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Temuhjan wrote:RexBoyWonder wrote:Stokes is probably the MVP of the Dleague this year, great idea cutting him and losing his rights for 3 random D-leagurs we won't have any rights for. Love the logic.
We didn't have the rights to Whiteside neither. Yet we signed him and it worked out. Do you have a problem with that?
gom wrote:Temuhjan wrote:Between Bird and Stokes, we are looking at two Forward-Centers. So, it's an apples for apples comparison:
Stokes has one thing going for him. That's youth. But he is only 6-7 and can hardly shoot outside of 3 feet.
Bird, on the other hand, can shoot, knows our system and earned his stripes.
If you want to cut someone to improve our depth on the perimeter. Who is it gonna be?
I easily cut Birdman. He hasn't been good. Stokes has been working hard at Sioux Falls and has excelled.
gom wrote:Temuhjan wrote:RexBoyWonder wrote:Stokes is probably the MVP of the Dleague this year, great idea cutting him and losing his rights for 3 random D-leagurs we won't have any rights for. Love the logic.
We didn't have the rights to Whiteside neither. Yet we signed him and it worked out. Do you have a problem with that?
It hasn't worked out yet. You know Hassan can sign anywhere.
Temuhjan wrote:gom wrote:Temuhjan wrote:We didn't have the rights to Whiteside neither. Yet we signed him and it worked out. Do you have a problem with that?
It hasn't worked out yet. You know Hassan can sign anywhere.
C'mon, don't be so greedy. Hassan has helped us much last season and this. He is worth our roster spot plus more. Wouldn't you agree?
gom wrote:You have a good point. Hassan has contributed over the last two years. The problem is that he can leave after his contract and play for anyone, and we get no compensation for our investment. It is greedy. You're right, but I am focused on acquiring assets for the team and without signing him long-term, we have nothing for all our efforts.
That is why I'd prefer to find players in the D-League that have not played for other teams. That restricts the (already sparse) talent pool quite a lot, but a player like Tyler Johnson is preferable from an assets perspective than Hassan Whiteside. Here are players that fall in that category:
All in all, we would be fools not to give Stokes a chance. He'll be a restricted free agent in July 2018 and Miami will hold his bird rights.
Temuhjan wrote:gom wrote:You have a good point. Hassan has contributed over the last two years. The problem is that he can leave after his contract and play for anyone, and we get no compensation for our investment. It is greedy. You're right, but I am focused on acquiring assets for the team and without signing him long-term, we have nothing for all our efforts.
That is why I'd prefer to find players in the D-League that have not played for other teams. That restricts the (already sparse) talent pool quite a lot, but a player like Tyler Johnson is preferable from an assets perspective than Hassan Whiteside. Here are players that fall in that category:
All in all, we would be fools not to give Stokes a chance. He'll be a restricted free agent in July 2018 and Miami will hold his bird rights.
I agree with your point except for the fact only the cream of D-League will work out in the L. And these 10 or so D-Leaguers in a given season typically were signed by some other team at an earlier time. If we happen to come across a D-Leaguer half as good as Hassan and we can have his bird rights, I am all for it. But unfortunately it is easier says than done.
In particular, I cannot imagine how a 6-7 forward-center who cannot shoot from outside 3 feet can ever be effective in the L. I am afraid this boy is a dud.
gom wrote:heat4life wrote:I think Birdman is the most logical choice but easier said than done.
Birdman costs $2.1M (his remaining salary) to waive. We have to pay it anyhow. All it will cost is the price of a replacement player and all we can do is get a vet min anyhow, so...
gom wrote:... but a player like Tyler Johnson is preferable from an assets perspective than Hassan Whiteside.
gom wrote:Temuhjan wrote:gom wrote:You have a good point. Hassan has contributed over the last two years. The problem is that he can leave after his contract and play for anyone, and we get no compensation for our investment. It is greedy. You're right, but I am focused on acquiring assets for the team and without signing him long-term, we have nothing for all our efforts.
That is why I'd prefer to find players in the D-League that have not played for other teams. That restricts the (already sparse) talent pool quite a lot, but a player like Tyler Johnson is preferable from an assets perspective than Hassan Whiteside. Here are players that fall in that category:
All in all, we would be fools not to give Stokes a chance. He'll be a restricted free agent in July 2018 and Miami will hold his bird rights.
I agree with your point except for the fact only the cream of D-League will work out in the L. And these 10 or so D-Leaguers in a given season typically were signed by some other team at an earlier time. If we happen to come across a D-Leaguer half as good as Hassan and we can have his bird rights, I am all for it. But unfortunately it is easier says than done.
In particular, I cannot imagine how a 6-7 forward-center who cannot shoot from outside 3 feet can ever be effective in the L. I am afraid this boy is a dud.
Small sample but he's 11-23 from 10 to 19 feet. That's not terrible. Greg Whittington is 7 for 18 from the same distance.
http://stats.nbadleague.com/player/#!/203950/stats/shooting/