Tank Fest Update Around the League

[bwgood77]

Minnesota playing tough against a good team again...hanging with OKC.

[AtheJ415]

Minnesota and Brooklyn and LA are just so bad. We really need to dump some vets to ensure we catch them.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Minnesota can't finish games (or don't want to).

Brooklyn are just bad when Lopez doesn't dominate.

We're most likely going to be 5th worse record.

[bwgood77]

Minnesota and Brooklyn and LA are just so bad. We really need to dump some vets to ensure we catch them.

I don't know...I was looking at Minnesota's last stretch, and they've lost extremely close games and also played an extremely tough schedule except against us. I'd be pretty surprised if we finish with a better record than Minnesota. They are playing much better than us right now and are healthy. Those guys want to start winning. Their schedule since January 9th has been brutal. http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/min/minnesota-timberwolves

The only way I figure we finish with a better record than Minnesota is if we make a blockbuster trade that makes us quite a bit better, but even then, it doesn't really make sense to try and get better for the rest of this season.

I think Brooklyn will likely finish better than us too barring the situation I just described.

[AtheJ415]

Minnesota and Brooklyn and LA are just so bad. We really need to dump some vets to ensure we catch them.

I don't know...I was looking at Minnesota's last stretch, and they've lost extremely close games and also played an extremely tough schedule except against us. I'd be pretty surprised if we finish with a better record than Minnesota. They are playing much better than us right now and are healthy. Those guys want to start winning. Their schedule since January 9th has been brutal. http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/min/minnesota-timberwolves

The only way I figure we finish with a better record than Minnesota is if we make a blockbuster trade that makes us quite a bit better, but even then, it doesn't really make sense to try and get better for the rest of this season.

I think Brooklyn will likely finish better than us too barring the situation I just described.

They're younger. That matters a lot in terms of continuing to lose. Yes, they've played teams closer than us, but at the same time they're still racking up the Ls. Also, I'm not sure they're trying to win any more than we are. Our vets are trying to win. Hornacek I'm not sure because he does absolutely insane crap like play Sonny Weems at PG, but that's why I want the vets traded. If we get younger than them by moving Chandler, Tucker, Morris and replacing them with young guys we'll be a guarantee to finish behind them and have a much better chance of catching Brooklyn.

[bwgood77]

Minnesota and Brooklyn and LA are just so bad. We really need to dump some vets to ensure we catch them.

I don't know...I was looking at Minnesota's last stretch, and they've lost extremely close games and also played an extremely tough schedule except against us. I'd be pretty surprised if we finish with a better record than Minnesota. They are playing much better than us right now and are healthy. Those guys want to start winning. Their schedule since January 9th has been brutal. http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/min/minnesota-timberwolves

The only way I figure we finish with a better record than Minnesota is if we make a blockbuster trade that makes us quite a bit better, but even then, it doesn't really make sense to try and get better for the rest of this season.

I think Brooklyn will likely finish better than us too barring the situation I just described.

They're younger. That matters a lot in terms of continuing to lose. Yes, they've played teams closer than us, but at the same time they're still racking up the Ls. Also, I'm not sure they're trying to win any more than we are. Our vets are trying to win. Hornacek I'm not sure because he does absolutely insane crap like play Sonny Weems at PG, but that's why I want the vets traded. If we get younger than them by moving Chandler, Tucker, Morris and replacing them with young guys we'll be a guarantee to finish behind them and have a much better chance of catching Brooklyn.

Minnesota's got some vets too, but they also have better younger guys who are getting quite a bit better by the day. Have you seen some of the lines for their young guys against the Thunder tonight? LaVine with 35 on 14-17 with 5 3s? Towns with 19, 13, 5 and 3? Wiggins had 20 and Rubio with 10 assists...he feeds these guys well. I don't know how you think our vets give us a better chance to win than these guys give them.

I thought you thought our younger guys make us better than our vets anyway, so why are you arguing now our vets make us better?

[AtheJ415]

I don't know...I was looking at Minnesota's last stretch, and they've lost extremely close games and also played an extremely tough schedule except against us. I'd be pretty surprised if we finish with a better record than Minnesota. They are playing much better than us right now and are healthy. Those guys want to start winning. Their schedule since January 9th has been brutal. http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/min/minnesota-timberwolves

The only way I figure we finish with a better record than Minnesota is if we make a blockbuster trade that makes us quite a bit better, but even then, it doesn't really make sense to try and get better for the rest of this season.

I think Brooklyn will likely finish better than us too barring the situation I just described.

They're younger. That matters a lot in terms of continuing to lose. Yes, they've played teams closer than us, but at the same time they're still racking up the Ls. Also, I'm not sure they're trying to win any more than we are. Our vets are trying to win. Hornacek I'm not sure because he does absolutely insane crap like play Sonny Weems at PG, but that's why I want the vets traded. If we get younger than them by moving Chandler, Tucker, Morris and replacing them with young guys we'll be a guarantee to finish behind them and have a much better chance of catching Brooklyn.

Minnesota's got some vets too, but they also have better younger guys who are getting quite a bit better by the day. Have you seen some of the lines for their young guys against the Thunder tonight? LaVine with 35 on 14-17 with 5 3s? Towns with 19, 13, 5 and 3? Wiggins had 20 and Rubio with 10 assists...he feeds these guys well. I don't know how you think our vets give us a better chance to win than these guys give them.

I thought you thought our younger guys make us better than our vets anyway, so why are you arguing now our vets make us better?

Their vets are an aging KG and Kevin Martin. KG and Martin are done. Neither are as good as Chandler, a normal Markieff, or Tucker imo. Then there's Pekovic, who is only good at a couple things, similar to Tele for us.

Rubio is great at what he does, but he also hurts them with his shooting. That has arguably cost them both OKC games. Either way he's not really old so I didn't mean him in the vets mix, although I suppose he is technically one in the same way Knight is.

But with Lavine and the others, well, Lavine is almost never that good. Most young guys are very inconsistent. It would be like us claiming Goodwin is a monster because of his previous 3 games. Towns and Wiggins are legitimately good, but I don't think that makes up for the rest of the team's youth and the lack of quality vet play. Otherwise, they'd have a lot more wins.

Point being, no young teams are really set up to win a lot. Last year's Suns and Pelicans were outliers, and even this year the Magic have already started to fall off. The Pelicans may be able to make it due to the play of some of their actual vets and Davis, but Davis is simply an abnormal freak of nature on his own.

[thamadkant]

I proposed Bledsoe for LaVine earlier and got scoffed at.

LaVine is a high ceiling guy who can move to SG and even SF in small ball.

Imagine a tall, high scoring and super athletic backcourt in LaVine/Goodwin/Booker rotating at the PG/SG spots... Then Bogdanovic and Warren at the SF spot.

Long and limby... Perfect against the sharp shooting Warriors eventually.

[kennydorglas]

I doubt Minny will end in front of us. Their core players is too good to even Mitchell screw them up.
Brooklyn needs to win and I believe they'll attack hard the deadline.

Worst case scenario, we'll take the #3 spot and just hope for some 'luck' in the lottery.
We should start a campaign about never being the #1 pick too

[kennydorglas]

Our february schedule is BRUTAL.
we still have 1 game against BKN, 2 against Minny and Lakers.

play hard against the big dogs, drop it against the low ones. We can do it.

[bwgood77]

They're younger. That matters a lot in terms of continuing to lose. Yes, they've played teams closer than us, but at the same time they're still racking up the Ls. Also, I'm not sure they're trying to win any more than we are. Our vets are trying to win. Hornacek I'm not sure because he does absolutely insane crap like play Sonny Weems at PG, but that's why I want the vets traded. If we get younger than them by moving Chandler, Tucker, Morris and replacing them with young guys we'll be a guarantee to finish behind them and have a much better chance of catching Brooklyn.

Minnesota's got some vets too, but they also have better younger guys who are getting quite a bit better by the day. Have you seen some of the lines for their young guys against the Thunder tonight? LaVine with 35 on 14-17 with 5 3s? Towns with 19, 13, 5 and 3? Wiggins had 20 and Rubio with 10 assists...he feeds these guys well. I don't know how you think our vets give us a better chance to win than these guys give them.

I thought you thought our younger guys make us better than our vets anyway, so why are you arguing now our vets make us better?

Their vets are an aging KG and Kevin Martin. KG and Martin are done. Neither are as good as Chandler, a normal Markieff, or Tucker imo. Then there's Pekovic, who is only good at a couple things, similar to Tele for us.

Rubio is great at what he does, but he also hurts them with his shooting. That has arguably cost them both OKC games. Either way he's not really old so I didn't mean him in the vets mix, although I suppose he is technically one in the same way Knight is.

But with Lavine and the others, well, Lavine is almost never that good. Most young guys are very inconsistent. It would be like us claiming Goodwin is a monster because of his previous 3 games. Towns and Wiggins are legitimately good, but I don't think that makes up for the rest of the team's youth and the lack of quality vet play. Otherwise, they'd have a lot more wins.

Point being, no young teams are really set up to win a lot. Last year's Suns and Pelicans were outliers, and even this year the Magic have already started to fall off. The Pelicans may be able to make it due to the play of some of their actual vets and Davis, but Davis is simply an abnormal freak of nature on his own.

OK, so you think we are better than Minnesota right now. But they are losing close games to good teams and we are being blown out on a regular basis, as well as losing 30 to them, and twice to Philly. Tucker and Chandler don't seem to be making that big of difference. Maybe Chandler against Atlanta.

[SSOL]

We are currently playing like the worst team in the league after the loss to Philly. I have no doubt that we will bottom out at at least the 3rd worst record.

[Mulhollanddrive]

We're now 4 games clear of 6th worst record and 7 games behind 8th seed.

We can do it.

[bwgood77]

We are currently playing like the worst team in the league after the loss to Philly. I have no doubt that we will bottom out at at least the 3rd worst record.

I agree, barring a bunch of trades that make us better and us trying to compete (which doesn't make sense), Minnesota seems clearly better. Brooklyn clearly is not going to want to hand Boston a high pick, and at some point, eastern teams sliding may not care about winning as much. Brooklyn could pick up some easy wins.

[Saberestar]

The Pelicans won the Kings yesterday, they are all about playoffs. Great.
The Nuggets won too, they are consistent getting wins here and there...I saw them like a dark horse for the tank but right now they have 18W, so I am less concerned about them.

There is big gap between the rest of the league and our tanking group of Phoenix, Minnesota, Brooklyn, LA and Philadelphia.
I want to get to the middle of this group.

Let's do it! Third worst record in the league is an awesome position to bring Simmons /Ingram.

[m1chal]

The Pelicans won the Kings yesterday, they are all about playoffs. Great.
The Nuggets won too, they are consistent getting wins here and there...I saw them like a dark horse for the tank but right now they have 18W, so I am less concerned about them.

There is big gap between the rest of the league and our tanking group of Phoenix, Minnesota, Brooklyn, LA and Philadelphia.
I want to get to the middle of this group.

Let's do it! Third worst record in the league is an awesome position to bring Simmons /Ingram.

It's depressing how deep we have fallen.

[SSOL]

It won't be depressing come late June

[jcsunsfan]

The Pelicans won the Kings yesterday, they are all about playoffs. Great.
The Nuggets won too, they are consistent getting wins here and there...I saw them like a dark horse for the tank but right now they have 18W, so I am less concerned about them.

There is big gap between the rest of the league and our tanking group of Phoenix, Minnesota, Brooklyn, LA and Philadelphia.
I want to get to the middle of this group.

Let's do it! Third worst record in the league is an awesome position to bring Simmons /Ingram.

It's depressing how deep we have fallen.

We are TANKING. We are not as bad as our record indicates. We have had huge "injuries." Enjoy it man! The pressure is off. We get a chance to watch young players develop. We get to talk about the best players in the draft.

Yeah, I want to win, but you have to enjoy every stage as a sports fan.

[jcsunsfan]

It won't be depressing come late June

I am just hoping it won't be depressing in late May (May 17).

[AtheJ415]

Holy crap Brooklyn is just so freaking bad. It's absolutely obnoxious that we are losing so much and not really gaining ground on them. A single win could be disasterous at this rate.