Don't Be Hurtin' Lin - The Jeremy Lin Thread 2

[phillycheese]

lin had the vision of lane, is it risky? yes, but you got to take your chance, the offense has hit a stall by then, the ball hovering around the arch with all low percentage jumpers... he saw the lane wanted to split the double team to take it, Collison could be called a foul on that too... that's not a bad move, players do that... it is not a silly play... Coach clifford is a conservative coach, i bet he would not like it... but if I were lin, I would do it again, just do it better

I don't know man, a resulted TO at a crucial moment is never a good risk to take especially if it's a play with a higher degree of difficulty. Coaches would rather a player miss a shot then make TOs such as this at crucial moments, I just recall saying to myself "yep you deserve this one Jeremy" lol.

a bad shot is just as bad as a turnover. and you have an idea of what the risk is by looking at shooting percentages.

Yep, not all shots are equal, not all assists are equal, and not all turnovers are equal. Coaches that take a simplistic view are missing the whole picture. I think there are stats that show a player's adjusted assists - include passes that lead to foul shots, assists where a normal shooter would have converted but fumbled it (ie layups). On the T/O in question, I think Cliff was right to chew Lin out, AND keep him in the game.

Speaking of assists - there are two schools of thought on Rondo - 1) he is unselfish and using his assists totals as evidence; 2) he's a ball stopper - keeps pounding the rock until he sees an assist opportunity and refuses to take open shots because his shooting sucks. Let's just say that Boston improved when he left that team - I think there was some truth to both schools of thought on Rondo.

[bws94]

Both schools are probably right on Rondo. He givith, he taketh away. His shooting is a limitation to his game for sure. And he's really ball dominant.

Lin probably chewed himself out worse than Cliff did. Then his dad probably chewed him out about it. Then his mom, which was the worse one of all

[kastuul]

Lin's ankle is still sore, after playing 50mins, I have no confidence he will play well in Jazz game.

[bws94]

Lin's ankle is still sore, after playing 50mins, I have no confidence he will play well in Jazz game.

He gets to rest it one day and get treatment. He may be OK for it. Hoping the last 2 games was the start of a good groove of games for him.

[fafan]

I don't know man, a resulted TO at a crucial moment is never a good risk to take especially if it's a play with a higher degree of difficulty. Coaches would rather a player miss a shot then make TOs such as this at crucial moments, I just recall saying to myself "yep you deserve this one Jeremy" lol.

a bad shot is just as bad as a turnover. and you have an idea of what the risk is by looking at shooting percentages.

C'mon guys, just acknowledge that it was a bad TO and move on, it's not the end of the world Lin played great last night. Made a bad untimely TO, got chewed out, it's all part of the game.

NBA has corrected that was a foul on Lin.

http://official.nba.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2016/01/L2M-CHA-SAC-1-25-16.pdf

[qiantom]

a bad shot is just as bad as a turnover. and you have an idea of what the risk is by looking at shooting percentages.

C'mon guys, just acknowledge that it was a bad TO and move on, it's not the end of the world Lin played great last night. Made a bad untimely TO, got chewed out, it's all part of the game.

NBA has corrected that was a foul on Lin.

http://official.nba.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2016/01/L2M-CHA-SAC-1-25-16.pdf

The document actually indicates that it was a correct non-call.

[Appwrangler]

a bad shot is just as bad as a turnover. and you have an idea of what the risk is by looking at shooting percentages.

C'mon guys, just acknowledge that it was a bad TO and move on, it's not the end of the world Lin played great last night. Made a bad untimely TO, got chewed out, it's all part of the game.

NBA has corrected that was a foul on Lin.

http://official.nba.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2016/01/L2M-CHA-SAC-1-25-16.pdf

Wow, lots of review in this game. Still I don't see any incorrect calls that involve Lin.

[fafan]

C'mon guys, just acknowledge that it was a bad TO and move on, it's not the end of the world Lin played great last night. Made a bad untimely TO, got chewed out, it's all part of the game.

NBA has corrected that was a foul on Lin.

http://official.nba.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2016/01/L2M-CHA-SAC-1-25-16.pdf

Wow, lots of review in this game. Still I don't see any incorrect calls that involve Lin.

Are you kidding? There are 3 listing Lin as Disadvantaged Player. And this list is only from 1:38 mins left of Q4 to OTs.

[TheSmoket]

you have to read the report right,
dis-advantaged player just mean the victim of the foul.

[13th Man]

Ok, so they reviewed it to see if it was a foul committed by Collison towards Lin but after review it was decided that it was a correct non-call so no foul. Think that's how this report thing works lol.

[tonman]

I don't know man, a resulted TO at a crucial moment is never a good risk to take especially if it's a play with a higher degree of difficulty. Coaches would rather a player miss a shot then make TOs such as this at crucial moments, I just recall saying to myself "yep you deserve this one Jeremy" lol.

a bad shot is just as bad as a turnover. and you have an idea of what the risk is by looking at shooting percentages.

C'mon guys, just acknowledge that it was a bad TO and move on, it's not the end of the world Lin played great last night. Made a bad untimely TO, got chewed out, it's all part of the game.

is it so hard to admit that taking bad shots is just as bad as committing a turnover? in fact, a dead ball turnover is so much better than a live ball bad shot that has the opposing team going fast break back. a point was made how the TO did not lead to a shot. can't have only one viewpoint.

[KungFuJoe]

Umm...the TO led to an And 1 off the foul + goaltend or are we talking about a different play?

[bigbob]

You said everything I wanted to say here...What do you expect from a "Lin-cintrict" fan site?...I'm sure if there was kemba fan site, they'd feel the same way about him.

All you have to do is to simply stay away from Lin's fan site..Those sites are only for Lin true fan..Don't be coming here complaining about Lin fan on his site. [EDIT - mods]

lol, this site isn't jlinportal.com or jeremylin.net. You can't just ask the mods to ban someone because you think someone said something bad about lin, or your own personal lingenda.

Im a big lin fan, been a fan ever since linsanity days, and ive been watching him ever since. Some people here would call me a crazy lin fan. But why is it when I go to jlinportal or jeremylin.net, I find that I AM THE NORMAL ONE AND EVERYBODY ELSE IS CRAZY??? I have always thought lin was an amazing player, had alot of potential and a starting material, but the guys on those fansites have some next level thoughts of grandeur. Its not healthy.

I made ONE joke about lin sucking, ie last game against orlando magic and I got automatically banned the next day lol. All I said was "no lin no win", after hornets won without lin. Yes it was a troll post (i thought it was funny) but too many guys over there are over sensitive. Nobody can take a joke about lin without feeling insulted and this forces all the normal, non crazy posters to have to walk on pins and needles. Nobody is allowed to admit when lin actually has a bad game, and just say yeah "tonight was a bad night, its ok it happens, he will bounce back next game". Why is that so hard for some people to admit? Then when somebody point that out, the crazies get overly sensitive and say "oh this is a lin fan site, if you're not a fan get lost" LOL.

There are all types of lin fans. In reality, there are ALOT more normal fans than crazy ones in the world. Unfortunately, these websites, ie jeremylin.net and jlinportal caters to the crazies. It has become a sad situation over there, and in my opinion the site will just one day turn to hell. You NEED normal people to speak rationally to the crazies and keep the balance. If everybody is crazy then all you have is a damn group mentality cult. The stupid mods on those sites don't see that and just ban the normal posters who once in a while like to crack some jokes about lin, even IF they're fans. So, I find your idea of "true lin fan" a complete joke. No such thing as real or fake, all fans are fans and a fan site should be for all fans.

jlinportal for instance forces posters to be nice about Lin or you get warned/ban!
Those Lin sites are not even fair when posters can't use their freedom of speech without being labeled as a hater/troll.
You critisise Lin's game and you're banned!
You praise any other player especially Batum or Walker and you're labeled a troll/Hater and have your comment tagged

It's just a site filled with delusional fangirl mods banning people based on their emotions instead of logic.

SO TRUE BRO, if I could give you 10 and1s for this post I would. Jeremylin.net and jlinportal are both just nazi websites, but their leader isn't hitler, its JEREMY LIN. I don't know how many times I got tagged/flagged whenever I posted, " kemba/batum/bryan roberts or whoever, is having an awesome game". There is only lin fan sites for the haters, ie clutch fans, or the lin jock riders ie jlinportal. Nothing for the guy in the middle...we never get any love.

The funny thing, is that on jlinportal there is a poster who goes by the name of "will chang" and has a bruce lee avatar...all his posts praise lin, regardless if lin is having an god awful game or a career game, he praises Lin so much and makes absolutely ridiculous statements. Stuff like "jeremy lin may not be a better shooter than curry but his handles, his passing his vision is much better". I called this guy out repeatedly for trolling, but the mod keeps him there for some reason. I mean the dude is obviously trolling with his insane posts using reverse psychology, but the mod seems to think the posts are "pro lin"...lol.

[bigbob]

lol, this site isn't jlinportal.com or jeremylin.net. You can't just ask the mods to ban someone because you think someone said something bad about lin, or your own personal lingenda.

Im a big lin fan, been a fan ever since linsanity days, and ive been watching him ever since. Some people here would call me a crazy lin fan. But why is it when I go to jlinportal or jeremylin.net, I find that I AM THE NORMAL ONE AND EVERYBODY ELSE IS CRAZY??? I have always thought lin was an amazing player, had alot of potential and a starting material, but the guys on those fansites have some next level thoughts of grandeur. Its not healthy.

I made ONE joke about lin sucking, ie last game against orlando magic and I got automatically banned the next day lol. All I said was "no lin no win", after hornets won without lin. Yes it was a troll post (i thought it was funny) but too many guys over there are over sensitive. Nobody can take a joke about lin without feeling insulted and this forces all the normal, non crazy posters to have to walk on pins and needles. Nobody is allowed to admit when lin actually has a bad game, and just say yeah "tonight was a bad night, its ok it happens, he will bounce back next game". Why is that so hard for some people to admit? Then when somebody point that out, the crazies get overly sensitive and say "oh this is a lin fan site, if you're not a fan get lost" LOL.

There are all types of lin fans. In reality, there are ALOT more normal fans than crazy ones in the world. Unfortunately, these websites, ie jeremylin.net and jlinportal caters to the crazies. It has become a sad situation over there, and in my opinion the site will just one day turn to hell. You NEED normal people to speak rationally to the crazies and keep the balance. If everybody is crazy then all you have is a damn group mentality cult. The stupid mods on those sites don't see that and just ban the normal posters who once in a while like to crack some jokes about lin, even IF they're fans. So, I find your idea of "true lin fan" a complete joke. No such thing as real or fake, all fans are fans and a fan site should be for all fans.

jlinportal for instance forces posters to be nice about Lin or you get warned/ban!
Those Lin sites are not even fair when posters can't use their freedom of speech without being labeled as a hater/troll.
You critisise Lin's game and you're banned!
You praise any other player especially Batum or Walker and you're labeled a troll/Hater and have your comment tagged

It's just a site filled with delusional fangirl mods banning people based on their emotions instead of logic.

Or maybe they're just banning trolls. The active moderation there seems to be much better than the moderation on Lin hating sites like Clutchfans that encourage flamefests and trolls.

I don't have an account there, so I'm not subject to any banning practices. But I think BigBob admitted here that he was trolling that site. So if he got banned for trolling, then that sounds fair.

Anyway, there's no reason to drag conflict from other sites onto this one.

I'm not even sure BigBob isn't just a Lin hater from Clutchfans pretending to be a Lin fan to troll RealGM, since he's used some terminology only used by Lin Haters on Clutchfans and not by Lin fans nor by Lin critics elsewhere. Didn't he pop up after Juan Cesta disappeared?

Anyway, we should move on from this discussion.

whatever "trolling" I did was very light weight, no mal intent behind it. Some people get way too sensitive though, especially these lin fans. If you want to see me troll lin, I will do it. Just wait for the next game

[Appwrangler]

NBA has corrected that was a foul on Lin.

http://official.nba.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2016/01/L2M-CHA-SAC-1-25-16.pdf

Wow, lots of review in this game. Still I don't see any incorrect calls that involve Lin.

Are you kidding? There are 3 listing Lin as Disadvantaged Player. And this list is only from 1:38 mins left of Q4 to OTs.

Okayyy... Let's try this: they didn't make any changes regarding whether Lin was or was not disadvantaged.

[phillycheese]

C'mon guys, just acknowledge that it was a bad TO and move on, it's not the end of the world Lin played great last night. Made a bad untimely TO, got chewed out, it's all part of the game.

NBA has corrected that was a foul on Lin.

http://official.nba.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2016/01/L2M-CHA-SAC-1-25-16.pdf

Wow, lots of review in this game. Still I don't see any incorrect calls that involve Lin.

I guess they did not review that block shot on JLIn after it hit the backboard which should have been a goaltend call.

[13th Man]

a bad shot is just as bad as a turnover. and you have an idea of what the risk is by looking at shooting percentages.

C'mon guys, just acknowledge that it was a bad TO and move on, it's not the end of the world Lin played great last night. Made a bad untimely TO, got chewed out, it's all part of the game.

is it so hard to admit that taking bad shots is just as bad as committing a turnover? in fact, a dead ball turnover is so much better than a live ball bad shot that has the opposing team going fast break back. a point was made how the TO did not lead to a shot. can't have only one viewpoint.

Have you ever seen a coach get mad at Lin over taking a shot? I've never seen it and he misses way more shots per game than he does TOs. When you turn the ball over, there is zero chance of scoring that's why coaches get so mad especially when the game is close.

One of the knocks against Lin is that he's a TO machine. While his decision making has become better, his handles still suck. He still loses the ball off the dribble far too often. No need to try to make excuses for it and downplay it. The fact that he had a good overall game doesn't eliminate the fact that it was still a bad TO.

[bigbob]

i knew lin was going to have a bad game tonight. Its like a pattern with him...one bad game 2 good, one bad game one good, one ok game, one good game, one bad game. Too bad he reinjured his ankle, hornets are going to have to step up, especially batum, if they want to be play off contenders.

[ChokeFasncists]

Lin just had consecutive games of:

26/5/5 and 20/7/11

How often does BRob get that?

[TTNN]

lol, this site isn't jlinportal.com or jeremylin.net. You can't just ask the mods to ban someone because you think someone said something bad about lin, or your own personal lingenda.

Im a big lin fan, been a fan ever since linsanity days, and ive been watching him ever since. Some people here would call me a crazy lin fan. But why is it when I go to jlinportal or jeremylin.net, I find that I AM THE NORMAL ONE AND EVERYBODY ELSE IS CRAZY??? I have always thought lin was an amazing player, had alot of potential and a starting material, but the guys on those fansites have some next level thoughts of grandeur. Its not healthy.

I made ONE joke about lin sucking, ie last game against orlando magic and I got automatically banned the next day lol. All I said was "no lin no win", after hornets won without lin. Yes it was a troll post (i thought it was funny) but too many guys over there are over sensitive. Nobody can take a joke about lin without feeling insulted and this forces all the normal, non crazy posters to have to walk on pins and needles. Nobody is allowed to admit when lin actually has a bad game, and just say yeah "tonight was a bad night, its ok it happens, he will bounce back next game". Why is that so hard for some people to admit? Then when somebody point that out, the crazies get overly sensitive and say "oh this is a lin fan site, if you're not a fan get lost" LOL.

There are all types of lin fans. In reality, there are ALOT more normal fans than crazy ones in the world. Unfortunately, these websites, ie jeremylin.net and jlinportal caters to the crazies. It has become a sad situation over there, and in my opinion the site will just one day turn to hell. You NEED normal people to speak rationally to the crazies and keep the balance. If everybody is crazy then all you have is a damn group mentality cult. The stupid mods on those sites don't see that and just ban the normal posters who once in a while like to crack some jokes about lin, even IF they're fans. So, I find your idea of "true lin fan" a complete joke. No such thing as real or fake, all fans are fans and a fan site should be for all fans.

jlinportal for instance forces posters to be nice about Lin or you get warned/ban!
Those Lin sites are not even fair when posters can't use their freedom of speech without being labeled as a hater/troll.
You critisise Lin's game and you're banned!
You praise any other player especially Batum or Walker and you're labeled a troll/Hater and have your comment tagged

It's just a site filled with delusional fangirl mods banning people based on their emotions instead of logic.

I don't know how many times I got tagged/flagged whenever I posted, " kemba/batum/bryan roberts or whoever, is having an awesome game". There is only lin fan sites for the haters, ie clutch fans, or the lin jock riders ie jlinportal. Nothing for the guy in the middle...we never get any love.

this is straight lying. And it is so obvious why you are making this up here.