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Re: Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max 

Post#1061 » by Flash4thewin » Tue Jan 26, 2016 1:05 am

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Hoops23 wrote:from Greg Cote 100% no... This current group will not make it.. Heat needs to re-tool this summer.

That's simply wrong. Keeping Whiteside only means that he's the best player we can sign for the money. We could always turn around and trade him or any of our other players later.

So you said its simply wrong.
Then you think this current core will win a championship. Are you serious??
Miami is currently at 8th place and possibly out of the 8th spot soon. How can you say this current group will win a championship when in fact their struggling to be at the top 4 spot in the east???

This current core will not win a championship!!! Using most of the cap space to Whiteside makes this team basically the same, and that's what the article is saying. That's why Miami's cap space this off-season is so valuable that it should be use properly.


You are missing that we will have to make trades to get better and develop our draft picks. Paying Batum 18+ mil wont get us any closer to a championship team will it? Yes this core will not win a championship thats for sure but championships are not built overnight.
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Re: Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max 

Post#1062 » by KingDavid » Tue Jan 26, 2016 1:11 am

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Greater volume would help but aside from that, I can see criticism from Heat fans or NBA fans in general on social media starting to get to him (if it didn't before)

If it's that good, we need to use it much more. Changes the whole game.
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Re: Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max 

Post#1063 » by Hoops23 » Tue Jan 26, 2016 1:22 am

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N82WILL wrote: It's not your money, so who cares?

Pure **** truth.

Its not our money is right.. Even if they give him $200m, who cares.. You can also say, its not our team, who cares the result of giving Whiteside the max if they missed the playoffs. Its not our money!
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Re: Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max 

Post#1064 » by Hoops23 » Tue Jan 26, 2016 1:32 am

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contract wrote:That's simply wrong. Keeping Whiteside only means that he's the best player we can sign for the money. We could always turn around and trade him or any of our other players later.

So you said its simply wrong.
Then you think this current core will win a championship. Are you serious??
Miami is currently at 8th place and possibly out of the 8th spot soon. How can you say this current group will win a championship when in fact their struggling to be at the top 4 spot in the east???

This current core will not win a championship!!! Using most of the cap space to Whiteside makes this team basically the same, and that's what the article is saying. That's why Miami's cap space this off-season is so valuable that it should be use properly.


You are missing that we will have to make trades to get better and develop our draft picks. Paying Batum 18+ mil wont get us any closer to a championship team will it? Yes this core will not win a championship thats for sure but championships are not built overnight.

I'm not saying give the money to Batum especially at that much. But use the cap space well.

Yes trades helps. But you can't simply say make trades. It will take an asset to receive asset too. Remember, our picks are already mortgage, two with Phoenix and 1 with Philly, and not to mention the 2nd round picks. Dumping McRoberts contract to add with the cap space is needed to accommodate Whiteside getting his money but problem we luck assets.

Yes, Championship are not built over night, but my argument, the Heat cap space this coming off-season is vital to our success because we might not have this opportunity again coz we luck assets, and cap space may come again when both or either Bosh and Dragic's contract expires. If its allowed by rule and Miami gave Whiteside $40m and still has left to add another big name player to go along our group, then I'm fine with it. I value our cap space coz I think its our only big asset left. We need to act now while Bosh, Dragic and Wade stills contribute.
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Re: Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max 

Post#1065 » by KingDavid » Tue Jan 26, 2016 1:35 am

Hoops23 wrote:
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N82WILL wrote: It's not your money, so who cares?

Pure **** truth.

Its not our money is right.. Even if they give him $200m, who cares.. You can also say, its not our team, who cares the result of giving Whiteside the max if they missed the playoffs. Its not our money!

We have no control over anything this team does. You want to spike your blood pressure worrying about something you have no clue or control about, be my guest. Idgaf what this team does as long as we keep trying to move forward.
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Re: Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max 

Post#1066 » by Hoops23 » Tue Jan 26, 2016 1:41 am

KingDavid wrote:
Hoops23 wrote:
KingDavid wrote:Pure **** truth.

Its not our money is right.. Even if they give him $200m, who cares.. You can also say, its not our team, who cares the result of giving Whiteside the max if they missed the playoffs. Its not our money!

We have no control over anything this team does. You want to spike your blood pressure worrying about something you have no clue or control about, be my guest. Idgaf what this team does as long as we keep trying to move forward.

:lol: Ha ha... :lol:
I agree, we dont have control over the matter, but most of us here are giving suggestions and and commenting which is part of the board about. Just saying what the Heat might be..... Just a big fan of the Heat showing concerns.
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Re: Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max 

Post#1067 » by Rich2Hassan » Tue Jan 26, 2016 3:15 am

No some posters are really close to having a heart attack trying to convince the world, why the HEAT shouldn't pay this guy the Max. Just be a fan, we have no control over Mickey's bank account. The sooner some acceptthe fact that this young man will get paid for his god given gifts, the better your experience of being a fan will be.
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Re: Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max 

Post#1068 » by D' Winner Within » Tue Jan 26, 2016 3:30 am

Yes we don't have control to what Heat management wants. If they dont want to give Whiteside the max contract, be it. We have no control. Some acceptable fact about this young man will be revealed soon.

Whiteside will be paid a big amount next season, no doubt he deserves it. But for a max contract, that remains to be seen.
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Re: Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max 

Post#1069 » by Heat3 » Tue Jan 26, 2016 6:42 am

This season, one of these guys has a max contract....the other is Whiteside.

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yeah, I think Whiteside gonna get his max whether it be here or somewhere else :lol:
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Re: Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max 

Post#1070 » by Flash4thewin » Tue Jan 26, 2016 2:50 pm

Hoops23 wrote:
Flash4thewin wrote:
Hoops23 wrote:So you said its simply wrong.
Then you think this current core will win a championship. Are you serious??
Miami is currently at 8th place and possibly out of the 8th spot soon. How can you say this current group will win a championship when in fact their struggling to be at the top 4 spot in the east???

This current core will not win a championship!!! Using most of the cap space to Whiteside makes this team basically the same, and that's what the article is saying. That's why Miami's cap space this off-season is so valuable that it should be use properly.


You are missing that we will have to make trades to get better and develop our draft picks. Paying Batum 18+ mil wont get us any closer to a championship team will it? Yes this core will not win a championship thats for sure but championships are not built overnight.

I'm not saying give the money to Batum especially at that much. But use the cap space well.

Yes trades helps. But you can't simply say make trades. It will take an asset to receive asset too. Remember, our picks are already mortgage, two with Phoenix and 1 with Philly, and not to mention the 2nd round picks. Dumping McRoberts contract to add with the cap space is needed to accommodate Whiteside getting his money but problem we luck assets.

Yes, Championship are not built over night, but my argument, the Heat cap space this coming off-season is vital to our success because we might not have this opportunity again coz we luck assets, and cap space may come again when both or either Bosh and Dragic's contract expires. If its allowed by rule and Miami gave Whiteside $40m and still has left to add another big name player to go along our group, then I'm fine with it. I value our cap space coz I think its our only big asset left. We need to act now while Bosh, Dragic and Wade stills contribute.


Thats as huge problem because everyone and there grandmother will have money to throw around at players. If it was just two teams with space we can kinda dictate things. RIght now there are so many teams will $$$ to throw around its going to be a players market so no matter what we will end up over paying. As an example Batum at 18+ was more on the low side. If two teams with cap want him, watch him get paid way more. All the players we will be going after will also have other suitors so we will need to as they say pay up or shut up. Thats why its going to be very hard almost impossible to use our cap space the way we would like. Everyone is going to be overpaid or paid markets value
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Re: Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max 

Post#1071 » by QUIZ » Tue Jan 26, 2016 3:19 pm

KingDavid wrote:We have no control over anything this team does. You want to spike your blood pressure worrying about something you have no clue or control about, be my guest. Idgaf what this team does as long as we keep trying to move forward.

Thank you. When I pinned this thread I intended it to be a place to discuss and even celebrate the continuation of Whiteside's amazing journey, whether it be with the Heat or elsewhere. Instead it's turned into a poop flinging contest between people who want Hassan and people who don't.

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Re: Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max 

Post#1072 » by Hoops23 » Wed Jan 27, 2016 12:51 am

Flash4thewin wrote:Thats as huge problem because everyone and there grandmother will have money to throw around at players. If it was just two teams with space we can kinda dictate things. RIght now there are so many teams will $$$ to throw around its going to be a players market so no matter what we will end up over paying. As an example Batum at 18+ was more on the low side. If two teams with cap want him, watch him get paid way more. All the players we will be going after will also have other suitors so we will need to as they say pay up or shut up. Thats why its going to be very hard almost impossible to use our cap space the way we would like. Everyone is going to be overpaid or paid markets value

There's no argument there, lots of teams has $$$ to throw and I believe there will be a lot of overpaying coz thats how you're going to compete to big market teams and a team like the Heat who is a free agent players preferred destination. I agree with that and thats not my point of argument. My point is the priority of the Heat's cap space, that its should be use to the best free agent available first, before you go to others. It should be in order, top 1 to on wards. And even you have the cap space to sign a certain player, you just don't use it just for the sake of using it. Batum may have a market value of $18m+ but the question is, should you use it to him or not.
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Re: Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max 

Post#1073 » by D' Winner Within » Wed Jan 27, 2016 1:38 am

some posters here are so attached to Whiteside instead of the Heat.
They dont care about the Heat but just Whiteside sake.
some thinks that when you argue about Hassan, they think you hate him.
some argue for the sake of the Heat, while some argue for the sake of Hassan.
some say, who cares about the money since we're not the one paying, and they don't care the effect to the team, but they call themselves Miami Heat fans.
some are so concern about the Heat, and argue, even they will be hate, and same with the concerned Whiteside defender. I guess that is part of the board.
some failed to see the reason why they argue not to give Whiteside the max, and find this poster a Whiteside hater;

All I know, if whiteside continues to perform well and be consistent, he will be paid big money. By whom? We will see soon.

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Re: Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max 

Post#1074 » by gom » Wed Jan 27, 2016 4:36 am

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Re: Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max 

Post#1075 » by D' Winner Within » Wed Jan 27, 2016 7:29 am

3 reason its time to move Hassan
1. He doesn't pass
Hassan Whiteside can block shots, and he can dunk and he can roll. But he can’t, or doesn’t, pass. Whichever it is, Whiteside has just 14 assists all season. He has 20 in his entire career. In more than 100 games, in nearly 2,500 minutes played, Whiteside has assisted a teammate 20 times.

2. Limited offensively
Hassan is making 78.1 percent of his shots near the rim. That’s an incredible, LeBron-like rate. However, he’s making less than 40 percent of his shots away from the rim overall, per NBA.com.

3. Money
Despite these inefficiencies in his game, Whiteside is going to get paid. The Heat will have their price. Maybe they will be willing to pay him $12 million a year. Even if that’s true, Whiteside is going to have offers of millions more a year than that.

A team may come to Whiteside with a maximum offer, willing to make him the center piece of its defense and offense. Who knows. The Los Angeles Lakers and Brooklyn Nets like to spend money and they’re desperate for difference makers.

Keeping Whiteside at a moderate rate could be a good move for Miami. After all, he’s a rebounding, shot blocking beast. There is major value in offensive rebounding and rim protection, and the Heat would be smart to offer him a contract. But a maximum contract is just too much for someone with so many offensive inefficiences and who, frankly, doesn’t fit what the Heat want to do.
Ultimately, that’s what this comes down to. Whiteside is a good player–potentially great player–but his place may not be in Miami. Spoelstra and the Heat want to pick up the pace and spread the floor, two things that Whiteside can’t do and prevents Miami from doing. For those reasons, it’s time to move on.

One and two reason is no big deal for the Heat, I think they can deal with it coz his shot blocking and rebounding can make up for it. But the money reason is the big issue. We fans don't care coz we're not the one paying, but I bet the Heat does. No doubt, he will be paid, but will Miami sign him the max?

The Lakers targeting Hassan
NBA trade rumors are stating that the Los Angeles Lakers are targeting Miami Heat center Hassan Whiteside in a trade because they don’t want another team swooping him up before he becomes a free agent after the season ends, according to ESPN Insider.

Since the Los Angeles Lakers know that they will not be the only suitor for Hassan Whiteside, Mitch Kupchak and team owner Jim Buss might be inclined to be progressive by giving Miami Heat General Manager Pat Riley a phone call to see what it would take to pry their starting center away.

an interesting trade that could take place would see the Los Angeles Lakers sending Nick Young, a guard that never met a shot that he didn’t like, and draft picks to the Miami Heat in exchange for Hassan Whiteside, who would immediately replace Roy Hibbert in the starting lineup, and Chris Anderson, a pseudo cheerleader who is thrown in to make the salaries match.

For the Los Angeles Lakers, the trade would enable Mitch Kupchak to get first crack at signing Hassan Whiteside to what should be a near maximum contract, while also adding a fourth building block to go with D’Angelo Russell, Jordan Clarkson, and Julius Randle, a core that might be appealing to other young free agent superstars.
Yeah Kupchak might call the Heat but Riley will say, "sorry I'm busy" after offering Young. They praise Hassan a lot in the article but their trade suggestion doesn't match his value. Heat trade two big man for Young who is erratic. WTF! Even they sub McRoberts for Birdman is no good deal. HEAT PASS with this one!

Heat forced to move Whiteside?? per Morning News
The Heat are in a predicament since they don’t own the Bird Rights to Whiteside. Therefore, a team like the Lakers, with a lot more cap room than Heat, will have the opportunity to pry Whiteside away from South Beach.

For the Heat to retain Whiteside, the leading shot blocker in the league, they would have to either convince Dwayne Wade to take a pay cut or choose between Whiteside and their longtime franchise player. Clearly, that won’t be an easy decision for Riley’s camp

If Heat trade Whiteside to Lakers, they can still get a valuable asset or two in return. But if they don’t trade the big man, they risk losing him next year for nothing. It’s definitely a predicament.

Since Whiteside is still earning less than a million a year, it won’t be very difficult for the Lakers to pull off a trade. However, the Heat would expect nothing less than a package of prized lottery picks D’Angelo Russell and Julius Randle. The Lakers have previously stated that Russell and Randle are “untradeable.” However, a deal for Whiteside could change that stance.
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Re: Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max 

Post#1076 » by gom » Wed Jan 27, 2016 9:07 am

Yeah, I'm sure the Lakers would be willing to give up their first round picks on rookie contracts for a player that can sign anywhere in July. You should stop spamming the board.

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Re: Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max 

Post#1077 » by RexBoyWonder » Wed Jan 27, 2016 12:18 pm

What Gom said. Trade isn't happening.

We'll offer him what we think is fair, max or a little below max. If he takes it, great. I think he will.

If he doesn't, you move on.

I ain't worried, We hold the cards in our hands. If Pat/Spo feels he deserves the max, we can offer it. If they feel he doesn't, it means they have a better plan in place. It's in our hands.

Still a lot of basketball left, let's see how he does the rest of the season and especially in the playoffs.
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Re: Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max 

Post#1078 » by Flash4thewin » Wed Jan 27, 2016 4:24 pm

RexBoyWonder wrote:What Gom said. Trade isn't happening.

We'll offer him what we think is fair, max or a little below max. If he takes it, great. I think he will.

If he doesn't, you move on.

I ain't worried, We hold the cards in our hands. If Pat/Spo feels he deserves the max, we can offer it. If they feel he doesn't, it means they have a better plan in place. It's in our hands.

Still a lot of basketball left, let's see how he does the rest of the season and especially in the playoffs.


By actual definition we hold no cards in this. This is not in our hands at all.

At the end of the day its Whiteside that will decide what he wants which is fair. Its like saying we hold the cards in our hand by offering a max to Lebron and he just walked away, or this offseason saying we hold the cards by offering Durant a max. Thats the actual issue, we have no cards we really have no power because we lack his bird rights. We cant offer more money or more years and we dont even know if we want to keep him. Also since we have no bird rights this wont a like a restricted free agent where its get an offer and we will match him type situation. Trust in Pat is the answer here, he has earned it. I still think we try to make some type of trade to get either more cap space or get a player under contract and try to pass this years free agency. Think the JO trade because the only free agent at the time was Boozer.
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Re: Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max 

Post#1079 » by Heat_Fan_87 » Wed Jan 27, 2016 4:45 pm

We are either going to overpay for whiteside or get pennies on the dollar in a trade or lose him for nothing in the summer. Non of those sound like great options.
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Re: Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max 

Post#1080 » by smartcane » Wed Jan 27, 2016 5:22 pm

RexBoyWonder wrote:What Gom said. Trade isn't happening.

We'll offer him what we think is fair, max or a little below max. If he takes it, great. I think he will.

If he doesn't, you move on.

I ain't worried, We hold the cards in our hands. If Pat/Spo feels he deserves the max, we can offer it. If they feel he doesn't, it means they have a better plan in place. It's in our hands.

Still a lot of basketball left, let's see how he does the rest of the season and especially in the playoffs.


I would just add that if Whiteside stays or go it will not come down to money. It will come down to how Whiteside see his future. This would be the situation with or without Whiteside's Bird rights. With the salary cap increasing every team can offer around the same amount of money. There are also Very good big like Horford, Gasol, Howard, Noah and Serviceable ones in Hibbert and Mozgov who will be available for the same amount or less. The above list makes it foolish for any team to trade for whiteside now and foolish for the heat to really worry about it now. I for one would miss Whiteside if he leaves but would get over it if we get any of the first four i mentioned. Think about Having Gasol and Bosh or Bosh and Horford or Bosh and Howard even Bosh and Noah. Any of those four combinations is on par with Bosh and Whiteside and may be a better long term fit with Dragic.

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