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Re: GT: Hornets @ Blazers Fri Jan 29 10PM EST 

Post#441 » by ChokeFasncists » Sat Jan 30, 2016 5:12 pm

BrotherDave wrote:Sasha "The Machine" Vujacic? Eff yeah, I'd trade a thousand Hansbroughs for him.

It also comes with the memory of Maria.
MorbidHEAT wrote:My dislike for Lin started during Linsanity. It was absurd. It's probably irrational dislike at this point, but man he gets on my nerves. He's been tearing us up though.
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Post#442 » by ChokeFasncists » Sat Jan 30, 2016 5:16 pm

DY_nasty wrote:
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DY_nasty wrote:its common with rookie bigs to be streaky and take longer to develop. just like how turner is coming on late, frank's gonna get exposed a bit more. and with inconsistent lineups, its harder for any big on this kind of roster to get a rhythm. its not like we clear out for the guy or even run a number of plays for him. (the play we do run for him a lot is the one where most ppl are begging for him to shoot the 3 from the wing and its just.... asking a lot for a big to confidently take that shot, or put the ball down in the nba. i've always felt we've asked him to do too much. especially compared to how we treated cody in his rookie year)

we're playing him like he's boris diaw or mcbob but no rookie is that smart, or nuanced for that matter. defenses often just let him dribble in THEN collapse and he's always just stunned by it.

if you think about it, how many times do we clear out for him? or even run a play for a simple 18 footer on the baseline? never happens.

Agreed, but could it be that he benefits from Cody being the roll man? Or maybe he's too similar to Hawes and Hansbrough doesn't help the offense much?

Oh, in actual fact, Nick was out during the same games as Cody. That might be a bigger reason.

i can't make sense of franks best big counterpart. they're all inconsistent (cody in particular) but you can almost see frank waver between thinking too much and forcing something that isn't there

Well, I guess one can only hope that with more healthy bodies Frank will play better
MorbidHEAT wrote:My dislike for Lin started during Linsanity. It was absurd. It's probably irrational dislike at this point, but man he gets on my nerves. He's been tearing us up though.
Thanks for the honesty.
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Post#443 » by mrknowitall215 » Sat Jan 30, 2016 5:19 pm

This team is truly a sum of its parts and can't afford to lose any quality talent due to injury or it'll show
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Re: GT: Hornets @ Blazers Fri Jan 29 10PM EST 

Post#444 » by HornetJail » Sat Jan 30, 2016 5:24 pm

DY_nasty wrote:
ChokeFasncists wrote:
DY_nasty wrote:its common with rookie bigs to be streaky and take longer to develop. just like how turner is coming on late, frank's gonna get exposed a bit more. and with inconsistent lineups, its harder for any big on this kind of roster to get a rhythm. its not like we clear out for the guy or even run a number of plays for him. (the play we do run for him a lot is the one where most ppl are begging for him to shoot the 3 from the wing and its just.... asking a lot for a big to confidently take that shot, or put the ball down in the nba. i've always felt we've asked him to do too much. especially compared to how we treated cody in his rookie year)

we're playing him like he's boris diaw or mcbob but no rookie is that smart, or nuanced for that matter. defenses often just let him dribble in THEN collapse and he's always just stunned by it.

if you think about it, how many times do we clear out for him? or even run a play for a simple 18 footer on the baseline? never happens.

Agreed, but could it be that he benefits from Cody being the roll man? Or maybe he's too similar to Hawes and Hansbrough doesn't help the offense much?

Oh, in actual fact, Nick was out during the same games as Cody. That might be a bigger reason.

i can't make sense of franks best big counterpart. they're all inconsistent (cody in particular) but you can almost see frank waver between thinking too much and forcing something that isn't there

A better Nikola Mirotic. Frank's IQ is significantly higher. Their numbers this season are similar, but Frank just spazzes less in general on he's on the floor, leading to lower stats but less miscues. Bulls fans were in love with the guy last year, but not so much this year
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Post#445 » by DY_nasty » Sat Jan 30, 2016 6:36 pm

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I would rather invest in Harrison so I disagree.

Invest in him in the D-League.

We did. Then we didn't have 10 healthy bodies to dress and we had to call him back.

to do what? he can't get playing time on a roster full of zombies

send him back if we're STILL not going to use him lol
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Post#446 » by DY_nasty » Sat Jan 30, 2016 6:42 pm

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ChokeFasncists wrote:Agreed, but could it be that he benefits from Cody being the roll man? Or maybe he's too similar to Hawes and Hansbrough doesn't help the offense much?

Oh, in actual fact, Nick was out during the same games as Cody. That might be a bigger reason.

i can't make sense of franks best big counterpart. they're all inconsistent (cody in particular) but you can almost see frank waver between thinking too much and forcing something that isn't there

A better Nikola Mirotic. Frank's IQ is significantly higher. Their numbers this season are similar, but Frank just spazzes less in general on he's on the floor, leading to lower stats but less miscues. Bulls fans were in love with the guy last year, but not so much this year

They play very differently, despite the shooting similarities. Frank biggest strength is his ability to put the ball on the floor as a 7ft player from the 3pt line and also move the ball accordingly. Huge because it doesn't just force bigs to step out, it forces guards to help. He'll facilitate if nothing else. Mirotic is almost purely a scorer - if he's not doing that, then he's probably adding nothing to a team.

I mean... its kinda why people aren't constantly infuriated with Frank here. He still makes the ball move, plays good D (all things considered), and makes life easier for our guards. Mirotic when he's not hitting is reaaaaaaally pointless on the court.
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Post#447 » by yosemiteben » Sat Jan 30, 2016 7:49 pm

DY_nasty wrote:
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DY_nasty wrote:Invest in him in the D-League.

We did. Then we didn't have 10 healthy bodies to dress and we had to call him back.

to do what? he can't get playing time on a roster full of zombies

send him back if we're STILL not going to use him lol

We finished with 7 eligible players a couple nights ago. He's better than nothing.

Are you seriously upset that we called up Harrison given our injury situation?
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Post#448 » by Snidely FC » Sat Jan 30, 2016 8:38 pm

I thought this game turned in the last five minutes of the first half when multiple times POR beat the CHA defenders down the court to run straight to the rim before the middle of the defense was set. Just wanted to point this out because getting back on defense is something Cody Zeller gives the team that is overlooked, and was sorely missed during the game turning stretch last night.
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Post#449 » by bws94 » Sat Jan 30, 2016 8:56 pm

Snidely FC wrote:I thought this game turned in the last five minutes of the first half when multiple times POR beat the CHA defenders down the court to run straight to the rim before the middle of the defense was set. Just wanted to point this out because getting back on defense is something Cody Zeller gives the team that is overlooked, and was sorely missed during the game turning stretch last night.


And on the other side, MKG pushed the pace a few times leading to baskets at the rim. I wish we'd do that more, attacking in early offense. Sometimes Kemba does. I thought Lin would exploit that but he doesn't do it near as much as I think he should. MKG infuses energy on both sides of the court but he can't play 4 defensive positions. He needs help.
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Post#450 » by LostInACrowd » Sat Jan 30, 2016 9:50 pm

I don't think we have won a game this year when both Nic and Kemba have had bad games. I hate the Roberts and Kemba lineup. A backcourt with two 6 foot 1 inch guys, begs to be picked on.
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Post#451 » by DY_nasty » Sun Jan 31, 2016 1:36 am

yosemiteben wrote:
DY_nasty wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:We did. Then we didn't have 10 healthy bodies to dress and we had to call him back.

to do what? he can't get playing time on a roster full of zombies

send him back if we're STILL not going to use him lol

We finished with 7 eligible players a couple nights ago. He's better than nothing.

Are you seriously upset that we called up Harrison given our injury situation?

If we ever used him for anything, then I'd be all for it.

He still doesn't even see the court when everyone is dead. Why is he around at all?
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Post#452 » by yosemiteben » Sun Jan 31, 2016 2:25 am

DY_nasty wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:Are you seriously upset that we called up Harrison given our injury situation?

If we ever used him for anything, then I'd be all for it.

He still doesn't even see the court when everyone is dead. Why is he around at all?

Because if Roberts tweaks an ankle last game we have literally no one else capable of handling the ball.
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Post#453 » by DY_nasty » Sun Jan 31, 2016 2:39 am

yosemiteben wrote:
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yosemiteben wrote:Are you seriously upset that we called up Harrison given our injury situation?

If we ever used him for anything, then I'd be all for it.

He still doesn't even see the court when everyone is dead. Why is he around at all?

Because if Roberts tweaks an ankle last game we have literally no one else capable of handling the ball.

dude. we don't even trust harrison to bring the ball up the court in garbage time

all im saying is align the roster with the goals of the season. if you want a pet project, you have to acknowledge that you can't hang on to him when ppl start going down.

just look at it. we have 7 guys and he STILL didn't see the court. cliff was literally more willing to test the waters with noah vonleh last year. if we're gonna occupy the bench with a guy, lets make sure he's useful. the team is in terrible situation and there's STILL no time for the guy somehow. 4 pgs need to die before he sees the court? really? he's not even good in spot minutes before the half? find someone else
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Post#454 » by Eoghan » Sun Jan 31, 2016 4:40 am

Snidely FC wrote:I thought this game turned in the last five minutes of the first half when multiple times POR beat the CHA defenders down the court to run straight to the rim before the middle of the defense was set. Just wanted to point this out because getting back on defense is something Cody Zeller gives the team that is overlooked, and was sorely missed during the game turning stretch last night.

Not a Zeller fan but this is decidedly so. The look of disgust on Clifford's face when Vonleh flushed that alley oop was telling.
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Post#455 » by qiantom » Sun Jan 31, 2016 5:38 am

First game back from serious injury and the coach plays MKG 33+ minutes. This is all you need to know about this franchise in terms of managing injuries and playing time.
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Post#456 » by euphorbus » Sun Jan 31, 2016 7:03 am

qiantom wrote:First game back from serious injury and the coach plays MKG 33+ minutes. This is all you need to know about this franchise in terms of managing injuries and playing time.


Frankly, I was surprised that he started. Usually, coaches will work a player back into the lineup after serious injury. At least he said that the shoulder felt "great," with some conviction, after the game.

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