Let's talk about Elfrid

thelead · Post #1 » by **thelead** » Wed Jan 27, 2016 4:22 pm

Elfrid's 'motor' is starting to really bother me.

When he is active on defense and looks to attack on offense he looks like a star in the making. Unfortunately, he seems to 'flip the switch' randomly. What is the deal?

Also, is it just me or is he not being anywhere near as pesky on defense as he was last year?

It's like he is a talented Moe Harkless.

zuppafly · Post #2 » by **zuppafly** » Wed Jan 27, 2016 4:35 pm

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quoting myself from the 12th of October on the "bold statements for the next season" thread:

zuppafly wrote:Bold statement: Elf will not improve his shooting percentages. Not FG%, not FT% nor 3pt %. Not this year. And half of this board will ask for his head on a stick and say that we'll never win with him at PG.

Not saying you are asking for his head and I do share some concerns with you. But get ready for the barrage of "we'll never win with Elf" posts.

CraZyPraiZ · Post #3 » by **CraZyPraiZ** » Wed Jan 27, 2016 4:48 pm

I'm concerned that Skiles is killing his confidence which to me makes him (EP) weak. He needs to have a stronger resolve if he's to be our leader. Also he needs the ball in his hands and this offense will not allow that. As much as I praised the hiring of Skiles, I am souring on him very very quickly.

j-ragg · Post #4 » by **j-ragg** » Wed Jan 27, 2016 4:53 pm

I'm starting to think maybe we should just throw a huge offer at Mike Conley and let Elf be his backup while he develops offensively a little. Hurts to say it but the way our team is backwards we need a shooter from the guard spot. And we all know Hezonja isn't going to see the floor with Mr Clean at the helm.

rcklsscognition · Post #5 » by **rcklsscognition** » Wed Jan 27, 2016 5:01 pm

He will never be able to shoot. That **** is so messed up looking it's not even funny.

My career projections for Payton:

TBH he is someone who just annoys me. I don't like his attitude, I don't like how he has to hype himself up in the game to play defense. I don't like that he cannot guard as good as he was supposed to. The whole reason we were supposed to have drafted him was because despite being terrible offensively, he was going to be all-nba defender. Well, that just isn't the case, so we're left with decent defense and terrible offense most nights if he can overcome his sulking. He's not a leader, and that isn't a automatic bad, but he's so far off the other end it's unbearable.

I think it's obvious Skiles hates him, hates that he's wasting his talent, and hates that he has no one else he can play.

Gomagic44 · Post #6 » by **Gomagic44** » Wed Jan 27, 2016 5:08 pm

Yea....I really was hoping for the best, but I kinda am starting to agree with the harkless comparisons. His defense is off from last year and his offense is so last resort that I cringe when he has to shoot. His passing hasn't looked elite this year either. I enjoy when he gets into the games and gets that stank face going....but he is still a liability on offense.

When elf can't stop opposing Pgs from penetrating the paint and our center can't lockdown the paint, we are going nowhere fast.

But honesty I would still trade Evan, Dipo, Tobias and Vuc first.

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Von Bismarck · Post #7 » by **Von Bismarck** » Wed Jan 27, 2016 5:12 pm

j-ragg wrote: Hurts to say it but the way our team is backwards we need a shooter from the guard spot. And we all know Hezonja isn't going to see the floor with Mr Clean at the helm.

I know what you mean but this would be unacceptable. Hezonja needs to play no matter what, he is a shooter we have been waiting for but we need to find him more balls, which primarily means Napier, Oladipo and co. should not ignore him when he's wide open and that happens a lot, sadly.

CraZyPraiZ · Post #8 » by **CraZyPraiZ** » Wed Jan 27, 2016 5:15 pm

Atlanta is willing to deal either Teague or Shroeder. Must mean that either is capable of being the guy in ATL.

j-ragg · Post #9 » by **j-ragg** » Wed Jan 27, 2016 5:22 pm

Von Bismarck wrote:
j-ragg wrote: Hurts to say it but the way our team is backwards we need a shooter from the guard spot. And we all know Hezonja isn't going to see the floor with Mr Clean at the helm.

I know what you mean but this would be unacceptable. Hezonja needs to play no matter what, he is a shooter we have been waiting for but we need to find him more balls, which primarily means Napier, Oladipo and co. should not ignore him when he's wide open and that happens a lot, sadly.

Agreed. We finally draft our Klay Thompson but we don't use him. I'm not going to get too antsy about it till after the trade deadline. If we just stand pat then no more investing money year after year watching this garbage product.

MAGICian619 · Post #10 » by **MAGICian619** » Wed Jan 27, 2016 5:23 pm

This team is only going to go as far as Elf takes us. Skiles needs to figure that out sooner than later.

thelead · Post #11 » by **thelead** » Wed Jan 27, 2016 5:23 pm

CraZyPraiZ wrote:Atlanta is willing to deal either Teague or Shroeder. Must mean that either is capable of being the guy in ATL.

If I'm being completely honest, I take either over Elf.

Blue_and_Whte · Post #12 » by **Blue_and_Whte** » Wed Jan 27, 2016 5:26 pm

zuppafly wrote:viewtopic.php?p=44787306#p44787306~

quoting myself from the 12th of October on the "bold statements for the next season" thread:
zuppafly wrote:Bold statement: Elf will not improve his shooting percentages. Not FG%, not FT% nor 3pt %. Not this year. And half of this board will ask for his head on a stick and say that we'll never win with him at PG.

Not saying you are asking for his head and I do share some concerns with you. But get ready for the barrage of "we'll never win with Elf" posts.

I think we had some good momentum up until December 18th when he sustained his injury then re-aggravated and that we've struggled regain that momentum. The issues with his inconsistent motor I think probably stem from that injury.

Blue_and_Whte · Post #13 » by **Blue_and_Whte** » Wed Jan 27, 2016 5:27 pm

thelead wrote:
CraZyPraiZ wrote:Atlanta is willing to deal either Teague or Shroeder. Must mean that either is capable of being the guy in ATL.

If I'm being completely honest, I take either over Elf.

Link? I'd take Teague for sure. Havent watched enough of Shroeder

Von Bismarck · Post #14 » by **Von Bismarck** » Wed Jan 27, 2016 5:28 pm

thelead wrote:
CraZyPraiZ wrote:Atlanta is willing to deal either Teague or Shroeder. Must mean that either is capable of being the guy in ATL.

If I'm being completely honest, I take either over Elf.

But Schroeder is shooting worse than Elfrid..

thelead · Post #15 » by **thelead** » Wed Jan 27, 2016 5:33 pm

Blue_and_Whte wrote:
thelead wrote:
CraZyPraiZ wrote:Atlanta is willing to deal either Teague or Shroeder. Must mean that either is capable of being the guy in ATL.

If I'm being completely honest, I take either over Elf.
Link? I'd take Teague for sure. Havent watched enough of Shroeder

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/240584/Hawks-Asking-For-Trade-Offers-For-Either-Jeff-Teague-Dennis-Schroder

Post #16 » by **SD2042** » Wed Jan 27, 2016 5:34 pm

It's psychological for Peyton, like Crazy stated earlier, it's the confidence issue. If someone in this case a coach does not show trust and faith in your abilities regardless of the reason, it can affect your confidence. Given that EP is something of an introvert, it goes to reason. Not say that EP sucks overall, it that if you're the type of personality that allows criticism to get the better of you all the time, there is a problem that needs to be dealt with.

As for Skiles, it's noted he has an abrasive personality and those types of personalities make it complicated for others to get along with in-spite of their intentions. Why else his pattern has been consist of not staying with a NBA team no more than three or four years. At the rate he's going, he will alienate the players and likely the front office to the point where he will be looking for another job between now and the next season.

thelead · Post #17 » by **thelead** » Wed Jan 27, 2016 5:35 pm

Von Bismarck wrote:
thelead wrote:
CraZyPraiZ wrote:Atlanta is willing to deal either Teague or Shroeder. Must mean that either is capable of being the guy in ATL.

If I'm being completely honest, I take either over Elf.

But Schroeder is shooting worse than Elfrid..

Not by much while producing similar numbers in 8 less minutes per game. I'm not saying I would take Schroeder over Elf by a landslide or anything.

zuppafly · Post #18 » by **zuppafly** » Wed Jan 27, 2016 5:36 pm

Blue_and_Whte wrote:
zuppafly wrote:viewtopic.php?p=44787306#p44787306~

quoting myself from the 12th of October on the "bold statements for the next season" thread:
zuppafly wrote:Bold statement: Elf will not improve his shooting percentages. Not FG%, not FT% nor 3pt %. Not this year. And half of this board will ask for his head on a stick and say that we'll never win with him at PG.

Not saying you are asking for his head and I do share some concerns with you. But get ready for the barrage of "we'll never win with Elf" posts.

I think we had some good momentum up until December 18th when he sustained his injury then re-aggravated and that we've struggled regain that momentum. The issues with his inconsistent motor I think probably stem from that injury.

yeah, I tend to to think the same, he isn't playing with the same intensity since those ankles made him miss some games. He might be holding back, afraid of re-injuring then even if unconsciously.

Shooting wise, well, I'll reserve judgement for next year, his 3rd.

Blue_and_Whte · Post #19 » by **Blue_and_Whte** » Wed Jan 27, 2016 5:37 pm

CraZyPraiZ wrote:I'm concerned that Skiles is killing his confidence which to me makes him (EP) weak. He needs to have a stronger resolve if he's to be our leader. Also he needs the ball in his hands and this offense will not allow that. As much as I praised the hiring of Skiles, I am souring on him very very quickly.

Skiles isn't doing anything to kill his confidence. If EP is pouting over expecting to execute plays correctly then he needs to retire and go find a day job. Now that we have a good coach we're seeing what we actually have which isn't a good team and people wont accept that. We have bunch of second tier players pretending to be first tier players.

Payton cant shoot, he's not defending, and he's not playing with energy. Skiles isn't working him like a puppet, that's on Payton.

Von Bismarck · Post #20 » by **Von Bismarck** » Wed Jan 27, 2016 5:39 pm

thelead wrote:
Von Bismarck wrote:
thelead wrote:If I'm being completely honest, I take either over Elf.

But Schroeder is shooting worse than Elfrid..

Not by much while producing similar numbers in 8 less minutes per game. I'm not saying I would take Schroeder over Elf by a landslide or anything.

Yeah, I've noticed Schroeder puts just slightly lower numbers in 8 minutes less. I don't know, I'd take Teague but I'm not sure that I'm ready to get rid of Elfrid, like that kid a lot and think he could be even better than Teague in a few years.