Trade Deadline Countdown....What will we do? What should we do?

[NavLDO]

I'd offer up Knight to the Knicks, I think he'd fit quite well there to be honest.

Knight/Afflalo/Melo/Kristaps/RoLo has a good balance to it. Leuer and Calderon would be a nice combo off the bench too with Galloway.

Knight
Leuer

for

Derrick Williams (I dislike him, but slot him in at PF and watch the losses pile up!)
Seraphin - 1yr deal
Amundson - 1yr deal
Jerian Grant - the kicker and why I do the deal. Cheap on his rookie deal and a true pass-first guy, ideal sort of guy to try out over the 2nd half of the season.

Would probably waive Lou and even Williams, though I don't mind Seraphin - but his agent is Rich Paul.

I actually like this deal, honestly. Williams is trash (most likely), but Seraphin gives us another bench big, and yes, Grant has upside, even as an older rookie.

Look, when we offer 'trash', we are likely to receive 'trash' back. Frank is right. These other deals I'm seeing where we trade an inefficient Knight, a troubled Kieff, an expiring Tele and we get back an All-Star in Love is just NOT happening. The Cavs JUST traded the #1 overall pick--a good one in Wiggins, for Love, and they are going to turn around and trade him to us a year later for Kieff, Knight, and other trash? Not going to happen.

At least this deal is realistic, even though I'd want a future 1st back in return, say 2019/2020, since Leuer is still relatively young and showed some promise this season. And Knight is only a year removed from being a borderline All-Star.

[BobbieL]

Man if we somehow were able to trade Knight and Markieff for Love I would be overjoyed. The second game on the trip is against the Cavs too.

It would be great if it happened that day, so we would not have to face a disgruntled Morris. And we wouldn't be losing anything, because neither of the two we'd be giving up are playing for us. But I thought the choice was Blatt or Love, and Love won.

I have no idea if keeping Lue means they can't keep Love, but Bill Simmons made a good point earlier when saying in finals, with top west teams going small, they can only play 1 of those 4 bigs at the same time. Also, if they go small, Knight actually fits better there because LeBron would NOT allow him to dribble the ball that much, so he'd turn into more of a spot up shooter.

So I guess it depends on if they want to pay that much to Thompson/Love when only one will likely be on the court in small lineups, or add depth in backcourt and get two super subs off the bench. I know most here don't like Kieff and many don't like Knight, but you can't deny in the right situation that they would be super subs.

Again, Simmons' tweet

[tweet]https://twitter.com/BillSimmons/status/690936259355631616[/tweet]

Also, listen to the Zach Lowe podcast (I posted in podcast thread) at least from minutes 7-12 and he makes some points about Love and whether or not it makes sense for a team to give him the max when he is not the first or second option.

I realize I am trying for this Love for Kieff/Knight trade but - the Cavs are paying Love basically the cost of Knight + Kieff -== around 21m bucks. Against teams like GSW and the SPurs (not to mention, they haven't looked good against the Bulls either) - Kieff and Knight would probably help them more for the same dollars. They are on the hook for like 90m for four years - I personally think Kieff and Knight round out there roster. Granted, a lot of this is wishful thinking but there is some rationale for the Cavs to do it

[bwgood77]

Spoiler:

It would be great if it happened that day, so we would not have to face a disgruntled Morris. And we wouldn't be losing anything, because neither of the two we'd be giving up are playing for us. But I thought the choice was Blatt or Love, and Love won.

I have no idea if keeping Lue means they can't keep Love, but Bill Simmons made a good point earlier when saying in finals, with top west teams going small, they can only play 1 of those 4 bigs at the same time. Also, if they go small, Knight actually fits better there because LeBron would NOT allow him to dribble the ball that much, so he'd turn into more of a spot up shooter.

So I guess it depends on if they want to pay that much to Thompson/Love when only one will likely be on the court in small lineups, or add depth in backcourt and get two super subs off the bench. I know most here don't like Kieff and many don't like Knight, but you can't deny in the right situation that they would be super subs.

Again, Simmons' tweet

[tweet]https://twitter.com/BillSimmons/status/690936259355631616[/tweet]

Also, listen to the Zach Lowe podcast (I posted in podcast thread) at least from minutes 7-12 and he makes some points about Love and whether or not it makes sense for a team to give him the max when he is not the first or second option.

I realize I am trying for this Love for Kieff/Knight trade but - the Cavs are paying Love basically the cost of Knight + Kieff -== around 21m bucks. Against teams like GSW and the SPurs (not to mention, they haven't looked good against the Cavs) - Kieff and Knight would probably help them more for the same dollars. They are on the hook for like 90m for four years - I personally think Kieff and Knight round out there roster. Granted, a lot of this is wishful thinking but there is some rationale for the Cavs to do it

I totally agree. While it is wishful thinking, it gives them a good Kyrie backup, Knight tied in for when JR Smith leaves (if he does) and they have Kieff tied in at a good number. Those injuries hurt them bad in the finals last year too. Even though the talent might be lopsided (although I'm not sure it is), it seems like a good deal for both teams.

I also don't mind keeping Tyson in this scenario. I think he or Len pair well with Love AND we outrebound everyone, and Tyson and Len...one of them is usually injured anyway.

Next year

Bledsoe
Booker/Bodgan
Warren/Draft pick
Love/Draft pick
Tyson/Len

Pick up backup pg and maybe keep Leuer. Now that team 2-4 is awfuf defensively, so that's where a tough nosed defender to play in situations would be needed to allow him to play sometimes with 2 of those 3 at least until Booker and Warren improve defensively.

Of course this kind of continues the conbuild, but it seems we are firmly stuck there, whether us fans like it or not.

[BobbieL]

I totally agree. While it is wishful thinking, it gives them a good Kyrie backup, Knight tied in for when JR Smith leaves (if he does) and they have Kieff tied in at a good number. Those injuries hurt them bad in the finals last year too. Even though the talent might be lopsided (although I'm not sure it is), it seems like a good deal for both teams.

I also don't mind keeping Tyson in this scenario. I think he or Len pair well with Love AND we outrebound everyone, and Tyson and Len...one of them is usually injured anyway.

Next year

Bledsoe
Booker/Bodgan
Warren/Draft pick
Love/Draft pick
Tyson/Len

Pick up backup pg and maybe keep Leuer. Now that team 2-4 is awfuf defensively, so that's where a tough nosed defender to play in situations would be needed to allow him to play sometimes with 2 of those 3 at least until Booker and Warren improve defensively.

Of course this kind of continues the conbuild, but it seems we are firmly stuck there, whether us fans like it or not.

Keeping Tyson is something I can go either way on. If some team is willing to trade him for an expiring (Lee from Boston) - I doubt I would turn it down. But, if the Love deal were to happen - Chandler and love would be a very good rebounding tandem.

I think the Cavs getting Longabardi pretty much scraps the Kieff thing as he has seen first hand what Kieff brings. But again, if LeBron wants Kieff/Knight at the expense of Love - it will happen. I think if the deal would happen, the Suns would get JR Smith and the Cavs would get PJ Tucker.

[bwgood77]

I totally agree. While it is wishful thinking, it gives them a good Kyrie backup, Knight tied in for when JR Smith leaves (if he does) and they have Kieff tied in at a good number. Those injuries hurt them bad in the finals last year too. Even though the talent might be lopsided (although I'm not sure it is), it seems like a good deal for both teams.

I also don't mind keeping Tyson in this scenario. I think he or Len pair well with Love AND we outrebound everyone, and Tyson and Len...one of them is usually injured anyway.

Next year

Bledsoe
Booker/Bodgan
Warren/Draft pick
Love/Draft pick
Tyson/Len

Pick up backup pg and maybe keep Leuer. Now that team 2-4 is awfuf defensively, so that's where a tough nosed defender to play in situations would be needed to allow him to play sometimes with 2 of those 3 at least until Booker and Warren improve defensively.

Of course this kind of continues the conbuild, but it seems we are firmly stuck there, whether us fans like it or not.

Keeping Tyson is something I can go either way on. If some team is willing to trade him for an expiring (Lee from Boston) - I doubt I would turn it down. But, if the Love deal were to happen - Chandler and love would be a very good rebounding tandem.

I think the Cavs getting Longabardi pretty much scraps the Kieff thing as he has seen first hand what Kieff brings. But again, if LeBron wants Kieff/Knight at the expense of Love - it will happen. I think if the deal would happen, the Suns would get JR Smith and the Cavs would get PJ Tucker.

Then again, Longabardi knows Kieff's main beef is with McD and he also knows first hand how good Markieff can be at times.

[bwgood77]

I'd offer up Knight to the Knicks, I think he'd fit quite well there to be honest.

Knight/Afflalo/Melo/Kristaps/RoLo has a good balance to it. Leuer and Calderon would be a nice combo off the bench too with Galloway.

Knight
Leuer

for

Derrick Williams (I dislike him, but slot him in at PF and watch the losses pile up!)
Seraphin - 1yr deal
Amundson - 1yr deal
Jerian Grant - the kicker and why I do the deal. Cheap on his rookie deal and a true pass-first guy, ideal sort of guy to try out over the 2nd half of the season.

Would probably waive Lou and even Williams, though I don't mind Seraphin - but his agent is Rich Paul.

I actually like this deal, honestly. Williams is trash (most likely), but Seraphin gives us another bench big, and yes, Grant has upside, even as an older rookie.

Look, when we offer 'trash', we are likely to receive 'trash' back. Frank is right. These other deals I'm seeing where we trade an inefficient Knight, a troubled Kieff, an expiring Tele and we get back an All-Star in Love is just NOT happening. The Cavs JUST traded the #1 overall pick--a good one in Wiggins, for Love, and they are going to turn around and trade him to us a year later for Kieff, Knight, and other trash? Not going to happen.

At least this deal is realistic, even though I'd want a future 1st back in return, say 2019/2020, since Leuer is still relatively young and showed some promise this season. And Knight is only a year removed from being a borderline All-Star.

I usually hate crazy lopsided trade deals, so I can empathize with you saying that there is no way this is happening, and perhaps I am just really wishfully thinking, but say Cleveland plays better against teams like the Warriors with a starting lineup of Irving/Shumpert/JR Smith/LeBron/Thompson than with Love out there. Love makes the max for them for a long time.

James Jones, Delladova, and JR Smith are all in the last guaranteed years of their deals and Kyrie is injury prone (as is Love).

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/cleveland_cavaliers/

Knight is the perfect guy to lock in, be the first guy off the bench with Kieff for a second unit, and they wouldn't have to worry about losing those guys or having to overpay them and possibly get under the cap.

Maybe we give them their pick back along with those players. Would you do it if we had to give away Knight/Markieff/their pick back/and another lotto protected pick?

[Mulhollanddrive]

Cavs are paying - Love, Thompson, Varejao, Shumpert $56m.

That's almost the entire salary cap on role players in their system.

I think at some stage if they get shipped out with Love as the center piece to dump the others.

[bigfoot]

Every morning I wake up hoping to see Kieff traded ... disappointed yet again

Every afternoon I come across this post and it never fails to make me laugh.

One day I won't have to make this post

[JMac1]

Love has displayed he is a stat padder. Why would we want to spend 100 million on that bum, I mean seriously!?!

[nevetsov]

Love has displayed he is a stat padder. Why would we want to spend 100 million on that bum, I mean seriously!?!

Hopefully we'd flip Love to BOS for the BKN pick this year and salary filler.

We undo the Knight trade by swapping the LAL pick for the BKN pick, and dump Morris. Draft a PF (Simmons/ Bender) and a PG (Dunn):

Bledsoe, Dunn
Booker, Goodwin, Bogdan
Warren, Tucker
Simmons/ Bender, Leuer/ Teletovic
Chandler, Len

[Qwigglez]

Love has displayed he is a stat padder. Why would we want to spend 100 million on that bum, I mean seriously!?!

Stat-padder? Tonight he got 11/6 against his former team. Not much padding there.

Seriously though, I think Love isn't in the right system, and he clearly hasn't adjusted his game like Bosh did to play with Lebron. If a trade of Knight/Morris for Love is an option, I'd take it in a heartbeat no questions asked.
We need to move Knight with Booker showing tremendous promise as our starting shooting guard.

[AtheJ415]

I'd offer up Knight to the Knicks, I think he'd fit quite well there to be honest.

Knight/Afflalo/Melo/Kristaps/RoLo has a good balance to it. Leuer and Calderon would be a nice combo off the bench too with Galloway.

Knight
Leuer

for

Derrick Williams (I dislike him, but slot him in at PF and watch the losses pile up!)
Seraphin - 1yr deal
Amundson - 1yr deal
Jerian Grant - the kicker and why I do the deal. Cheap on his rookie deal and a true pass-first guy, ideal sort of guy to try out over the 2nd half of the season.

Would probably waive Lou and even Williams, though I don't mind Seraphin - but his agent is Rich Paul.

No way Williams would get waived. He's 24 with a 19 PER.

[AtheJ415]

Grant is essentially a 1st round pick - he's a good player on a 4yr deal...

He is really old for a rookie player, and he is not having any impact on a meh team like the Knicks. Low upside.

Who cares though, he's only 23 and had a stellar career in College.

Missed almost two full seasons and came back with a Senior year where he averaged 16.5pt/3.0reb/6.7ast/48%FG 78% FT and better than 3:1 assist to turnover.

I would kill for a PG who had a 3:1 A/T on this team!

He was pretty highly coveted going into the draft and after it was seen as a steal too:
https://www.numberfire.com/nba/news/5573/why-jerian-grant-is-the-steal-of-the-2015-nba-draft

I'm saying if they're going to trade Knight or whoever and actually embrace tanking and giving young guys minutes, if Archie isn't the PG of choice (think most of us can agree while his last 2 games have been great, he isn't a real point guard), then a guy like Grant is a good player to have in the fold on the cheap.

I'm not saying he's better than Archie or Price, but Price should be dealt to a contender if we get any type of 2nd for him or a useful expiring, while Archie should get 25-30mins regardless of whether he starts or is off the bench.

C'mon man. College numbers don't mean much, and when you say trade Knight, who is all of 24, to play the young guys and get a 23 year old back, it doesn't add up. I'm for trading Knight, but don't see the rush to do it this season. Next season when Bledsoe is back, sure, but you don't give up talented 24 year olds to suck more this year, particularly when he's not playing well enough to help us win a ton of games to begin with. Knight is really damn good for a 24 year old. He plays like a moron at times, but to give him away for that little is a horrible move for a rebuilding team.

[AtheJ415]

My favorite rosterbation trade that I've come up with is with OKC

Suns trade Chandler and Knight for Kanter, Waiters, and Payne

Goodwin/Payne
Booker/Waiters
Warren/Tucker
Kanter/Mirza
Len/Kieff

It would be a fun 10 man rotation and give us a ton of flexibility. I know Kanter is a flawed player, but I'd rather watch him than Chandler over the next 4 years. His post game is top-notch and he straight up balls on the offensive end of the court. I absolutely love what Payne brings to the table as a backup for Bledsoe in the future, and bringing him aboard would make Goodwin a tasty asset to move over the summer. Being able to offer a team the bench scoring of Mirza/Waiters/Kieff before the deadline might be able to bring back some assets as well.

I like Payne so I'd be intrigued by this, but would prefer to avoid taking on Kanter (keep Chandler and move him elsewhere instead).

Or, if we're taking Kanter, get Adams back also. Throw in Mirza if needed.

[AtheJ415]

Cavs are paying - Love, Thompson, Varejao, Shumpert $56m.

That's almost the entire salary cap on role players in their system.

I think at some stage if they get shipped out with Love as the center piece to dump the others.

I agree it's too much (Cleveland can thank GM Lebron and his moronic agent for that situation), but there's so much invested in those that they can't really be attached with Love. Maybe 1 of them or an outside shot at 2, but there's simply not many teams with the space to take nearly an entire salary cap on. And at least one of those (Philly) can't really use Love.

[bwgood77]

My favorite rosterbation trade that I've come up with is with OKC

Suns trade Chandler and Knight for Kanter, Waiters, and Payne

Goodwin/Payne
Booker/Waiters
Warren/Tucker
Kanter/Mirza
Len/Kieff

It would be a fun 10 man rotation and give us a ton of flexibility. I know Kanter is a flawed player, but I'd rather watch him than Chandler over the next 4 years. His post game is top-notch and he straight up balls on the offensive end of the court. I absolutely love what Payne brings to the table as a backup for Bledsoe in the future, and bringing him aboard would make Goodwin a tasty asset to move over the summer. Being able to offer a team the bench scoring of Mirza/Waiters/Kieff before the deadline might be able to bring back some assets as well.

I like Payne so I'd be intrigued by this, but would prefer to avoid taking on Kanter (keep Chandler and move him elsewhere instead).

Or, if we're taking Kanter, get Adams back also. Throw in Mirza if needed.

I actually wavered on responding to that one for awhile, because I love Payne was well....and was also thinking I'd probably rather remove the Chandler/Kanter switch, but realized that would likely be needed for a deal like that to get done.

[AtheJ415]

My favorite rosterbation trade that I've come up with is with OKC

Suns trade Chandler and Knight for Kanter, Waiters, and Payne

Goodwin/Payne
Booker/Waiters
Warren/Tucker
Kanter/Mirza
Len/Kieff

It would be a fun 10 man rotation and give us a ton of flexibility. I know Kanter is a flawed player, but I'd rather watch him than Chandler over the next 4 years. His post game is top-notch and he straight up balls on the offensive end of the court. I absolutely love what Payne brings to the table as a backup for Bledsoe in the future, and bringing him aboard would make Goodwin a tasty asset to move over the summer. Being able to offer a team the bench scoring of Mirza/Waiters/Kieff before the deadline might be able to bring back some assets as well.

I like Payne so I'd be intrigued by this, but would prefer to avoid taking on Kanter (keep Chandler and move him elsewhere instead).

Or, if we're taking Kanter, get Adams back also. Throw in Mirza if needed.

I actually wavered on responding to that one for awhile, because I love Payne was well....and was also thinking I'd probably rather remove the Chandler/Kanter switch, but realized that would likely be needed for a deal like that to get done.

They aren't the best trade partners because like Houston, their salaries are top heavy. Another option would be a 3 way where someone else got Kanter and we got picks from them. Maybe Portland?

[NavLDO]

I'd offer up Knight to the Knicks, I think he'd fit quite well there to be honest.

Knight/Afflalo/Melo/Kristaps/RoLo has a good balance to it. Leuer and Calderon would be a nice combo off the bench too with Galloway.

Knight
Leuer

for

Derrick Williams (I dislike him, but slot him in at PF and watch the losses pile up!)
Seraphin - 1yr deal
Amundson - 1yr deal
Jerian Grant - the kicker and why I do the deal. Cheap on his rookie deal and a true pass-first guy, ideal sort of guy to try out over the 2nd half of the season.

Would probably waive Lou and even Williams, though I don't mind Seraphin - but his agent is Rich Paul.

I actually like this deal, honestly. Williams is trash (most likely), but Seraphin gives us another bench big, and yes, Grant has upside, even as an older rookie.

Look, when we offer 'trash', we are likely to receive 'trash' back. Frank is right. These other deals I'm seeing where we trade an inefficient Knight, a troubled Kieff, an expiring Tele and we get back an All-Star in Love is just NOT happening. The Cavs JUST traded the #1 overall pick--a good one in Wiggins, for Love, and they are going to turn around and trade him to us a year later for Kieff, Knight, and other trash? Not going to happen.

At least this deal is realistic, even though I'd want a future 1st back in return, say 2019/2020, since Leuer is still relatively young and showed some promise this season. And Knight is only a year removed from being a borderline All-Star.

I usually hate crazy lopsided trade deals, so I can empathize with you saying that there is no way this is happening, and perhaps I am just really wishfully thinking, but say Cleveland plays better against teams like the Warriors with a starting lineup of Irving/Shumpert/JR Smith/LeBron/Thompson than with Love out there. Love makes the max for them for a long time.

James Jones, Delladova, and JR Smith are all in the last guaranteed years of their deals and Kyrie is injury prone (as is Love).

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/cleveland_cavaliers/

Knight is the perfect guy to lock in, be the first guy off the bench with Kieff for a second unit, and they wouldn't have to worry about losing those guys or having to overpay them and possibly get under the cap.

Maybe we give them their pick back along with those players. Would you do it if we had to give away Knight/Markieff/their pick back/and another lotto protected pick?

I'm not saying I wouldn't, but why, if the Cavs want to shed salary, take on Knight at $14M per for the next 4 years? Doesn't make sense to me, TBH. I think they look for a cheaper option over less years.

[AtheJ415]

I actually like this deal, honestly. Williams is trash (most likely), but Seraphin gives us another bench big, and yes, Grant has upside, even as an older rookie.

Look, when we offer 'trash', we are likely to receive 'trash' back. Frank is right. These other deals I'm seeing where we trade an inefficient Knight, a troubled Kieff, an expiring Tele and we get back an All-Star in Love is just NOT happening. The Cavs JUST traded the #1 overall pick--a good one in Wiggins, for Love, and they are going to turn around and trade him to us a year later for Kieff, Knight, and other trash? Not going to happen.

At least this deal is realistic, even though I'd want a future 1st back in return, say 2019/2020, since Leuer is still relatively young and showed some promise this season. And Knight is only a year removed from being a borderline All-Star.

I usually hate crazy lopsided trade deals, so I can empathize with you saying that there is no way this is happening, and perhaps I am just really wishfully thinking, but say Cleveland plays better against teams like the Warriors with a starting lineup of Irving/Shumpert/JR Smith/LeBron/Thompson than with Love out there. Love makes the max for them for a long time.

James Jones, Delladova, and JR Smith are all in the last guaranteed years of their deals and Kyrie is injury prone (as is Love).

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/cleveland_cavaliers/

Knight is the perfect guy to lock in, be the first guy off the bench with Kieff for a second unit, and they wouldn't have to worry about losing those guys or having to overpay them and possibly get under the cap.

Maybe we give them their pick back along with those players. Would you do it if we had to give away Knight/Markieff/their pick back/and another lotto protected pick?

I'm not saying I wouldn't, but why, if the Cavs want to shed salary, take on Knight at $14M per for the next 4 years? Doesn't make sense to me, TBH. I think they look for a cheaper option over less years.

It's not about shedding salary though. They're so far over the cap that shedding his salary doesn't do much good because they can't sign anybody into the space. It's about replacing Love's salary with somebody who they can use better in their system than the value Love provides. Knight and Kieff provide good shooting (although not Love's rebounding), additional depth, and most importantly, better defense against small lineups. Knight is a horrid defender, but so is Love, and Knight can guard a PG or SG better than Love, while Kieff is just a much better defender than Love all around.

If you're not going to use Love as an offensive weapon, which Cleveland really doesn't, then you're better off with a spacer who can play D, similar to Houston being better with Beverly than Lawson because Harden has the ball 95% of the time anyways. Kieff alone, I'd argue, would improve Cleveland since they insist on misusing Love, simply because if he's not going to get the ball in the spots he's effective offensively, then defense essentially decides his value. Love's only advantage would be his 3 point shooting, but it doesn't provide that much additional spacing compared to Kieff's elite mid-range game.

[bwgood77]

Spoiler:

I usually hate crazy lopsided trade deals, so I can empathize with you saying that there is no way this is happening, and perhaps I am just really wishfully thinking, but say Cleveland plays better against teams like the Warriors with a starting lineup of Irving/Shumpert/JR Smith/LeBron/Thompson than with Love out there. Love makes the max for them for a long time.

James Jones, Delladova, and JR Smith are all in the last guaranteed years of their deals and Kyrie is injury prone (as is Love).

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/cleveland_cavaliers/

Knight is the perfect guy to lock in, be the first guy off the bench with Kieff for a second unit, and they wouldn't have to worry about losing those guys or having to overpay them and possibly get under the cap.

Maybe we give them their pick back along with those players. Would you do it if we had to give away Knight/Markieff/their pick back/and another lotto protected pick?

I'm not saying I wouldn't, but why, if the Cavs want to shed salary, take on Knight at $14M per for the next 4 years? Doesn't make sense to me, TBH. I think they look for a cheaper option over less years.

It's not about shedding salary though. They're so far over the cap that shedding his salary doesn't do much good because they can't sign anybody into the space. It's about replacing Love's salary with somebody who they can use better in their system than the value Love provides. Knight and Kieff provide good shooting (although not Love's rebounding), additional depth, and most importantly, better defense against small lineups. Knight is a horrid defender, but so is Love, and Knight can guard a PG or SG better than Love, while Kieff is just a much better defender than Love all around.

If you're not going to use Love as an offensive weapon, which Cleveland really doesn't, then you're better off with a spacer who can play D, similar to Houston being better with Beverly than Lawson because Harden has the ball 95% of the time anyways. Kieff alone, I'd argue, would improve Cleveland since they insist on misusing Love, simply because if he's not going to get the ball in the spots he's effective offensively, then defense essentially decides his value. Love's only advantage would be his 3 point shooting, but it doesn't provide that much additional spacing compared to Kieff's elite mid-range game.

I think this is a super spot on post. As bad as these guys have looked for us much of this season due to multiple reasons, they could probably give Cleveland a MUCH deeper team and kind of clear cap problems..two guys for one who provide more when you consider everything.