Official Trade Thread - Part XXX

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Cousins is better.

He scored more points and grabbed more rebounds than all other NBA players in January.

His team is over .500 with him and only has 1 win without him. (Every year the Kings have won a higher percentage with him).

He's about to be a two-time all star.

He was just NBA player of the week.

He's winning his C matchup MORE than DeAndre Jordan and all Cs in relative plus minus.

His greatest achievement is COACHES and MEDIA vote him in to the all star game when hater fans who cannot admit they were wrong don't or can't.

[deneem4]

Would you trade Wall for Favors?

It could make sense if we turned around and signed Mike Conley as a free agent.

On draft day I said don't draft Wall, trade down for the pick of Cousins plus Favors or Turner.

And that would have a been a colossal mistake, since neother Favors nor Cousins have done anything remotely great in their careers except pad stats on losing teams.

The only thing stopping cousins from being arguably the 2nd best player in the league right now is his record...but honestly(and I'm a Davis fan) when Davis was putting up stats like this previously, he was considered.....

[gravytrain24]

What are chances EG looks into trading for Griffin, right now as he's injured. I say very high.

[pcbothwel]

Cousins is better.

He scored more points and grabbed more rebounds than all other NBA players in January.

His team is over .500 with him and only has 1 win without him. (Every year the Kings have won a higher percentage with him).

He's about to be a two-time all star.

He was just NBA player of the week.

He's winning his C matchup MORE than DeAndre Jordan and all Cs in relative plus minus.

His greatest achievement is COACHES and MEDIA vote him in to the all star game when hater fans who cannot admit they were wrong don't or can't.

The only thing stopping cousins from being arguably the 2nd best player in the league right now is his record...but honestly(and I'm a Davis fan) when Davis was putting up stats like this previously, he was considered.....

Im sorry guys, but I dont see it...at all. Cousins has immense talent, but calling him the best Center or 2nd best playing in the league is ridiculous.

- His WS/48 has declined each of the last three years and is behind Howard, Jordan, and Whiteside.
- Cousins career eFg% is 46% and he has never been above 50% in any season.
- Howard is a career 58% eFg and has never been below 52%. DeAndre career is 67% and has never been below 60%. Whiteside has averaged 62% the last two years

Now I know he gets to the line quite a bit and shoots it at a solid 73% clip from the strip, but even that doesnt help as his TS among active Centers is far from elite.

There are 27 active centers that have averaged 20+ minutes and have a career TS higher than Boogie (52%). Some of those in the top 10 are very familiar (Especially number 10 ):

1: Tyson Chandler - 0.644
2: DeAndre Jordan - 0.622
3: Hassan Whiteside - 0.611
4: Rudy Gobert - 0.609
5: Jonas Valanciunas - 0.602
6: Dwight Howard - 0.601
7: Andris Biedrins - 0.592 (Obviously not counting)
8: Andrew Bynum - 0.592 (Same as above)
9: Robin Lopez - 0.574
10: Marcin Gortat - 0.573
.............
28: DeMarcus Cousins - 0.526

[Ruzious]

Yeah, he still makes only 47% of his 2's, so even though he's added the 3 to his repertoire, he's likely still taking way too many jump shots. A big with the tremendous number of foul shots he takes should be a more efficient scorer. And he still has problems with turnovers and fouls. I think he was better the previous 2 seasons than this season. No doubt, he's a real good player who I'd love to have on the Wiz, but he has obvious issues.

[TGW]

Careerwise, the Kings record with Coudins in the lineup is well under 500. Guy is a career loser so far, and to say he's better than Wall, who's taken his team to the playoffs with success, is a joke and screams of extreme bias.

But keep reaching.

[TGW]

Is an exchange of Gortat and Beal for Ryan Anderson, Nerlens Noel, and Tyreke Evans a favorable one for the Wiz? I'm working on a three way that gets us those 3 players. It's not perfect, but our lineup going forward would be:

Wall
Evans
Porter
Anderson
Noel

[nate33]

Is an exchange of Gortat and Beal for Ryan Anderson, Nerlens Noel, and Tyreke Evans a favorable one for the Wiz? I'm working on a three way that gets us those 3 players. It's not perfect, but our lineup going forward would be:

Wall
Evans
Porter
Anderson
Noel

I really hate the fit of Evans alongside Wall. It won't work.

I think I'd rather just trade Beal for Noel (if possible) and be done with it. We can shop Gortat around for the best player available. Ryan Anderson would be nice, but there are other possibilities.

[TGW]

Is an exchange of Gortat and Beal for Ryan Anderson, Nerlens Noel, and Tyreke Evans a favorable one for the Wiz? I'm working on a three way that gets us those 3 players. It's not perfect, but our lineup going forward would be:

Wall
Evans
Porter
Anderson
Noel

I really hate the fit of Evans alongside Wall. It won't work.

I think I'd rather just trade Beal for Noel (if possible) and be done with it. We can shop Gortat around for the best player available. Ryan Anderson would be nice, but there are other possibilities.

I don't like the fit with Wall either, but Evans has improved his jumpshooting. More importantly, he gives the team another ballhandler/creator of offense. I think with the addition of Rino, you'll have enough jumpshooting to justify the Evans/Wall backcourt.

[payitforward]

We only take special kinds of morons round these parts. The creme de la creme so to speak.

Right. Otherwise, no way the players can keep up w/ the level of our posting here!

[payitforward]

Prompted by the above string of posts I took a look at Jazz players' numbers. Jeff Withey, whom some of us begged for the Wizards to sign when he was available, is playing very well for them. He looks to be demonstrating that yes he is definitely an NBA player and a pretty good one.

Withey's progress combined w/ the terrific play of Gobert might make the Jazz FO willing to trade Favors, depending on what they could get back. Trevor Booker will be unrestricted this Summer, btw: I'd be happy to see him in our uni again. Rather have Withey, however.

Would you trade Wall for Favors?

It could make sense if we turned around and signed Mike Conley as a free agent.

I'm not sure, although at this point I'm starting to get into "break up the team" mode.

But, Conley isn't as good as Wall, and he's older. We need younger players not older players. I do like Favors, btw (who doesn't?), but I don't think he's some kind of bargain at his salary, and he has over 8000 minutes on his NBA clock, young though he is.

In the end, I guess not -- I wouldn't.

[payitforward]

Yeah, he still makes only 47% of his 2's, so even though he's added the 3 to his repertoire, he's likely still taking way too many jump shots. A big with the tremendous number of foul shots he takes should be a more efficient scorer. And he still has problems with turnovers and fouls. I think he was better the previous 2 seasons than this season. No doubt, he's a real good player who I'd love to have on the Wiz, but he has obvious issues.

Right. Cousins is a supreme talent, just amazing. But his actual game doesn't translate those talents, alas. His game is very good, just not good enough -- i.e. to pay what it would take to get him.

[nate33]

Prompted by the above string of posts I took a look at Jazz players' numbers. Jeff Withey, whom some of us begged for the Wizards to sign when he was available, is playing very well for them. He looks to be demonstrating that yes he is definitely an NBA player and a pretty good one.

Withey's progress combined w/ the terrific play of Gobert might make the Jazz FO willing to trade Favors, depending on what they could get back. Trevor Booker will be unrestricted this Summer, btw: I'd be happy to see him in our uni again. Rather have Withey, however.

Would you trade Wall for Favors?

It could make sense if we turned around and signed Mike Conley as a free agent.

I'm not sure, although at this point I'm starting to get into "break up the team" mode.

But, Conley isn't as good as Wall, and he's older. We need younger players not older players. I do like Favors, btw (who doesn't?), but I don't think he's some kind of bargain at his salary, and he has over 8000 minutes on his NBA clock, young though he is.

In the end, I guess not -- I wouldn't.

If Conley isn't as good as Wall, he's pretty darn close.

[TGW]

Yeah, he still makes only 47% of his 2's, so even though he's added the 3 to his repertoire, he's likely still taking way too many jump shots. A big with the tremendous number of foul shots he takes should be a more efficient scorer. And he still has problems with turnovers and fouls. I think he was better the previous 2 seasons than this season. No doubt, he's a real good player who I'd love to have on the Wiz, but he has obvious issues.

Right. Cousins is a supreme talent, just amazing. But his actual game doesn't translate those talents, alas. His game is very good, just not good enough -- i.e. to pay what it would take to get him.

Tonight is a perfect example. A player that big and that talented should never go 3-17 with 6 turnovers. It doesn't make sense.

[gambitx777]

Ran these through my "Real Trade Value" toy. The first one doesn't look lopsided at all. Neal and Humphries have a combined value of 268 RTV points. Jones is worth 211 so far this season; McDaniels is actually showing negative value this year.

The second one also isn't very lopsided. Neal and Humphries are at 268; Gibson at 296. The Wizards could add a future second round pick to balance things out. I can see why Chicago might make this trade.

The third one is a wild guess that doesn't seem to make much sense for any of the teams involved.

I would think Gibson should be a few times higher than the combo of Neal and Hump - and I've taken grief for defending Humphries.

And with Embiid - if he has a chance of getting healthy, I think it'd be a huge mistake to give him up for a top 10 protected pick.

Yeah the first one I love, They get something for jones before he leaves, and I really love KJ! Plus we do not over pay!
The second one I'm ok with, I know I am not a fan of Gibson but that's because most of the deals give up players I am not willing to loose for him, Hum and Neal I can live with out.
The second one seems like something they just made up to put another trade in there, I mean honestly I would not mind taking Embid if they are selling him that low, mke is a 2017 first make it a top 3 protected and shot on him.

[gambitx777]

So question for the board, if we could get dwieght Howard or Blake griffin or both. would we pull the trigger on those deals?
Word on the street is that the rockets want to move Howard and that's not that bad of an Idea. Plus we all know the situation with Blake. What about some deals like this.
Wiz Get :Howard, K.J, Capella
Hou Gets: Gortat, NENE, Blair/or neal and a future pick of some kind to be worked out(2017 or 2019 first? maybe a second or thomas?)

Wiz get: Blake, covington.
Clips get: Embid, Hump, anderson, gooden, (1 or 2 late 2016 draft picks from the 76ers)
76ers get: Beal and a 2017 or 2019 first pick from us this might also go to the clippers depending on how much the 76ers are willing to give up.

I'm a little losse on the picks part of it because im just not sure what would get these deals done. I know these pretty much kill KD 2 DC but if we can get Howard and Blake plus some young talented players on cheep deals. why the hell not do this.
I'm pretty sure the cap works on all of this and that would give us this team going in to the play offs once blake is healty
Wall/Sessions/Neal (if we keep him)
Temple/K.J/Eddie/
Porter/dudley/Kelly
Blake/Covington/Dudley
Howard/Cappella
Other than the Sg position that is one hell of a decent team. Since Blake, Covington and Dudley can all stretch the floor, Howard and Cappella down low with wall! This team would be great defensibly too! But is this worth basically giving up the KD2DC deam?

[LyricalRico]

So question for the board, if we could get dwieght Howard or Blake griffin or both. would we pull the trigger on those deals?

I'd love to pair Blake Griffin with Wall, but I have zero interest in Dwight Howard. Even so, I don't see any of the other teams going for those deals. Heck, if I'm Philly and I know LAC will take a package of Embiid and scraps for Griffin, I cut Washington out and keep Griffin for myself.

[gambitx777]

So question for the board, if we could get dwieght Howard or Blake griffin or both. would we pull the trigger on those deals?

I'd love to pair Blake Griffin with Wall, but I have zero interest in Dwight Howard. Even so, I don't see any of the other teams going for those deals. Heck, if I'm Philly and I know LAC will take a package of Embiid and scraps for Griffin, I cut Washington out and keep Griffin for myself.

I would not call Embid and picks scraps, Plus what good would an un happy Griffin do for the 76ERs. Beal would be much better for them because he fits a need, They don't need big men, Blake just cowds up their front court more, Beal for blake makes tons of sense, I think we could get griffin on our own we just need to give up a little more, We could also go to philly and do a beal for embid, covington and a first. then flip it to the clips for blake. That way they can't cut us out of the deal at all. You have to realize that the clips are winning with out blake, they just need some help some vets and a future star, plus picks does that for them.
I would be down with howard, Hes not a max center any more, maybe he stays maybe we talk him into opting out and coming back for a long term bit of a discount deal at 16-18 mill a year. But I agree I am fine with keeping Gortat over howard cuz if we get blake for beal we get better and if we start winning gortat will be happy,

would you do,
NENE, Beal, Gooden, Blair, 2017 unprotected first,
for
Blake and crawford?

The problem with doing a trade on our own for blake like I said we use up more assets and we don't have anyone to hold us over till he comes back from the hand injury. Unless we make another deal somewhere.

[Ruzious]

would you do,
NENE, Beal, Gooden, Blair, 2017 unprotected first,
for
Blake and crawford?

The problem with doing a trade on our own for blake like I said we use up more assets and we don't have anyone to hold us over till he comes back from the hand injury. Unless we make another deal somewhere.

I would do that faster than a John Wall missed layup.

[nate33]

would you do,
NENE, Beal, Gooden, Blair, 2017 unprotected first,
for
Blake and crawford?

The problem with doing a trade on our own for blake like I said we use up more assets and we don't have anyone to hold us over till he comes back from the hand injury. Unless we make another deal somewhere.

I would do that faster than a John Wall missed layup.

Yeah, it's a wildly lopsided trade in our favor. Also, why in the world would the Clippers want Beal?