Trade Deadline Countdown....What will we do? What should we do?

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I loved Looney in the draft. Happy to move Morris for him at this point. I think it makes sense for the Warriors as well.

[8on]

feels like a no-brainer:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=h3bgjjx

PHX: Kieff, Tucker, Telly to New Orleans
NO: Anderson, Ajinca, Cunningham to Cleveland
CLE: Love to Phoenix

[Booker For 3]

Overreactions, lack of people seeing big picture, lack of seeing he has dealt with probably the worst roster disfunction in the league and crap talent over the last few years (maybe not crappiest talent, but when combined with playoff expectations, relatively speaking, and roster turnover, disgruntled players due to FO moves, crappy injuries, etc) not good. It's funny, the Celtics wanted him when they ended up going with Doc Rivers and then the Sixers when they went with Brett Brown....I think in both situations, the FO situation would have been perfect for him to do well. He is likely going to be that Belichick/Carroll guy, that coached in crappy run organizations (Browns/Pats at the time) their first time around, and then came back to lead teams to being very good....if he even decides to coach again.

And1. I so appreciate your common sense stance on Hornacek, especially against the anti-Hornacek hysteria and outright ridiculousness that has taken over this board. The struggles on this team are not being caused by Horny. The struggles on this team are caused by a lack of talent on the roster.

I like it...Cutter cuts right through all the BS.

I've been lurking on this forum for a long time and honestly never had any plans of ever signing up for an account but the posts quoted above are so unbelievably **** stupid that I simply could not resist.

I've come to the conclusion that it is flat out impossible to watch a lot of Suns games, have good knowledge of basketball, not be incredibly simple minded, and think Hornacek is a good coach. IMPOSSIBLE,

All I hear from you people are excuses. Not excuses with reasoning, but empty bull narrative excuses with ZERO substance behind them. All these **** excuses and I have never seen ONE poster on this forum state ONE thing that Hornacek does well as a coach in all the time I've spent lurking here.

Rotations? Hands **** down the worst in the league. This can't even be argued.
Connecting with players/not losing the team? Fail.
Defense? We hired Longabardi as our genius defensive assistant who lead us to having the WORST DEFENSE IN THE NBA. You know what happened when he got fired? Hornacek was upset with the move.
Offense? He completely changed the offense after the 13-14 season and make Dragic camp in the corner all game every game while having Bledsoe dribble the air out of the ball every possession. This effectively made both of them look absolutely terrible after they had played so well the year before,
Discipline? That went right out the **** window when he didn't suspend Marcus even 1 game after he cussed him out on TV last year. Plus, we had TJ buried on the bench to step up for him.
In game adjustments? I'm not sure he's made a single one in 2 1/2 seasons.
Drawn up out of bounds calls? Garbage.
Late game decision making? LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

Jeff Hornacek is a HORRIBLE basketball coach. This is the guy that benched TJ Warren, arguably the best scorer on our team, for the entire game after playing 3 **** minutes because of lack of effort on 1 play. Where the **** was this with Markieff being the laziest player in NBA history in the beginning of the season? Why did Hornacek give 0.00000000000000000000 **** Per Game when Channing Frye did the same **** in 13-14? Oh wait, it was nowhere, because Hornacek is a **** IDIOT. And all people like you can do is talk about how he had too many point guards last year as if that is a reasonable explanation for why both the offense AND defense **** sucked when Dragic and Bledsoe were on the floor and IT was on the bench. According to your logic, just having Isaiah Thomas on the roster turned Dragic into a corner camper and Bledsoe into a turnover machine.....even when he wasn't on the floor?

I could come up with 100 other reasons and examples for why Jeff Hornacek is THE WORST COACH IN THE HISTORY OF THE PHOENIX SUNS and you will continue to spout out your bull narratives with ZERO explanation. You have no explanation for why Jeff is a good coach or what he does well because there is NOTHING that could possibly be said, even if you were the best lawyer/debater on the entire planet.

[Booker For 3]

Is Bledsoe Booker Warren Love Len a playoff team?


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No, I don't think that is a playoff team.

With a good coach that doesn't have the worst lineups in the league?

[8on]

the roster has been discombobulated.

McD put together some damn good rosters, but they haven't ever gelled together, or at the same time.

once there was absolutely no chemistry, Hornacek really couldn't do anything about it.

he couldn't get 41 wins with last year's roster. not with all the egos.

he certainly can't do it without Bled.

he did it in 2013-14. so? we know he can do it with a certain amount of talent and cohesion.

it wouldn't surprise me that he'd ask for another year or two, provided that we give him a finished roster. if we can't, i think he'll leave. i've always suspected that he really wanted the Utah job anyway. maybe they'll give it to him.

it's not his fault that we've stunk. it's Kieff's fault, it's Hydra's fault, it's Goran's fault, but it ain't Jeff's fault. he has less than 10% to do with why we lose or win, with all the drama we've had.

[bwgood77]

Holding players to different sets of standards just confounds me. The ONLY reason I could MAYBE see why he does this is because he's already felt he's lost Kieff, Knight, Tucker, etc.--'old dogs, new tricks' mentality, but feels Booker, TJ, Len, and Goodwin can still benefit from a 'firm hand'.

I'm actually on the fence with Horny, and would be ok with either decision. He is in an unenviable position, that's for sure. He has almost nothing to work with, but is some of that his doing? IDK. I do know that I don't want to try to salvage this season, as bad as that may sound. What I mean is, I'd like to get as many minutes for Goodwin, Booker, TJ, and Len--concentrate on their development and see what they are by season's end, so we know best what direction to go in the draft/FA; concentrate our efforts on building a better team next season, not try to 'band-aid' this season.

And honestly, I wouldn't mind giving Horny another chance next season with a decent roster. But if he is fired, I wouldn't cry about it either, because while he's not solely to blame, he does share a good portion of it.

But yes, this roster is not great, and McD made some poor choices (Chandler, Knight), but that is MMQBing at its best. Chandler was questionable, but was made to lure LMA. Knight was looked upon favorably when we acquired him, by most, but now we are stuck with two overpaid players, and a broken Bledsoe. But also, Frank, you have to recognize that what were expected to be two core players for this team got greedy/big-headed (Dragic) or stupid (Kieff), and both McD and Horny have had to deal with that, along with another role player (Marcus) being stupid as well.

But all that said, yes, Horny and McD DO share blame in this, and neither are blameless, but both have had to deal with situations beyond their control. Anyone that blames one has to blame the other as well, which is why I am ok if Horny stays and starts next season, because honestly, I'd still like to give McD another chance in the draft and FA and get the 3rd 'jackwad' off this team, and see if he can unload Chandler and/or Knight in the process. Because if there is one thing I think McD does well, is deal. He's cold and calculating and heartless, to be sure, but he gets it done more often than not.

I think we have fairly similar views. Near the end of December, I became neutral on Hornacek. I don't think he's a bad coach, but he has made mistakes, and has probably had more people on his roster over the three years he has been here than any other coach, and I'm sure many more changes will come. Many of the signings or trades were just not smart (Thomas, Knight, Chandler) and while I understand why those deals were done, and know it is MMQBing, a couple of those moves, and allowing Kieff to remain on the team have made an already difficult challenge even more so.

One of the posters here that was an insider at one point, or claimed to be, mentioned last trade deadline that the FO wanted to trade EVERYONE but Bledsoe, Tucker, Len and Warren. I'm guessing because some of the others were very bad examples and creating a toxic locker room (mainly the twins). But most of the team was not purged, and Markieff is STILL HERE. I do understand, and if I was the FO I wouldn't give him away for nothing either, especially at this point, since this season is lost, but again, the Markieff situation has nothing to do with Hornacek.

So keeping players that create a toxic locker room, or do their own things by arguing with refs or doing their own thing (not following plays), and then ADDING Chandler, another guy who checked out in NY and argues with refs, gets techs, and Knight, who has trouble following plays and has brain farts all the time, compound the problem.

I think Hornacek will almost certainly be gone next season and if much of this roster stays intact, he should be. I'm not sure who could whip this roster into shape and make the playoffs, but I'm guessing that list is very short.

IF the team purges Chandler, Knight, Markieff, etc, and keeps the guys that stay engaged, and put in effort, I think Hornacek could likely be very successful. He's made some bad decisions this year, but the powers that be above him have put him in a terrible situation, starting with putting him in lame duck status to begin the year. As you mentioned above, I do think he is harder on a guy like Warren BECAUSE he can still mold him into a better player. Many of the older players are stuck in their ways or want out because of the FO.

Well respected people think highly of Hornacek.

From Zach Lowe a few weeks back:

Hornacek is a good coach. If the Suns fire him, he will draw interest in what figures to be a frothy head-coaching market this summer. Brooklyn, Sacramento, Washington, Phoenix, Memphis, Houston, Minnesota, Portland, and the Lakers all could have open jobs, and the pool of candidates will be loaded with big names: Jeff Van Gundy (quietly a candidate for the Washington job), Scott Brooks, Thibodeau, Monty Williams, and potentially Dave Joerger, Mike D'Antoni, Hornacek, Luke Walton, and others. As Howard Beck of Bleacher Report noted Sunday, there have already been rumors of Phoenix chasing Walton if they dump Hornacek.

Hornacek appears to want to stay in the NBA, according to league sources, and the Suns would be smart to give him another chance. He's smart, and creative. He hasn't done his best work this season, and there are clearly things he can improve upon. This is his first head job, after all. His brief "no technicals" rule last season seemed dictatorial, and he hasn't been able to salvage the team's relationships with Dragic, Thomas, and now Morris. Other people, including McDonough and Sarver, share in that job, and the team's issues with those players stem more from personnel moves than Hornacek's coaching. But he hasn't been able to work any player-coach magic on that front.

The Suns need to be careful here. If they think Hornacek is their coach of the future, they shouldn't let a bad season decide his job status. And without Bledsoe, this could turn into a very bad season. That's OK. Ride out the losing for a few months, snag a lottery pick, and continue building the young core. They can do that while still working the trade market and dangling max cap space at free agents, but any extra dose of continuity would be healthy for the Suns.

This team without Bledsoe was expected to be among the worst. From Kevin Pelton

Alas, the Suns might not have a choice about winning the rest of the season. With Bledsoe expected out until the All-Star break, Phoenix will have a tough time staying in the race for the eighth seed in the Western Conference despite how weak the competition looks.

ESPN's real plus-minus rates Bledsoe the Suns' best player at 4.2 points per 100 possessions better than league averages. His likely replacements -- Booker (minus-3.0), Goodwin (minus-2.7), Ronnie Price (minus-0.3) and Sonny Weems (minus-2.4) all rate worse than league average, most dramatically so. The drop-off could take Phoenix from a slightly below-average team with rough luck in close games (the Suns have been outscored by just 1.7 points per game, ninth in the West) to near the bottom of the conference for the next few weeks.

From Coro near the end of last season:

Last season, Suns coach Jeff Hornacek took an assembly of players who were unproven, overlooked and discarded and created a team that was unexpected, overachieving and distinct.
That made him the NBA Coach of the Year runner-up to Gregg Popovich and an inspiration for Steve Kerr to coach.
Hornacek will not sneak onto any voting ballot this season but that is through little fault of his own. He is the same even-keeled, sharp-thinking coach who brings authenticity and honesty and asks for effort and unselfishness.
Everything around Hornacek and his staff is quite different.

The Suns made five in-season trades. The roster has included 23 players, a total matched only in Suns history by the 1996-97 season. That team had quick dismissals for Sam Cassell and Robert Horry and resulted in a 40-42 season. If the Suns win their finale Tuesday, they will finish 40-42.

The record is a disappointment, especially because a loss would mean the franchise's worst 11-game finish (1-10) to a season since the Suns' inaugural season 46 years ago. But even in the beginning, Hornacek did not have a team projected to make the playoffs.
From there, he had the difficult task of handling the loss of leaders and character players, the ill fit of the team's best three players being point guards and the square-peg, round-hole replacement of Anthony Tolliver for Channing Frye.

To rectify it, the Suns went through the league's largest in-season roster makeover. Through it all, Hornacek had the Suns at 28-20 in late January until a bad stretch before the trade deadline and Goran Dragic's trade request sent the team reeling all the way to the finish.

"Things happened this year that put us into a wrinkle," Hornacek said. "Then when you make a trade, we were right in the hunt of it and those guys get hurt. Brandon Knight gets hurt, which is a big blow for us. We just try to continue to work and get these guys better."

The largely 25-and-under Suns respect Hornacek and his assistants, although they are comfortable enough with the head coach to openly debate him at times. They listen to Hornacek's usual tempered way and react to his anger but were not mature, savvy or team-oriented enough to continue last season's progress. The frustration of players repeating mistakes can be seen on the sideline, when Hornacek turns from a play before its conclusion because of something gone awry.

Hornacek has an ideal relationship with the front office, regularly meeting after practices and games and sharing the same philosophies. It will be interesting to see whether management wants to pick up Hornacek's 2016-17 contract option year and can convince Managing Partner Robert Sarver to do so. It would show their belief in him before next season, his contract's last guaranteed year.

Only about one-third of NBA head coaches have been in their current jobs longer than Hornacek, whose $2 million salary is less than almost two-thirds of the coaches. There is no paranoia about the way Hornacek operates, even if last season's glow has come off a bit in a city where his image has been pristine since he was drafted in 1986.

That secure confidence will serve Hornacek well as head coach if he is given a better roster.

When Hornacek actually had mostly likeable players in his first season, when the twins were behaving so they could get new contracts, Pop says

Spurs 17-year coach Gregg Popovich was effusive in his praise for what kind of coach he thought the Suns had in rookie coach Jeff Hornacek but, like everyone else, hardly saw the Suns’ success coming.

“Before they started playing, if people said they were going to be doing what they’re doing now, I think people would be disingenuous if they said, ‘Oh, yeah, I knew they were going to be like this,’ ” Popovich said. “There are not too many of us who are that smart. I would say everybody was a little surprised awhile back because of so many new players and putting them together and a new coach and a new system. It takes time, but he’s done and they’ve done it more quickly than most.

“It’s just a testament, also, to the character of their players. They’ve got a good, aggressive group. They all come to play. They don’t back off. They all stick their nose in. They’re unselfish. They’ve got a lot of great elements working together.”
Popovich said a coach is in good shape when he does not have to beg his players to give consistent effort, like the Suns have. He said that happens with high-character players who respect the game.

He said Hornacek’s tenacity as a player transferred to his work as a coach. “He played a fundamental game both in Phoenix and Utah,” Popovich said. “He understands what it takes at the highest level to win, and he’ll demand it. He’ll be disciplined, and he’ll do it fairly and that engenders respect ... and you can tell they don’t disrespect him and they’re having fun playing.”

I just hope that when they get rid of him, and I'm guessing it is inevitable at this point, they hire someone better, because knowing our luck and Sarver, we will replace a well respected coach among peers and analysts with someone who is terrible, and Hornacek will end up coaching some team that makes the playoffs in a couple of years.

[8on]

i think McD isn't trading Kieff until he finds the best deal he can get.

it probably won't be available until mid-February.

three weeks, people. then we'll know for sure.

[Booker For 3]

Holding players to different sets of standards just confounds me. The ONLY reason I could MAYBE see why he does this is because he's already felt he's lost Kieff, Knight, Tucker, etc.--'old dogs, new tricks' mentality, but feels Booker, TJ, Len, and Goodwin can still benefit from a 'firm hand'.

I'm actually on the fence with Horny, and would be ok with either decision. He is in an unenviable position, that's for sure. He has almost nothing to work with, but is some of that his doing? IDK. I do know that I don't want to try to salvage this season, as bad as that may sound. What I mean is, I'd like to get as many minutes for Goodwin, Booker, TJ, and Len--concentrate on their development and see what they are by season's end, so we know best what direction to go in the draft/FA; concentrate our efforts on building a better team next season, not try to 'band-aid' this season.

And honestly, I wouldn't mind giving Horny another chance next season with a decent roster. But if he is fired, I wouldn't cry about it either, because while he's not solely to blame, he does share a good portion of it.

But yes, this roster is not great, and McD made some poor choices (Chandler, Knight), but that is MMQBing at its best. Chandler was questionable, but was made to lure LMA. Knight was looked upon favorably when we acquired him, by most, but now we are stuck with two overpaid players, and a broken Bledsoe. But also, Frank, you have to recognize that what were expected to be two core players for this team got greedy/big-headed (Dragic) or stupid (Kieff), and both McD and Horny have had to deal with that, along with another role player (Marcus) being stupid as well.

But all that said, yes, Horny and McD DO share blame in this, and neither are blameless, but both have had to deal with situations beyond their control. Anyone that blames one has to blame the other as well, which is why I am ok if Horny stays and starts next season, because honestly, I'd still like to give McD another chance in the draft and FA and get the 3rd 'jackwad' off this team, and see if he can unload Chandler and/or Knight in the process. Because if there is one thing I think McD does well, is deal. He's cold and calculating and heartless, to be sure, but he gets it done more often than not.

I think we have fairly similar views. Near the end of December, I became neutral on Hornacek. I don't think he's a bad coach, but he has made mistakes, and has probably had more people on his roster over the three years he has been here than any other coach, and I'm sure many more changes will come. Many of the signings or trades were just not smart (Thomas, Knight, Chandler) and while I understand why those deals were done, and know it is MMQBing, a couple of those moves, and allowing Kieff to remain on the team have made an already difficult challenge even more so.

One of the posters here that was an insider at one point, or claimed to be, mentioned last trade deadline that the FO wanted to trade EVERYONE but Bledsoe, Tucker, Len and Warren. I'm guessing because some of the others were very bad examples and creating a toxic locker room (mainly the twins). But most of the team was not purged, and Markieff is STILL HERE. I do understand, and if I was the FO I wouldn't give him away for nothing either, especially at this point, since this season is lost, but again, the Markieff situation has nothing to do with Hornacek.

So keeping players that create a toxic locker room, or do their own things by arguing with refs or doing their own thing (not following plays), and then ADDING Chandler, another guy who checked out in NY and argues with refs, gets techs, and Knight, who has trouble following plays and has brain farts all the time, compound the problem.

I think Hornacek will almost certainly be gone next season and if much of this roster stays intact, he should be. I'm not sure who could whip this roster into shape and make the playoffs, but I'm guessing that list is very short.

IF the team purges Chandler, Knight, Markieff, etc, and keeps the guys that stay engaged, and put in effort, I think Hornacek could likely be very successful. He's made some bad decisions this year, but the powers that be above him have put him in a terrible situation, starting with putting him in lame duck status to begin the year. As you mentioned above, I do think he is harder on a guy like Warren BECAUSE he can still mold him into a better player. Many of the older players are stuck in their ways or want out because of the FO.

Well respected people think highly of Hornacek.

From Zach Lowe a few weeks back:

Hornacek is a good coach. If the Suns fire him, he will draw interest in what figures to be a frothy head-coaching market this summer. Brooklyn, Sacramento, Washington, Phoenix, Memphis, Houston, Minnesota, Portland, and the Lakers all could have open jobs, and the pool of candidates will be loaded with big names: Jeff Van Gundy (quietly a candidate for the Washington job), Scott Brooks, Thibodeau, Monty Williams, and potentially Dave Joerger, Mike D'Antoni, Hornacek, Luke Walton, and others. As Howard Beck of Bleacher Report noted Sunday, there have already been rumors of Phoenix chasing Walton if they dump Hornacek.
Hornacek appears to want to stay in the NBA, according to league sources, and the Suns would be smart to give him another chance. He's smart, and creative. He hasn't done his best work this season, and there are clearly things he can improve upon. This is his first head job, after all. His brief "no technicals" rule last season seemed dictatorial, and he hasn't been able to salvage the team's relationships with Dragic, Thomas, and now Morris. Other people, including McDonough and Sarver, share in that job, and the team's issues with those players stem more from personnel moves than Hornacek's coaching. But he hasn't been able to work any player-coach magic on that front.
The Suns need to be careful here. If they think Hornacek is their coach of the future, they shouldn't let a bad season decide his job status. And without Bledsoe, this could turn into a very bad season. That's OK. Ride out the losing for a few months, snag a lottery pick, and continue building the young core. They can do that while still working the trade market and dangling max cap space at free agents, but any extra dose of continuity would be healthy for the Suns.

This team without Bledsoe was expected to be among the worst. From Kevin Pelton

Alas, the Suns might not have a choice about winning the rest of the season. With Bledsoe expected out until the All-Star break, Phoenix will have a tough time staying in the race for the eighth seed in the Western Conference despite how weak the competition looks.
ESPN's real plus-minus rates Bledsoe the Suns' best player at 4.2 points per 100 possessions better than league averages. His likely replacements -- Booker (minus-3.0), Goodwin (minus-2.7), Ronnie Price (minus-0.3) and Sonny Weems (minus-2.4) all rate worse than league average, most dramatically so. The drop-off could take Phoenix from a slightly below-average team with rough luck in close games (the Suns have been outscored by just 1.7 points per game, ninth in the West) to near the bottom of the conference for the next few weeks.

From Coro near the end of last season:

Last season, Suns coach Jeff Hornacek took an assembly of players who were unproven, overlooked and discarded and created a team that was unexpected, overachieving and distinct.
That made him the NBA Coach of the Year runner-up to Gregg Popovich and an inspiration for Steve Kerr to coach.
Hornacek will not sneak onto any voting ballot this season but that is through little fault of his own. He is the same even-keeled, sharp-thinking coach who brings authenticity and honesty and asks for effort and unselfishness.
Everything around Hornacek and his staff is quite different.

The Suns made five in-season trades. The roster has included 23 players, a total matched only in Suns history by the 1996-97 season. That team had quick dismissals for Sam Cassell and Robert Horry and resulted in a 40-42 season. If the Suns win their finale Tuesday, they will finish 40-42.

The record is a disappointment, especially because a loss would mean the franchise's worst 11-game finish (1-10) to a season since the Suns' inaugural season 46 years ago. But even in the beginning, Hornacek did not have a team projected to make the playoffs.
From there, he had the difficult task of handling the loss of leaders and character players, the ill fit of the team's best three players being point guards and the square-peg, round-hole replacement of Anthony Tolliver for Channing Frye.

To rectify it, the Suns went through the league's largest in-season roster makeover. Through it all, Hornacek had the Suns at 28-20 in late January until a bad stretch before the trade deadline and Goran Dragic's trade request sent the team reeling all the way to the finish.

"Things happened this year that put us into a wrinkle," Hornacek said. "Then when you make a trade, we were right in the hunt of it and those guys get hurt. Brandon Knight gets hurt, which is a big blow for us. We just try to continue to work and get these guys better."

The largely 25-and-under Suns respect Hornacek and his assistants, although they are comfortable enough with the head coach to openly debate him at times. They listen to Hornacek's usual tempered way and react to his anger but were not mature, savvy or team-oriented enough to continue last season's progress. The frustration of players repeating mistakes can be seen on the sideline, when Hornacek turns from a play before its conclusion because of something gone awry.

Hornacek has an ideal relationship with the front office, regularly meeting after practices and games and sharing the same philosophies. It will be interesting to see whether management wants to pick up Hornacek's 2016-17 contract option year and can convince Managing Partner Robert Sarver to do so. It would show their belief in him before next season, his contract's last guaranteed year.

Only about one-third of NBA head coaches have been in their current jobs longer than Hornacek, whose $2 million salary is less than almost two-thirds of the coaches. There is no paranoia about the way Hornacek operates, even if last season's glow has come off a bit in a city where his image has been pristine since he was drafted in 1986.

That secure confidence will serve Hornacek well as head coach if he is given a better roster.

When Hornacek actually had mostly likeable players in his first season, when the twins were behaving so they could get new contracts, Pop says

Spurs 17-year coach Gregg Popovich was effusive in his praise for what kind of coach he thought the Suns had in rookie coach Jeff Hornacek but, like everyone else, hardly saw the Suns’ success coming.

“Before they started playing, if people said they were going to be doing what they’re doing now, I think people would be disingenuous if they said, ‘Oh, yeah, I knew they were going to be like this,’ ” Popovich said. “There are not too many of us who are that smart. I would say everybody was a little surprised awhile back because of so many new players and putting them together and a new coach and a new system. It takes time, but he’s done and they’ve done it more quickly than most.

“It’s just a testament, also, to the character of their players. They’ve got a good, aggressive group. They all come to play. They don’t back off. They all stick their nose in. They’re unselfish. They’ve got a lot of great elements working together.”
Popovich said a coach is in good shape when he does not have to beg his players to give consistent effort, like the Suns have. He said that happens with high-character players who respect the game.

He said Hornacek’s tenacity as a player transferred to his work as a coach. “He played a fundamental game both in Phoenix and Utah,” Popovich said. “He understands what it takes at the highest level to win, and he’ll demand it. He’ll be disciplined, and he’ll do it fairly and that engenders respect ... and you can tell they don’t disrespect him and they’re having fun playing.”

Wow. Nothing more than a long ass post full of empty bull NARRATIVES and not a single reason of WHY he is a good coach or even mentioning ONE thing he does well.

I guess that's just what is to be expected from you people.

[Son of Ra]

And1. I so appreciate your common sense stance on Hornacek, especially against the anti-Hornacek hysteria and outright ridiculousness that has taken over this board. The struggles on this team are not being caused by Horny. The struggles on this team are caused by a lack of talent on the roster.

I like it...Cutter cuts right through all the BS.

I've been lurking on this forum for a long time and honestly never had any plans of ever signing up for an account but the posts quoted above are so unbelievably **** stupid that I simply could not resist.

I've come to the conclusion that it is flat out impossible to watch a lot of Suns games, have good knowledge of basketball, not be incredibly simple minded, and think Hornacek is a good coach. IMPOSSIBLE,

All I hear from you people are excuses. Not excuses with reasoning, but empty bull narrative excuses with ZERO substance behind them. All these **** excuses and I have never seen ONE poster on this forum state ONE thing that Hornacek does well as a coach in all the time I've spent lurking here.

Rotations? Hands **** down the worst in the league. This can't even be argued.
Connecting with players/not losing the team? Fail.
Defense? We hired Longabardi as our genius defensive assistant who lead us to having the WORST DEFENSE IN THE NBA. You know what happened when he got fired? Hornacek was upset with the move.
Offense? He completely changed the offense after the 13-14 season and make Dragic camp in the corner all game every game while having Bledsoe dribble the air out of the ball every possession. This effectively made both of them look absolutely terrible after they had played so well the year before,
Discipline? That went right out the **** window when he didn't suspend Marcus even 1 game after he cussed him out on TV last year. Plus, we had TJ buried on the bench to step up for him.
In game adjustments? I'm not sure he's made a single one in 2 1/2 seasons.
Drawn up out of bounds calls? Garbage.
Late game decision making? LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

Jeff Hornacek is a HORRIBLE basketball coach. This is the guy that benched TJ Warren, arguably the best scorer on our team, for the entire game after playing 3 **** minutes because of lack of effort on 1 play. Where the **** was this with Markieff being the laziest player in NBA history in the beginning of the season? Why did Hornacek give 0.00000000000000000000 **** Per Game when Channing Frye did the same **** in 13-14? Oh wait, it was nowhere, because Hornacek is a **** IDIOT. And all people like you can do is talk about how he had too many point guards last year as if that is a reasonable explanation for why both the offense AND defense **** sucked when Dragic and Bledsoe were on the floor and IT was on the bench. According to your logic, just having Isaiah Thomas on the roster turned Dragic into a corner camper and Bledsoe into a turnover machine.....even when he wasn't on the floor?

I could come up with 100 other reasons and examples for why Jeff Hornacek is THE WORST COACH IN THE HISTORY OF THE PHOENIX SUNS and you will continue to spout out your bull narratives with ZERO explanation. You have no explanation for why Jeff is a good coach or what he does well because there is NOTHING that could possibly be said, even if you were the best lawyer/debater on the entire planet.

Burningheart is that you? I kinda missed you, how have you been?

[RunDogGun]

We need a floor leader, which is why I wanted Livingston. I think we could get more for Tele by himself.

I just don't think there's any way a team that has lost only 4 games halfway through the season trades a rotation player. They just wouldn't. Livingston's worth more to the Warriors than to us - you leave him there.

Yep. I'm not trying to come over here with lowball trade proposals either lol. I know how annoying that can be...I'm just passing along some info and trying to find out more about Morris. Thanks for the responses Suns fans

No worries, I wasn't trying to lowball back, just I've always liked Livingston, and we need a point leader on this team badly.

At this point, I don't think we have to move Morris, we aren't winning games with him or without him. But you never know, your beat writer might know something. I just really think that once he gets moved, he will play significantly better, and we don't need a salary dump right now.

[kennydorglas]

It's hard to disagree with Lowe, but this take on Hornacek.
Yeah, nevermind.

[Booker For 3]

Why is everyone up in arms that Hornacek hasn't been fired yet? He played Booker/Warren/Archie/Len all over 30 minutes last night, Booker even played 43 minutes. I mean, he kinda had to with only 8 players suited up, but still we're losing games playing our young guns and hopefully land a top pick in the process. What more can you guys ask for?

What an unbelievably horrible post from a guy with zero basketball knowledge. I've read a lot of stupid **** in my life but this is just WOW.

You know how many minutes Warren played the game before? THREE? Yes, that word represents the number 3, as in 1 less than 4. I don't even need to explain why that is a **** abomination.

"I mean, he kinda had to do with only 8 players suited up"
Well, duh! Isn't that the **** point? That's the only **** reason those guys played so much and 2 of the 8 players were on 10 day contracts!!! What the **** do you expect? Are we supposed to praise his dumb ass for giving them those minutes in those circumstances when he should be doing so every single game? As in....consistently? I'm pretty sure Jeff doesn't know what that word means so maybe you don't either. I'm pretty sure Jeff Hornaceks dumbass probably went home and cried in a **** pillow because he could play future Hall of Famers Ronnie Price and PJ Tucker over 30 minutes each.

Worst coach in the NBA, dumbest supporters on the Internet. Jeff Hornacek, ladies and gentlemen.

[AtheJ415]

I think McDoNothing will live up to this name. Perhaps we move Tucker or Tele to a contending team, but the rest of our pieces just don't have the attraction or don't yield the value. They have weathered the MoBro PR storm and I would not be surprised if the FO just holds onto what we have till the Lotto/draft shakes out.... then swing for the fences. Frankly, MoBro with a clean legal slate and a year separation from his severed siamese twin should be much more marketable.

Of course, the standard spin-spew will be issued....how hard they tried to make a deal, but nothing seemed to really improve the team. Which in this case is likely true. At this point, the plus by minus theory should be ignored as it looks like we are headed for a top 5 pick.

So now you're claiming McDonough doesn't make enough deals? hE'S ARGUABLY BEEN THE MOST ACTIVE gm in basketball since he came here.

[bwgood77]

Burningheart is that you? I kinda missed you, how have you been?

More likely SF88.

[Son of Ra]

And 'Booker for 3' banned in 3,2,1...

[bwgood77]

Why is everyone up in arms that Hornacek hasn't been fired yet? He played Booker/Warren/Archie/Len all over 30 minutes last night, Booker even played 43 minutes. I mean, he kinda had to with only 8 players suited up, but still we're losing games playing our young guns and hopefully land a top pick in the process. What more can you guys ask for?

What an unbelievably horrible post from a guy with zero basketball knowledge. I've read a lot of stupid **** in my life but this is just WOW.

You know how many minutes Warren played the game before? THREE? Yes, that word represents the number 3, as in 1 less than 4. I don't even need to explain why that is a **** abomination.

"I mean, he kinda had to do with only 8 players suited up"
Well, duh! Isn't that the **** point? That's the only **** reason those guys played so much and 2 of the 8 players were on 10 day contracts!!! What the **** do you expect? Are we supposed to praise his dumb ass for giving them those minutes in those circumstances when he should be doing so every single game? As in....consistently? I'm pretty sure Jeff doesn't know what that word means so maybe you don't either. I'm pretty sure Jeff Hornaceks dumbass probably went home and cried in a **** pillow because he could play future Hall of Famers Ronnie Price and PJ Tucker over 30 minutes each.

Worst coach in the NBA, dumbest supporters on the Internet. Jeff Hornacek, ladies and gentlemen.

Do not bait other posters.

[Booker For 3]

And 'Booker for 3' banned in 3,2,1...

Wouldn't surprise me

I'll probably be banned, then Bwgood will go on for all of eternity without providing one single explanation for exactly why Hornacek does not suck.

[Booker For 3]

Why is everyone up in arms that Hornacek hasn't been fired yet? He played Booker/Warren/Archie/Len all over 30 minutes last night, Booker even played 43 minutes. I mean, he kinda had to with only 8 players suited up, but still we're losing games playing our young guns and hopefully land a top pick in the process. What more can you guys ask for?

What an unbelievably horrible post from a guy with zero basketball knowledge. I've read a lot of stupid **** in my life but this is just WOW.

You know how many minutes Warren played the game before? THREE? Yes, that word represents the number 3, as in 1 less than 4. I don't even need to explain why that is a **** abomination.

"I mean, he kinda had to do with only 8 players suited up"
Well, duh! Isn't that the **** point? That's the only **** reason those guys played so much and 2 of the 8 players were on 10 day contracts!!! What the **** do you expect? Are we supposed to praise his dumb ass for giving them those minutes in those circumstances when he should be doing so every single game? As in....consistently? I'm pretty sure Jeff doesn't know what that word means so maybe you don't either. I'm pretty sure Jeff Hornaceks dumbass probably went home and cried in a **** pillow because he could play future Hall of Famers Ronnie Price and PJ Tucker over 30 minutes each.

Worst coach in the NBA, dumbest supporters on the Internet. Jeff Hornacek, ladies and gentlemen.

Do not bait other posters.

Ok, I got it out of my system. Now can you please just tell me one thing Hornacek does good? Or one explanation, without empty narratives, that explains why he is a decent coach? That's all I want.

[RunDogGun]

Burningheart is that you? I kinda missed you, how have you been?

More likely SF88.

Totally what I was thinking. It had disgruntled written all over it. At least BH was a bit funny about his rants.

[oddity]

And1. I so appreciate your common sense stance on Hornacek, especially against the anti-Hornacek hysteria and outright ridiculousness that has taken over this board. The struggles on this team are not being caused by Horny. The struggles on this team are caused by a lack of talent on the roster.

I like it...Cutter cuts right through all the BS.

I've been lurking on this forum for a long time and honestly never had any plans of ever signing up for an account but the posts quoted above are so unbelievably **** stupid that I simply could not resist.

I've come to the conclusion that it is flat out impossible to watch a lot of Suns games, have good knowledge of basketball, not be incredibly simple minded, and think Hornacek is a good coach. IMPOSSIBLE,

All I hear from you people are excuses. Not excuses with reasoning, but empty bull narrative excuses with ZERO substance behind them. All these **** excuses and I have never seen ONE poster on this forum state ONE thing that Hornacek does well as a coach in all the time I've spent lurking here.

Rotations? Hands **** down the worst in the league. This can't even be argued.
Connecting with players/not losing the team? Fail.
Defense? We hired Longabardi as our genius defensive assistant who lead us to having the WORST DEFENSE IN THE NBA. You know what happened when he got fired? Hornacek was upset with the move.
Offense? He completely changed the offense after the 13-14 season and make Dragic camp in the corner all game every game while having Bledsoe dribble the air out of the ball every possession. This effectively made both of them look absolutely terrible after they had played so well the year before,
Discipline? That went right out the **** window when he didn't suspend Marcus even 1 game after he cussed him out on TV last year. Plus, we had TJ buried on the bench to step up for him.
In game adjustments? I'm not sure he's made a single one in 2 1/2 seasons.
Drawn up out of bounds calls? Garbage.
Late game decision making? LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

Jeff Hornacek is a HORRIBLE basketball coach. This is the guy that benched TJ Warren, arguably the best scorer on our team, for the entire game after playing 3 **** minutes because of lack of effort on 1 play. Where the **** was this with Markieff being the laziest player in NBA history in the beginning of the season? Why did Hornacek give 0.00000000000000000000 **** Per Game when Channing Frye did the same **** in 13-14? Oh wait, it was nowhere, because Hornacek is a **** IDIOT. And all people like you can do is talk about how he had too many point guards last year as if that is a reasonable explanation for why both the offense AND defense **** sucked when Dragic and Bledsoe were on the floor and IT was on the bench. According to your logic, just having Isaiah Thomas on the roster turned Dragic into a corner camper and Bledsoe into a turnover machine.....even when he wasn't on the floor?

I could come up with 100 other reasons and examples for why Jeff Hornacek is THE WORST COACH IN THE HISTORY OF THE PHOENIX SUNS and you will continue to spout out your bull narratives with ZERO explanation. You have no explanation for why Jeff is a good coach or what he does well because there is NOTHING that could possibly be said, even if you were the best lawyer/debater on the entire planet.

And1ed for the name. Booker for 3 lmfaooooo welcome!