Can we wait until end of next season to acquire a legit PG?

[moocow007]

Apparently Lin has been playing defense this year...


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Has he learned to go left yet?

Calderon is 33 and he hasn't figure out to go any direction yet so I wouldn't hold going left against Lin there.

[GONYK]

i agree that we dont need a desparation trade for pg but we need to try some of those FA.

we saw ish smith's immediate effect.
believe me or not t.wroten could impact that way.

Whose spot is Wroten going to take in the rotation?

I wouldn't mind picking him up to provide some penetration, but I don't see him overtaking anyone but Grant really

i hope he can get some minutes from calderon and grant. in that situation vujacic would be out i guess.
unless we took calderon's minutes we cant expect improvement.
calderon really cant defend at all. wroten would be improvement on defensive end. he also drives much more than calderon. we've seen flashes from j.grant but thats not enough.

i think we need to get rid of d.fisher and sign Thibs or another legit coach before making big trades but FA signing are pretty risk-free things. wroten might become a starter for this season or 3rd wheel pg/sg over vujacic. either way i would try it.

Vujacic plays around 50-60 mins a month. He's not even worth considering really.

If you want Wroten to take some minutes away from Calderon and Grant, then you are essentially advocating for 4 players to play one position each game (Calderon, Gallo, Grant, Wroten) which is a little unrealistic. Wroten really won't see enough time to make any kind of impact unless he replaces Grant entirely.

Wroten will not start. He's simply not good enough for that to even be a consideration.

Phil will not hire Thibs or any other coach this season either, so that expectation should be released as well.

The only answer is to really trade for a starter. 10 day players aren't going to make a difference with this team. We aren't the 17-win team where we could start a bunch of 10 day players.

Calderon will not be moved without some asset going with him. That is the biggest issue.

[GONYK]

Erick Green just signed with Utah. Cotton signing in China. Toure Murry, Elliott Williams are available. Wroten too. But I think Phil is going with home grown talent or a trade. I think that either Fredette or Trice are better than a starting Jose right now. Jose would be okay playing 15 to 20 minutes off of the bench, defending a nonpenetrating backup guard.

Neither of them penetrate or defend, both are smaller than Jose, and Jose is the best shooter out of all three.

Nothing suggests they would be better.

[j4remi]

We need to acquire a stop gap. No Williams got two years and a team with two pg's. Phil needs to work magic


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[Thugger HBC]

I realize as fans we tend to believe we know what the team needs, but be honest.....

Can you say with a straight face that our guard rotation (pg in particular) wasn't by design? I cant truthfully say it wasn't, and between the summer and now there has been plenty of opportunities to make upgrades even in a starting role.

It's a main reason while I know our rotation is ****, I complain very little about it because until I see otherwise, this particular crop is what they want.

[vincccent]

Jeremy Lin as a starter:
18 Pts / 4 Assists / 4 Rebounds - 46% FG / 41% 3PT

Drives per game (all games): 7.8

Joses drives per game: 2.1
Jose is behind guys like Kelly Olynyk, Steve Blake and even Andre Miller drives more to the basket (2.3).

[reub]

Trice and Fredette are both better shooters. Jose's percentages is high because he only takes wide open shots and just a handful a game. His high percentage is meaningless because he doesn't shoot. His height advantage is meaningless because of his lack of speed, strength or stamina.

[NYKnicksTAPE]

Trice and Fredette are both better shooters. Jose's percentages is high because he only takes wide open shots and just a handful a game. His high percentage is meaningless because he doesn't shoot. His height advantage is meaningless because of his lack of speed, strength or stamina.

Lol at Trice and Jimmer being better than Jose

[Thugger HBC]

Trice and Fredette are both better shooters. Jose's percentages is high because he only takes wide open shots and just a handful a game. His high percentage is meaningless because he doesn't shoot. His height advantage is meaningless because of his lack of speed, strength or stamina.

Not sure how you've arrived at them being better shooter when one hasn't established that he can get off a single shot in the NBA as he hasn't played there yet, and the other was garbage in all facets of basketball during his NBA time.

Both could be more aggressive on offense than Calderon for sure, but there's no way either become or be better shooters.

[GONYK]

Trice and Fredette are both better shooters. Jose's percentages is high because he only takes wide open shots and just a handful a game. His high percentage is meaningless because he doesn't shoot. His height advantage is meaningless because of his lack of speed, strength or stamina.

Trice is a 30% 3pt shooter in the D-League. If you can't shoot down there, you can't shoot. Period.

Jimmer is a career 38% 3pt shooter in the NBA on 505 attempts. Jose is a career 41% on 1968 attempts.

On a vastly larger sample size, Jose is still outshooting him by a wide margin, so your attempts argument isn't really valid.

This is without also mentioning that Jimmer is not a PG and is a much worse defender who is just as slow footed.

[ozwizard8]

Whose spot is Wroten going to take in the rotation?

I wouldn't mind picking him up to provide some penetration, but I don't see him overtaking anyone but Grant really

i hope he can get some minutes from calderon and grant. in that situation vujacic would be out i guess.
unless we took calderon's minutes we cant expect improvement.
calderon really cant defend at all. wroten would be improvement on defensive end. he also drives much more than calderon. we've seen flashes from j.grant but thats not enough.

i think we need to get rid of d.fisher and sign Thibs or another legit coach before making big trades but FA signing are pretty risk-free things. wroten might become a starter for this season or 3rd wheel pg/sg over vujacic. either way i would try it.

Vujacic plays around 50-60 mins a month. He's not even worth considering really.

If you want Wroten to take some minutes away from Calderon and Grant, then you are essentially advocating for 4 players to play one position each game (Calderon, Gallo, Grant, Wroten) which is a little unrealistic. Wroten really won't see enough time to make any kind of impact unless he replaces Grant entirely.

Wroten will not start. He's simply not good enough for that to even be a consideration.

Phil will not hire Thibs or any other coach this season either, so that expectation should be released as well.

The only answer is to really trade for a starter. 10 day players aren't going to make a difference with this team. We aren't the 17-win team where we could start a bunch of 10 day players.

Calderon will not be moved without some asset going with him. That is the biggest issue.

10 day contract player would've impact that hornets game we lost.
hornets was missing 3 starters and they played bad but we sucked more, there was no energy so we lost.
t.wroten kind of players can impact those kind of games. he could defend j.lin. he could bring energy. i think he is capable to score. his driving ability can create open shot oppurtunties.
our offense is really stagnant and i think we need a penetrating guard. i dont care if its b.jennings for 2nd round pick+seraphin or t.wroten.
i think we should try some low risk moves, signings.
it could provide some wins also we can gain rotation player.

think about a.shved. he looked like garbage before he came here in NY and run the triangle offense.
wroten can make effect. at least he could bring energy and defend opposing pg's.
we can assign j.grant to d-league for a month or two.

[GONYK]

i hope he can get some minutes from calderon and grant. in that situation vujacic would be out i guess.
unless we took calderon's minutes we cant expect improvement.
calderon really cant defend at all. wroten would be improvement on defensive end. he also drives much more than calderon. we've seen flashes from j.grant but thats not enough.

i think we need to get rid of d.fisher and sign Thibs or another legit coach before making big trades but FA signing are pretty risk-free things. wroten might become a starter for this season or 3rd wheel pg/sg over vujacic. either way i would try it.

Vujacic plays around 50-60 mins a month. He's not even worth considering really.

If you want Wroten to take some minutes away from Calderon and Grant, then you are essentially advocating for 4 players to play one position each game (Calderon, Gallo, Grant, Wroten) which is a little unrealistic. Wroten really won't see enough time to make any kind of impact unless he replaces Grant entirely.

Wroten will not start. He's simply not good enough for that to even be a consideration.

Phil will not hire Thibs or any other coach this season either, so that expectation should be released as well.

The only answer is to really trade for a starter. 10 day players aren't going to make a difference with this team. We aren't the 17-win team where we could start a bunch of 10 day players.

Calderon will not be moved without some asset going with him. That is the biggest issue.

10 day contract player would've impact that hornets game we lost.
hornets was missing 3 starters and they played bad but we sucked more, there was no energy so we lost.
t.wroten kind of players can impact those kind of games. he could defend j.lin. he could bring energy. i think he is capable to score. his driving ability can create open shot oppurtunties.
our offense is really stagnant and i think we need a penetrating guard. i dont care if its b.jennings for 2nd round pick+seraphin or t.wroten.
i think we should try some low risk moves, signings.
it could provide some wins also we can gain rotation player.

think about a.shved. he looked like garbage before he came here in NY and run the triangle offense.
wroten can make effect. at least he could bring energy and defend opposing pg's.
we can assign j.grant to d-league for a month or two.

Lance Thomas could have provided energy and defense. You don't sign an additional player for those 2 things.

Shved started on a 17 win team and played 26 MPG.

Wroten wouldn't play that much unless you think he is going to start. He's not going to start.

For him to make any kind of impact he needs to replace someone who is currently in the rotation entirely.

If Grant was going to be sent to the D-League, it would have happened by now.

I just think the league as a whole is not impressed with Wroten post ACL injury. His one skill was kind of hampered by that injury and he's not really good at anything else.

If we were a terrible team again, I would definitely take a flyer on him. As a team hoping to sneak into the 8th spot though, we aren't going to rearrange the rotation to accommodate a 10 day player.

We might have been better off going after Erick Green if that is the route we wanted to go, but I don't think wants to go that route. It doesn't make a lot of sense.

[Nazrmohamed]

Trice and Fredette are both better shooters. Jose's percentages is high because he only takes wide open shots and just a handful a game. His high percentage is meaningless because he doesn't shoot. His height advantage is meaningless because of his lack of speed, strength or stamina.

They play in the D-league Lol.

Cleanthony Early is a superstar at the D-league level. Now cross multiply using Jose as your constant. Im sure there are better options than Jose, why assume that those options are in the D-league. We got one of the best D-league players on our roster, his name is Langston Galloway. If anything start him.

[moocow007]

Jeremy Lin as a starter:
18 Pts / 4 Assists / 4 Rebounds - 46% FG / 41% 3PT

Drives per game (all games): 7.8

Joses drives per game: 2.1
Jose is behind guys like Kelly Olynyk, Steve Blake and even Andre Miller drives more to the basket (2.3).

And at least 1.1 of those 2.1 drives in the game is debatable or a result of him tripping and making it seem like he's trying to drive.

[moocow007]

So we have a starting PG that can neither drive nor defend and yet folks think it's too much of a risk to bring in someone else and see what they can do? As far as Calderon's 3 point shooting? He only takes 2.8 of them a game and makes just 1.2 of them. Thats a total of 5 points of usefulness...maybe. That's not good at all for a starting PG.

[knickabocker88]

I found Kurt Rambis half time interview mind boggling.

All this time you've been telling Jerian to run?

[GONYK]

So we have a starting PG that can neither drive nor defend and yet folks think it's too much of a risk to bring in someone else and see what they can do? As far as Calderon's 3 point shooting? He only takes 2.8 of them a game and makes just 1.2 of them. Thats a total of 5 points of usefulness...maybe. That's not good at all for a starting PG.

It's not too much of a risk. It's just not realistic to think a 10 day player is going to come in and relegate the starting PG to the 3rd string or get starter minutes himself.

If that's what we wanted to do, we can do it without signing anyone. Just start Galloway or Grant.

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[Capn'O]

I realize as fans we tend to believe we know what the team needs, but be honest.....

Can you say with a straight face that our guard rotation (pg in particular) wasn't by design? I cant truthfully say it wasn't, and between the summer and now there has been plenty of opportunities to make upgrades even in a starting role.

It's a main reason while I know our rotation is ****, I complain very little about it because until I see otherwise, this particular crop is what they want.

Yes and no. I suspect the management team is divided on this. A few weeks back, it came out that Fisher overrode certain members of the group that wanted a guard and instead pushed for Seraphin. I suspect their position is gaining traction. It would be hard to imagine otherwise.

Phil, I think, was somewhere in between. I think he gets that this group won't get it done as an end game but didn't see an option he liked this past summer and stayed pat.


All that said, I think GONYK is right. If we get a guard midseason, it'll be a guy that can start. A Collison level player or maybe a younger guard.

[reub]

I agree. Start Galloway and call up Fredette or Trice. Trade Calderon for a piece of luggage.

[Juco24]

When Grant 'just plays' - as opposed to THINK too much, guy is a baller... he attacks the rim and is able to find guys open on the wing. He is best in the open court and just looks fluid. But when the game slows down and they're in the half court set - Grant just looks so uncomfortable! And I think/hope this just comes from inexperience and lack of repetitions. In the off-season, would hope that he works on 3 things:
* Gaining strength and muscle to his small frame, so that guys can't push him around so easy
* Shooting. Dude needs to go to the Lance Thomas school of becoming a better shooter
* Classroom. Needs to become comfortable in all the sets and be able to recognize defenses.

If he does this, I think he'll be the PG we've needed in forever