Official Trade Thread - Part XXX

[dckingsfan]

I love how we're thinking up ways the Wizards could trade for guys they could have drafted...in the second round...not long ago.

Kind of misses the point that until the GM changes we are doomed. Well, not really - it is an overwhelming consensus on the board.

[deneem4]

I don't think its a sure bet that he gains the weight though. If he's not added a ton of weight by training camp then I say he is what he is at that point. That would be three straight years of NBA weight training off seasons. People forget how skinny Wall was as a rookie. You can look at his weight gain over the years and see the growth. Haven't seen much of any change in Otto.

Otto has gotten taller it should start to fill now since he's finish growing

[AFM]

I love how we're thinking up ways the Wizards could trade for guys they could have drafted...in the second round...not long ago.

Who cares? Randy won't play them anyway, if they're under the age of 28.
Randy keeps playing 29 year old Temple when Oubre is equally as mediocre and could actually use the "valuable burn" (to borrow millie's phrase).

[Ruzious]

I don't think its a sure bet that he gains the weight though. If he's not added a ton of weight by training camp then I say he is what he is at that point. That would be three straight years of NBA weight training off seasons. People forget how skinny Wall was as a rookie. You can look at his weight gain over the years and see the growth. Haven't seen much of any change in Otto.

Otto has gotten taller it should start to fill now since he's finish growing

Oh yeah, during that meteor shower last year, Otto became a 7 footer, and Beal and Wall grew to 6'7. Hopefully, there are no side effects.

[deneem4]

I don't think its a sure bet that he gains the weight though. If he's not added a ton of weight by training camp then I say he is what he is at that point. That would be three straight years of NBA weight training off seasons. People forget how skinny Wall was as a rookie. You can look at his weight gain over the years and see the growth. Haven't seen much of any change in Otto.

Otto has gotten taller it should start to fill now since he's finish growing

Oh yeah, during that meteor shower last year, Otto became a 7 footer, and Beal and Wall grew to 6'7. Hopefully, there are no side effects.

No its called aging from 19 to 22...its possible to get taller isn't it? Or do players stop growing once they're drafted???

[Ruzious]

Otto has gotten taller it should start to fill now since he's finish growing

Oh yeah, during that meteor shower last year, Otto became a 7 footer, and Beal and Wall grew to 6'7. Hopefully, there are no side effects.

No its called aging from 19 to 22...its possible to get taller isn't it? Or do players stop growing once they're drafted???

It's not a rule, but I think most players have stopped getting taller by the time they're drafted. Everyone's different. If you have some evidence that he's gotten taller, I'd be happy to hear it.

[verbal8]

I love how we're thinking up ways the Wizards could trade for guys they could have drafted...in the second round...not long ago.

In other words:

value of good GM > any tradeable assets EG has acquired

[TheSecretWeapon]

I love how we're thinking up ways the Wizards could trade for guys they could have drafted...in the second round...not long ago.

Who cares? Randy won't play them anyway, if they're under the age of 28.
Randy keeps playing 29 year old Temple when Oubre is equally as mediocre and could actually use the "valuable burn" (to borrow millie's phrase).

Temple has played better than Oubre this season.

[nuposse04]

Otto has gotten taller it should start to fill now since he's finish growing

Oh yeah, during that meteor shower last year, Otto became a 7 footer, and Beal and Wall grew to 6'7. Hopefully, there are no side effects.

No its called aging from 19 to 22...its possible to get taller isn't it? Or do players stop growing once they're drafted???

Most people are about as tall as they are going to be around 18. Some can grow incrementally up until 21. Past that isn't the norm, nor should one reasonably expect that.

As a side, "male endowment" is also pretty much set in stone by 16.5 years of age #TheMoreYouKnow

[wickerhd]

Reading through your thread, I see almost no interest in keeping Jared Dudley beyond 2016. Don't see you guys except when you're playing the Celtics, but he often looks like the second best guy on your team. Any interest in moving him as a rental for two Minny seconds?


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[queridiculo]

Reading through your thread, I see almost no interest in keeping Jared Dudley beyond 2016. Don't see you guys except when you're playing the Celtics, but he often looks like the second best guy on your team. Any interest in moving him as a rental for two Minny seconds?


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Deal.

[Dark Faze]

if high seconds then deal

[TGW]

Reading through your thread, I see almost no interest in keeping Jared Dudley beyond 2016. Don't see you guys except when you're playing the Celtics, but he often looks like the second best guy on your team. Any interest in moving him as a rental for two Minny seconds?


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For any other GM in the league, this is a no brainer. For this GM, you'd have been better off offering two expired twinkies.

Our GM does not want nor values 2nd rounders.

[nate33]

Reading through your thread, I see almost no interest in keeping Jared Dudley beyond 2016. Don't see you guys except when you're playing the Celtics, but he often looks like the second best guy on your team. Any interest in moving him as a rental for two Minny seconds?


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For any other GM in the league, this is a no brainer. For this GM, you'd have been better off offering two expired twinkies.

Our GM does not want nor values 2nd rounders.

To be fair, I'm sure the Wizards aren't ready to throw in the towel and commit to tanking. We are still just 2 games out of 8th place and 3 games out of 5th place. Given our lack of depth at PF, dumping Dudley is likely to cost us a couple of wins. Those wins might be the difference in making the playoffs and earning Ted millions in ticket revenue from a playoff series.

If we fell 5 or 6 games behind the 8th seed by the Trade Deadline, then I'd hope to see a trade. But as long as we are still in the mix, there is no chance EG trades win now talent for future picks.

[Ruzious]

Just wait a month, and we'll have our choice between Love and Blake Griffin to trade for.

[payitforward]

I love how we're thinking up ways the Wizards could trade for guys they could have drafted...in the second round...not long ago.

Oh, we've had lots of posts here about how unimportant R2 picks are, about how if they're good they wind up somewhere else, etc. etc. etc.

Meanwhile, we've had some of our R1 picks wind up somewhere else -- often it's out of the league altogether. Since the moment we picked John Wall, we've owned 14 picks. We've acquired 3 young players w/ them. What a sterling record!!

[payitforward]

You will (or maybe won't) recall that in the run-up to the 2012 draft, I called for a radical trade down strategy as follows:

a. Trade our #3 pick to the Blazers for their #s 6 & 11. Take Drummond #6.
b. Trade the #11 pick to Houston for their #s 16 & 18. Take Terrence Jones # 18.
c. Trade the #16 pick to Boston for their #s 21 & 22. Take Jared Sullinger #21.
d. Trade the #22 pick to Dallas for their #s 33 & 34.
e. Take Jae Crowder, Draymond Green & Will Barton with our #32 pick and the just-acquired #s 33 & 34.
f. Take Kyle O'Quinn with our #46 pick (except of course we'd thrown that away for no reason in the Okariza trade).

6 of the best young players in the game today. Add them to Kawhi Leonard, Kenneth Faried & Chandler Parsons taken in 2011, and Porter and anybody-but-GRIII (Joffrey Lauvergne?) in 2013, and... I don't know maybe Clint Capela and Jordan Clarkson in 2014? Plus Kelly Oubre and who knows who in 2015.

Now... no one bats 1000, so I'm sure I might have wound up with Biyombo & Tobias Harris instead of Leonard and Faried in 11, for example. And maybe Lillard in place of Drummond in '12 -- who knows?

One thing is for sure: I wouldn't have "the rights to Tomas Satoransky" whatever that means and is worth! And I would have signed Gortat as a FA rather than having to over-pay for him in a trade when the bottom fell out of our bucket. We'd be a very different and very good team I'm pretty sure.

[TGW]

Reading through your thread, I see almost no interest in keeping Jared Dudley beyond 2016. Don't see you guys except when you're playing the Celtics, but he often looks like the second best guy on your team. Any interest in moving him as a rental for two Minny seconds?


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For any other GM in the league, this is a no brainer. For this GM, you'd have been better off offering two expired twinkies.

Our GM does not want nor values 2nd rounders.

To be fair, I'm sure the Wizards aren't ready to throw in the towel and commit to tanking. We are still just 2 games out of 8th place and 3 games out of 5th place. Given our lack of depth at PF, dumping Dudley is likely to cost us a couple of wins. Those wins might be the difference in making the playoffs and earning Ted millions in ticket revenue from a playoff series.

If we fell 5 or 6 games behind the 8th seed by the Trade Deadline, then I'd hope to see a trade. But as long as we are still in the mix, there is no chance EG trades win now talent for future picks.

IMHO, the reason the Wizards are losing now is because of Dudley at the 4. And that's not to say that's Dudley's fault--he plays within himself, and overall I'd say he's a good player. But one of the team's biggest problems is that Dudley is physically not able to win matchups as a power forward. He may hit a couple of threes and spread the floor for us offensively, but defensively he can't keep other bigs off the boards and he doesn't challenge in the paint. I think whatever benefit he has on offense and wholly negated by his shortcomings defensively. Again, that's not his fault because he's being forced to play out of position.

I think at this point, if you could get something like 2 2nd rounders for him, you take that and run. Play Nene and Hump at the four and play a real lineup.

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

Oh yeah, during that meteor shower last year, Otto became a 7 footer, and Beal and Wall grew to 6'7. Hopefully, there are no side effects.

No its called aging from 19 to 22...its possible to get taller isn't it? Or do players stop growing once they're drafted???

Most people are about as tall as they are going to be around 18. Some can grow incrementally up until 21. Past that isn't the norm, nor should one reasonably expect that.

As a side, "male endowment" is also pretty much set in stone by 16.5 years of age #TheMoreYouKnow

It was a long time ago, but I do remember my endowment being pretty much perpetually set in stone while I was 16.

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

I love how we're thinking up ways the Wizards could trade for guys they could have drafted...in the second round...not long ago.

Who cares? Randy won't play them anyway, if they're under the age of 28.
Randy keeps playing 29 year old Temple when Oubre is equally as mediocre and could actually use the "valuable burn" (to borrow millie's phrase).

Temple has played better than Oubre this season.

My issue is less with Temple's valuable burn than with Neal's.

IMHO there is no justification for having Towson's finest ahead in the rotation over our most valuable, and developable young asset.

Neal seems like a good guy and he can fill it up, but on the defensive side of the ball, he is what he is - and that's not good.