Giannis' Development

[H2tObes]

Has averaged 16/8/3/1/1 in January. This might be his ceiling guys, that looks like a Josh Smith line

How many TO's? Great month but definitely he seems to need to work on.

3 turnovers! Turnovers are something that will get a lot better in time with Giannis though. It really only makes sense for him to turn it over a **** ton at this stage in his development.

It's crazy how much our whole team turns it over sloppily, we would have won a bunch more game this season if we simply had experience

[MiltownHawkeye]

Has averaged 16/8/3/1/1 in January. This might be his ceiling guys, that looks like a Josh Smith line

How many TO's? Great month but definitely he seems to need to work on.

3 turnovers! Turnovers are something that will get a lot better in time with Giannis though. It really only makes sense for him to turn it over a **** ton at this stage in his development.

It's crazy how much our whole team turns it over sloppily, we would have won a bunch more game this season if we simply had experience

I agree, I'm ready to accept TOs as a part of the Giannis package if he keeps producing like this. He's a 7-footer that plays on the ball, it's going to happen a lot.

[imithanos]

The most common "Giannis"-mistake is the offensive charge to opponents and he has reduced it a lot. All other TOs will always be there and it's normal, if he is acting like a point-forward. Midds had some nights recently with many TOs too.
Among yesterday's TOs there were 2 passes that Middleton couldn't keep the ball(one of them probably in the last possession), another was a fast pass to Monroe or Plumlee during the first half(I can't recall to whom exactly) and one was Wade's "steal" in the last minute, that decided the game.

[Magic Giannison]

Man im really confused about how some people gauge the value. I get someone saying that Griffin for Wiggins is better value for the Clippers than Giannis fro Griffin....
What am i missing ?

[Prez]

Non-Bucks fans have no idea what level of prospect Giannis is. It's nothing new. His background gave him so little hype, he has to earn all the recognition he gets unlike Wiggins who has been in the spotlight for years now regardless of his actual play.

Ben Simmons right now is about the same age as last year's Giannis. I can't imagine how savage a beatdown 2nd year Giannis would give college basketball. A Pelicans fan on the T&T board said something that still sticks with me, he was talking about the Pelicans-Bucks game from last year where Giannis dropped 29 on Davis and went right at him...the poster said despite Davis clearly being the better player, there were stretches during the game where he wasn't sure who had the higher ceiling...in a game where Davis went for like 46 points or something. I've said this before but if Giannis was in college his rookie year like Wiggins/Jabari he'd have a MASSIVE hype machine around him. If he stayed an extra year to Simmons' age? He's getting generational talent hype.

[H2tObes]

Lets see if people ignore him if he is putting up 20/8/4 on a playoff team next year

[ZeppelinPage]

Non-Bucks fans have no idea what level of prospect Giannis is. It's nothing new. His background gave him so little hype, he has to earn all the recognition he gets unlike Wiggins who has been in the spotlight for years now regardless of his actual play.

Ben Simmons right now is about the same age as last year's Giannis. I can't imagine how savage a beatdown 2nd year Giannis would give college basketball. A Pelicans fan on the T&T board said something that still sticks with me, he was talking about the Pelicans-Bucks game from last year where Giannis dropped 29 on Davis and went right at him...the poster said despite Davis clearly being the better player, there were stretches during the game where he wasn't sure who had the higher ceiling...in a game where Davis went for like 46 points or something. I've said this before but if Giannis was in college his rookie year like Wiggins/Jabari he'd have a MASSIVE hype machine around him. If he stayed an extra year to Simmons' age? He's getting generational talent hype.

Some players just take a little extra time. Players like McGrady, Garnett, Pippen and Paul George didn't hit their highest level till their 4th or even 5th year. And considering Giannis didn't play in college for 4 years like Pippen or wasn't a top high school player (McGrady, Garnett) I think his current progress is pretty impressive. He is showing flashes to go along with his strong advanced stats from last year which were fantastic for his age.

[Jez2983]

Agree with the comments re reduced charges. Turnovers generally are related to him trying to set plays up now.

I think he's worked out how to play when defenders are hard on him-is using his spin move more. And in transition/on the move, he's worked out he just takes a massive step around a defender. He's dunking and laying the ball in from horrible positions near the ring just because he's so long. I don't think I remember a player doing this before.

[Magic Giannison]

IS there any doubt that if Giannis improves his Jumper he can easily average 20ppg?
it is already impressive that he averages 16ppg with a team that is badly fit and the opponents literally just guard the paint as they know we got no shooters ( besides Middleton ) to bring danger from outside?
Imagine how much easier for Giannis would it be to score if we could space the floor and him having a better jumper and him average more than 11 FGA.

[Jez2983]

If Giannis has 14-15 FGA per game he's well over 20 without a jump shot.

[MiltownHawkeye]

Man im really confused about how some people gauge the value. I get someone saying that Griffin for Wiggins is better value for the Clippers than Giannis fro Griffin....
What am i missing ?

Too many people still see PPG as a measure of basketball ability.

[ZeppelinPage]

A team full of shooters that could run the floor and Giannis would be scary. This team is like the opposite of what Giannis excels at, which is sad. No spacing and slow as ****.

[Magic Giannison]

Man im really confused about how some people gauge the value. I get someone saying that Griffin for Wiggins is better value for the Clippers than Giannis fro Griffin....
What am i missing ?

Too many people still see PPG as a measure of basketball ability.

Too many people also ignore how bad defense Wiggins play and how his ball handling is nowhere near Giannis.
I mean hech, people didnt know that the Giannis spin move dunk was his signature and were saying that he got it from wiggins.

Is it because we are a small market that got no hype or anything around it, i feel like more players doing less are getting way more getting than our players.
Hence why our players value could be underrated.

[AussieBuck]

If Giannis has 14-15 FGA per game he's well over 20 without a jump shot.

Yeah he can average 20 and never take a jumper again.

[H2tObes]

He needs to start shooting the mid range more this season. I know that's a shot he can hit, he has nice touch from mid range. His form gets all sorts of **** up when he tries to extend it to the 3 pointer. Someone should tell Giannis to use his legs more when he shoots a 3 so he isn't just heaving it towards the basket

[imithanos]

It's really confusing what's happening with Giannis' jump shots. Last season you could witness the effort and will to improve the jumper. He tried 3-4 per game. This season and after the first 10-15 games we rarely see it. Last game I remember, in which he shot many was the one with the Clippers in LA. eg Jabari obviously has the green light to shoot the ball from mid range and that is good, cause he won't get better otherwise. It's obvious also that Giannis' drive and game around the basket is his biggest strength, but does he follows orders from the training staff or he decided it alone? If it's the former isn't another sign that we are(actually were) in win now mode and not in a developing one and our FO is also confused?

[H2tObes]

It's really confusing what's happening with Giannis' jump shots. Last season you could witness the effort and will to improve the jumper. He tried 3-4 per game. This season and after the first 10-15 games we rarely see it. Last game I remember, in which he shot many was the one with the Clippers in LA. eg Jabari obviously has the green light to shoot the ball from mid range and that is good, cause if he won't get better otherwise. It's obvious also that Giannis' drive and game around the basket is his biggest strength, but does he follows orders from the training staff or he decided it alone? If it's the former isn't another sign that we are(actually were) in win now mode and not in a developing one and our FO is also confused?

Giannis is just too conscious, he knows him shooting a jump shot is going to be a low percentage shot. When he actually mans up and shoots one, he usually misses. After he misses one jump shot you can physically see the timidness towards shooting jumpers, he will second guess himself all night.

I think he needs to truly believe he is a good shooter, he knows his shot is pretty whack. Only way to do that is to get better at shooting, practicing. I wish he wasn't playing for Greece this summer so he could dedicate the offseason to learning how to shoot the 3

[coolhandluke121]

I've always been extremely optimistic with regard to Giannis's scoring potential, even by this board's standards. I know nearly everyone loved him, but a lot of people felt he would be more of a Kirilenko or Kukoc level scorer. However, he has such remarkable physical gifts for a guy his size that I think it's going to be very difficult to stop him even if he doesn't develop a good jumper. If he does, we could be talking a Pippen/KG hybrid. He has shown glimpses of being able to greatly improve his body control, and at his age and with his recent growth spurts that's all I need to see. I really hope they surround him with shooters though.

On a related note, that's still one of the reasons I've always wanted to trade Parker. Besides the size, conditioning, and injury, I just don't think the Bucks need him. His scoring is a nice luxury, but when you've got two likely 20+ ppg scorers with above average efficiency who also play very good defense, you can easily trade Parker to fill some other, more urgent needs. I think part of the reason people have been resistant to that idea is because they think Parker needs to be the alpha scorer, but I think people are coming around to the idea that Giannis and Middleton are very valuable offensive players in their own right.

[emunney]

Love Giannis but he'll never pass it like Simmons.

[Apollo64]

I wish he wasn't playing for Greece this summer so he could dedicate the offseason to learning how to shoot the 3

Funny thing is that when he played for Greece he was the shooter you want him to be. Coaches gave him the go ahead to take every open shot and keep shooting after misses, he was clanking them at first but eventually he started making them at a high clip. It's all a matter of confidence and psychology.