cap to really go after Ryan Anderson hard. If the team is rolling like they are right now and we're able to pay him handsomely, and we have the influence of Vlade and Peja--who he grew up watching and idolizing--I could really see that happening for us. (Of course we may have that kind of space anyway. Not exactly clear on where the cap will be).

Sign me up!

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[Silver Man]

Has anyone brought up Cleveland yet?

They're looking to upgrade at center, and I think Koufos would be that. He just doesn't make a ton of sense here, and hasn't fit particularly well. Acy honestly has been better and makes a lot more sense in minutes next to Cuz.

Here is what I'm thinking:

Kings trade
Koufos
Belinelli

Cavs trade
Mozgov
Shumpert

Cavs downgrade a little on the perimeter to get a guy who is a more proven solid starting center in this league. I think that could really be a good situation for Kosta. For them, it's just a matter of if getting that really solid center is worth losing a perimeter defender.

For us, I think it's a no-brainer. Karl is over-playing both Marco and Kosta right now, and we save him from himself. Unless another trade is made, Acy is the 3rd/situational big (along with going small at times, with Rudy or Omri at PF), the rotations gets staggered to let WCS play some more center, and Mozgov plays situationally when Cuz is in foul trouble and we need some competent size.

The bigger part of the trade for us is Shumpert though. His defense got a little a overrated due to being in two spotlight situations in NY and Cleveland, but he'd still instantly become our best perimeter defender--an area where we really need help. He also brings competent shooting. Not sure if he'd start over Ben or not, but it would be nice to have him there.

One other great thing about this trade is it clears a little bit extra cap to really go after Ryan Anderson hard. If the team is rolling like they are right now and we're able to pay him handsomely, and we have the influence of Vlade and Peja--who he grew up watching and idolizing--I could really see that happening for us. (Of course we may have that kind of space anyway. Not exactly clear on where the cap will be).

Unfortunately for us Marco's value is so low I highly doubt the Cavs bite on this trade. At this point it seems Marco needs a change of scenery but unfortunately he's been so poor we won't get anywhere close to true value for Marco.

[mlloyd10]

New Update :

In regards to R.Gay possibly being traded . I am told though the Kings organization loves R.Gay as a player , as a person etc. they are seeing him as more expendable . He holds the greatest value of any player of whom we are considering trading so though we are still talking deals with other teams such as N.O. for Anderson we are now leaning towards a different direction .

We are now leaning towards acquiring a 1st round pick + a cheaper contract expiring or a 1 more year on their deal still player must still be solid & not a scrub .

The Bulls are an option such as Gibson & our # 1 pick we owe them for Gay in a deal ( not saying that would be an exact deal .
I know this type of trade is & has been talked about with the Bulls .

Also Gay to Boston for a # 1 pick + amir johnson whom has a team option for next season or D.Lee expiring + E.Turner + a #1 pick in a deal for Gay & Marco

1 more : Gay to the Clippers in a deal for Stephenson + a #1 pick ( Stephenson has a team option next season )

Other teams interested in Gay : PELICANS , HEAT , ROCKETS, GRIZZ , WIZARDS , BUCKS , SUNS , LAKERS , MAGIC , DENVER & 76ERS
All these teams are aside from ones mentioned above BULLS , CELTICS & CLIPPERS

GAY is one of the few hottest players on the trading block out their . Kings will wait until he is fully healed to trade him if they do so . Had he not had the heel issue he would likely have been dealt already .

Since you mentioned the Bucks....What are you hearing? All bucks fans want Conley

[Andrew McCeltic]

New Update :

In regards to R.Gay possibly being traded . I am told though the Kings organization loves R.Gay as a player , as a person etc. they are seeing him as more expendable . He holds the greatest value of any player of whom we are considering trading so though we are still talking deals with other teams such as N.O. for Anderson we are now leaning towards a different direction .

We are now leaning towards acquiring a 1st round pick + a cheaper contract expiring or a 1 more year on their deal still player must still be solid & not a scrub .

The Bulls are an option such as Gibson & our # 1 pick we owe them for Gay in a deal ( not saying that would be an exact deal .
I know this type of trade is & has been talked about with the Bulls .

Also Gay to Boston for a # 1 pick + amir johnson whom has a team option for next season or D.Lee expiring + E.Turner + a #1 pick in a deal for Gay & Marco

1 more : Gay to the Clippers in a deal for Stephenson + a #1 pick ( Stephenson has a team option next season )

Other teams interested in Gay : PELICANS , HEAT , ROCKETS, GRIZZ , WIZARDS , BUCKS , SUNS , LAKERS , MAGIC , DENVER & 76ERS
All these teams are aside from ones mentioned above BULLS , CELTICS & CLIPPERS

GAY is one of the few hottest players on the trading block out their . Kings will wait until he is fully healed to trade him if they do so . Had he not had the heel issue he would likely have been dealt already .

Eh.. I can live with those deals for Boston, but they make it seem like the Kings are going in circles.. You traded with Philly to dump Landry and Thompson, signed Koufos and Belinelli with the cleared up money, now want to move Gay and maybe Marco to get back a first-rounder and an expiring role-player? Doesn't make sense to me.

FWIW, Turner, Avery Bradley, Jonas Jerebko/1st for Gay/Mclemore I'd do a thousand times..

[tyguy]

Has anyone brought up Cleveland yet?

They're looking to upgrade at center, and I think Koufos would be that. He just doesn't make a ton of sense here, and hasn't fit particularly well. Acy honestly has been better and makes a lot more sense in minutes next to Cuz.

Here is what I'm thinking:

Kings trade
Koufos
Belinelli

Cavs trade
Mozgov
Shumpert

Cavs downgrade a little on the perimeter to get a guy who is a more proven solid starting center in this league. I think that could really be a good situation for Kosta. For them, it's just a matter of if getting that really solid center is worth losing a perimeter defender.

For us, I think it's a no-brainer. Karl is over-playing both Marco and Kosta right now, and we save him from himself. Unless another trade is made, Acy is the 3rd/situational big (along with going small at times, with Rudy or Omri at PF), the rotations gets staggered to let WCS play some more center, and Mozgov plays situationally when Cuz is in foul trouble and we need some competent size.

The bigger part of the trade for us is Shumpert though. His defense got a little a overrated due to being in two spotlight situations in NY and Cleveland, but he'd still instantly become our best perimeter defender--an area where we really need help. He also brings competent shooting. Not sure if he'd start over Ben or not, but it would be nice to have him there.

One other great thing about this trade is it clears a little bit extra cap to really go after Ryan Anderson hard. If the team is rolling like they are right now and we're able to pay him handsomely, and we have the influence of Vlade and Peja--who he grew up watching and idolizing--I could really see that happening for us. (Of course we may have that kind of space anyway. Not exactly clear on where the cap will be).

They aren't looking to upgrade at center. They want another big wing player so they don't have to play richard jefferson/james jones who are both huge net negatives because if their defense. Trading shumpert would be awful for them as they really need his perimeter defense. They are trying to add more perimeter defense, not remove their perimeter defense.