Game 45: The Booker Watch against the Hawks.

letsgosuns · Post #241 » by **letsgosuns** » Sun Jan 24, 2016 4:35 am

That Suns starting lineup might been the biggest in franchise history.

Goodwin: 6'5"
Booker: 6'6"
Tucker: 6'6"
Len: 7'1"
Chandler: 7'1"

I love it.

Post #242 » by **Qwigglez** » Sun Jan 24, 2016 4:35 am

GoranTragic wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:Holy **** **** Goodwin.....1UPZ, I am a fan now...hopefully a game like this propels him forward.

I guess you don't want to trade him for Ibaka now?

Absolutely not. We got Len/Chandler in the middle now!

MVSteve · Post #243 » by **MVSteve** » Sun Jan 24, 2016 4:36 am

Such a big shot by Goodwin! Loved seeing that.

Post #244 » by **bwgood77** » Sun Jan 24, 2016 4:36 am

GoranTragic wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:Holy **** **** Goodwin.....1UPZ, I am a fan now...hopefully a game like this propels him forward.

I guess you don't want to trade him for Ibaka now?

That was a post that actually made me laugh out loud....so funny....good work...yeah, I still think I'd lean towards trading him for Ibaka though.

Post #245 » by **bwgood77** » Sun Jan 24, 2016 4:37 am

MVSteve wrote:Such a big shot by Goodwin! Loved seeing that.

Welcome to the forums!

JMac1 · Post #246 » by **JMac1** » Sun Jan 24, 2016 4:38 am

I wish Goodwin good grow into a triangle type PG even though we don't run it.

Goodwin
Booker
Warren
Ingram
Len

in 4 years would be nice. Will have to jump Lakers and Brooklyn in lottery.

JMac1 · Post #247 » by **JMac1** » Sun Jan 24, 2016 4:40 am

Quiet as kept, Goodwin created that shot by himself!

bigfoot · Post #248 » by **bigfoot** » Sun Jan 24, 2016 4:42 am

bwgood77 wrote:
Qwigglez wrote:22 assist as a team. Great stat.
Chandler showing his leadership. Maybe with Knight and Bledsoe injured Chandler will emerge as the voice and heart of the team.

I hope that game opens up the Archie Goodwin show. I haven't been this excited for him since his rookie year.

It's funny, I was just debating people today about lack of assists for our team and my take was that having shoot first point guards, and more than one or two of them isn't going to help with assists, but then when all those guys are out, and Hornacek has a nice group to play with, we have assists.

Put into perspective we had 22 assists which is only 2 more than we average per game. Also, Booker and Goodwin took 19 and 17 shots which are two more than what Bledsoe and Knight take.

What looks different is the shorter rotation and the twin towers. Our starters played big minutes.

kennydorglas · Post #249 » by **kennydorglas** » Sun Jan 24, 2016 4:42 am

Great game to get all of Cardinals fans even more pumped up for tomorrow.

letsgosuns · Post #250 » by **letsgosuns** » Sun Jan 24, 2016 4:47 am

Opening night lineup:
Bledsoe, Knight, Tucker, Markieff, Chandler
Destroyed by Dallas.

Tonight's staring lineup:
Goodwin, Booker, Tucker, Len, Chandler
Played with more heart and passion than any other game this season and beat the Hawks.

I would take tonight's lineup 10 times out of 10 over that opening night lineup.

blacksun · Post #251 » by **blacksun** » Sun Jan 24, 2016 4:47 am

I dont even want Knight to come back. Throw him to Siberia or Philadelphia or something.

Cutter · Post #252 » by **Cutter** » Sun Jan 24, 2016 4:47 am

Go Cardinals!!!

ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #253 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Sun Jan 24, 2016 4:53 am

JMac1 wrote:I wish Goodwin good grow into a triangle type PG even though we don't run it.

Goodwin
Booker
Warren
Ingram
Len

in 4 years would be nice. Will have to jump Lakers and Brooklyn in lottery.

I like the idea of Ingram and all, but Alex Len is a 4/5, not a 5. Ingram can play the 3 though

AtheJ415 · Post #254 » by **AtheJ415** » Sun Jan 24, 2016 4:54 am

bigfoot wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
Qwigglez wrote:22 assist as a team. Great stat.
Chandler showing his leadership. Maybe with Knight and Bledsoe injured Chandler will emerge as the voice and heart of the team.

I hope that game opens up the Archie Goodwin show. I haven't been this excited for him since his rookie year.

It's funny, I was just debating people today about lack of assists for our team and my take was that having shoot first point guards, and more than one or two of them isn't going to help with assists, but then when all those guys are out, and Hornacek has a nice group to play with, we have assists.

Put into perspective we had 22 assists which is only 2 more than we average per game. Also, Booker and Goodwin took 19 and 17 shots which are two more than what Bledsoe and Knight take.

What looks different is the shorter rotation and the twin towers. Our starters played big minutes.

Yeah. I was going to say, 22 assists isn't that great, particularly when you have so many fast break opportunities. It's certainly better than before, but not by much, and still below where it should be. Essentially, the reason we won was because Goodwin and Booker played like Bledsoe and Knight did early this year, combined with Tyson playing way better, and the Hawks being offensively inept and dysfunctional for 3 quarters.

AtheJ415 · Post #255 » by **AtheJ415** » Sun Jan 24, 2016 4:55 am

JMac1 wrote:Very Very Very Very happy for Archie, you never know, it could be the beginning of something big. Minny won too, so nothing wrong with winning.

I'm happy for Archie, but MN is just one tanking team. I still think we can catch Brooklyn and have a small chance at catching LA.

Funky Tut · Post #256 » by **Funky Tut** » Sun Jan 24, 2016 4:58 am

looked like a decent crowd tonight, maybe this youth explosion is getting some people excited.

thamadkant · Post #257 » by **thamadkant** » Sun Jan 24, 2016 4:58 am

Lakers need to go on a winning streak...

Maybe the Suns can help them land Love from Cavs....

I dunnot, give Cavs Knight, Tucker and Chandler (deserves playoffs) for Love... Love goes to Lakers... Lakers send their pick to Suns.
Suns get 2 top 7 picks potentially.

Get Ingram or Simmons..... BOOM.

Post #258 » by **bwgood77** » Sun Jan 24, 2016 5:00 am

AtheJ415 wrote:
bigfoot wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
It's funny, I was just debating people today about lack of assists for our team and my take was that having shoot first point guards, and more than one or two of them isn't going to help with assists, but then when all those guys are out, and Hornacek has a nice group to play with, we have assists.

Put into perspective we had 22 assists which is only 2 more than we average per game. Also, Booker and Goodwin took 19 and 17 shots which are two more than what Bledsoe and Knight take.

What looks different is the shorter rotation and the twin towers. Our starters played big minutes.

Yeah. I was going to say, 22 assists isn't that great, particularly when you have so many fast break opportunities. It's certainly better than before, but not by much, and still below where it should be. Essentially, the reason we won was because Goodwin and Booker played like Bledsoe and Knight did early this year, combined with Tyson playing way better, and the Hawks being offensively inept and dysfunctional for 3 quarters.

No, not great, but better even without a real pg out there....I guess I could say none of the players on our roster are real point guards other than Bledsoe (who many call more of a sg) and Price (but obviously he is just a very end of bench guy).

So without any real point guards out there, the ball movement looked pretty good to me.

ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #259 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Sun Jan 24, 2016 5:01 am

1UPZ wrote:Lakers need to go on a winning streak...

Maybe the Suns can help them land Love from Cavs....

I dunnot, give Cavs Knight, Tucker and Chandler (deserves playoffs) for Love... Love goes to Lakers... Lakers send their pick to Suns.
Suns get 2 top 7 picks potentially.

Get Ingram or Simmons..... BOOM.

I'm suddenly not very interested in trading Chandler, since Alex Len is a 4 and all.

Hey, since Alex Len plays power forward, maybe Jakob Poeltl would be a fine draft pick, if we can't land Simmons or Ingram. :nod:

AtheJ415 · Post #260 » by **AtheJ415** » Sun Jan 24, 2016 5:03 am

bwgood77 wrote:
Qwigglez wrote:22 assist as a team. Great stat.
Chandler showing his leadership. Maybe with Knight and Bledsoe injured Chandler will emerge as the voice and heart of the team.

I hope that game opens up the Archie Goodwin show. I haven't been this excited for him since his rookie year.

It's funny, I was just debating people today about lack of assists for our team and my take was that having shoot first point guards, and more than one or two of them isn't going to help with assists, but then when all those guys are out, and Hornacek has a nice group to play with, we have assists.

It's certainly better, but really we average 20.5 on the season, so we've hit 22 assists plenty times before with our shoot first PGs, and our guards took the bulk of our shots again. It's the system we run. You look at the team assist numbers across the league and most make sense based on how they play. Utah is last, because they post up a ton, for instance.

Archie was 7-17 with 4 assists (although he deserved more imo) and 1 TO. Booker was 6-19 with 1 assist and 3 TOs. Let's be real, we'd crucify both if Bledsoe and Knight put up those lines. It's a system thing, and Booker and Archie played tonight just like our previous guards. Our guards have always been our shot takers and the team overall doesn't get assists because that's how our system is set up. It tries to create a mismatch and then tries to exploit that mismatch 1 on 1. Assists don't come from those scenarios.

On the plus side, Archie hit 8-9 FTs and the game winner, and Len and Chandler had 39 rebounds between them, while Len was 6-10 from the field and had more assists than either of our guards.