Hawks Trade Scenarios For Jeff Teague

[dms269]

What would you need from the Celtics for Teague and Horford?
Given Horford's expiring, he's not fetching much is he? Teague's a bargain for one more year.
How far off is:
2016 Boston pick
2016 Dallas pick
2017 Cleveland 2nd rounder
2017 Clippers 2nd rounder
RJ Hunter
James Young

?

Very, very far off. 2 picks in the 20s for Horford isn't very good value at all.

[robbie84]

What would you need from the Celtics for Teague and Horford?
Given Horford's expiring, he's not fetching much is he? Teague's a bargain for one more year.
How far off is:
2016 Boston pick
2016 Dallas pick
2017 Cleveland 2nd rounder
2017 Clippers 2nd rounder
RJ Hunter
James Young

?

Very, very far off. 2 picks in the 20s for Horford isn't very good value at all.

Horford isn't getting you more with only 6 months on his deal.
Teague has one year. They'll both be wanting big paydays.
Think about comparison trades for other players on expiring contracts.

If it's very far off then what is required?
Coz no one is giving you much more than that for a 4 month rental of Horford and a year of teague..

[MaceCase]

What would you need from the Celtics for Teague and Horford?
Given Horford's expiring, he's not fetching much is he? Teague's a bargain for one more year.
How far off is:
2016 Boston pick
2016 Dallas pick
2017 Cleveland 2nd rounder
2017 Clippers 2nd rounder
RJ Hunter
James Young

?

Very, very far off. 2 picks in the 20s for Horford isn't very good value at all.

Horford isn't getting you more with only 6 months on his deal.
Teague has one year. They'll both be wanting big paydays.
Think about comparison trades for other players on expiring contracts.

If it's very far off then what is required?
Coz no one is giving you much more than that for a 4 month rental of Horford and a year of teague..

Well your reasoning is based off situations where teams were motivated sellers. As it stands, there are no public declarations by Al Horford that he wants a trade or will leave in free agency that I know of and the team hasn't made any indication that they are unwilling or unable to resign him. The same goes for Teague so given that that is the case then yea, you bet your ass that you'll have to come up with a better package to acquire not just one but both. Value doesn't just exist in a vacuum, fyi.

[Hawk Eye]

I think it's weird that we haven't really heard any noise from Houston linked to the pursuit of Teague. They are usually the team that makes up allmost all of the trade buzz around the trade deadline. With Lawson clearly back firing on them I would think they would have been linked to the Teague rumors. it seems like the main suitors are Utah, Boston, New York, and to a lesser extent Dallas.

[robbie84]

Bazemore has good sample sizes too. He's a SG just like Bazemore. He's just a better shooter with more BBIQ but he's less athletic and not as a passer or playmaker. The last thing we need is another role player. Who's not even a true SF.

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He's a passer (2.5 apg in january). No need talking about him anyway since Utah won't sell him. Not for Jeff Teague anyway.

You the one here, we don't give a damn about your trash. It's trash to us, now if you talking Hayward for Teague, we all ears.

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King Ken you literally have no idea what you're talking about.
Do you watch any NBA other than the Hawks?

You're abusing reasonable posts/ideas and throwing back absolute trash proposals like Teague is a top 25 player with multiple years left on his deal. Pour yourself a drink or something man.
lol.

[robbie84]

Very, very far off. 2 picks in the 20s for Horford isn't very good value at all.

Horford isn't getting you more with only 6 months on his deal.
Teague has one year. They'll both be wanting big paydays.
Think about comparison trades for other players on expiring contracts.

If it's very far off then what is required?
Coz no one is giving you much more than that for a 4 month rental of Horford and a year of teague..

Well your reasoning is based off situations where teams were motivated sellers. As it stands, there are no public declarations by Al Horford that he wants a trade or will leave in free agency that I know of and the team hasn't made any indication that they are unwilling or unable to resign him. The same goes for Teague so given that that is the case then yea, you bet your ass that you'll have to come up with a better package to acquire not just one but both. Value doesn't just exist in a vacuum, fyi.

Correct me if I'm wrong ( I could be), but wasn't this discussion started because of Woj article and RealGM rumor header that said 'Hawks gauging interest in Horford and Teague'?
The Celtics enquiry headlines came after that.

If the Hawks want to 'hit reset' as Woj suggests they might do, then they are definitely motivated sellers with Horford's ability to walk and Teague on one year with Schroeder chomping to start...
Not wanting to start a battle with you but the entire premise of Horford/Teague trade scenario is that the Hawks would be motivated to reset ASAP. (Like starting next season when Horford is gone).

[atlantabbq99]

If the Celtics want a trade, then they have to start by offering the Nets' pick and then add on with additional players or picks. The Nets' pick is the bare minimum if you want the Hawks to sit at the table and listen to any offers.

[robbie84]

If the Celtics want a trade, then they have to start by offering the Nets' pick and then add on with additional players or picks. The Nets' pick is the bare minimum if you want the Hawks to sit at the table and listen to any offers.

Never happening.
An expiring, declining Al Horford, and one year of Jeff Teague, who is being replaced by a 22 year old for what should be a top 3 or 4 pick in a good draft..and more?

No one is offering the Hawks anything close to the value of the Brooklyn pick. If they were locked in to longer term deals, then yeah, the Brooklyn pick is potentially discussed- but if the Hawks really want to reset and rebuild etc, they aren't asking for any trade with Boston 'starting with the Brooklyn pick' ...

Because there is absolutely, positively, zero chance of that happening.
There's no point in discussing it further because the Celtics aren't giving up that pick for anything that the Hawks have. You could send Bazemore, Teague, Horford, Schroeder and the C's would say 'no thanks'.

If the Hawks owned Brooklyn's unprotected pick this year, would you trade it for a guy who would be a backup point guard (with only 1 year left) and an expiring Al Horford who can go to the highest bidder in 6 months? Maybe if you were Billy King.

Do you honestly believe you'll get a top 5 or 10 pick or equivalent player back in a trade for these 2 guys and their contract situations?

[No-Man]

Realistic teams and assets,

Utah, Burks, Burke, Ingles, maybe a 2nd or Hanlan's rights, you would have to send someone like Patterson or Holiday to make it work

Houston, fillers like Brewer or Ty Lawson (whom you can just cut), Terrence Jones or Motiejunas or Dekker, maybe the rights of a potential NBA player in Europe (the Rox have a bunch of interesting guys, Llull, Gentile, Todorovic, Diebler)

Milwaukee, basically a filler like Mayo, maybe a vet like Bayless and a young prospect, Inglis or O'Bryant+Ennis or Vaughn, I wouldnt want MCW but they would probably give him up for free if you are into him (probably not, he is an anti-Bud type of player)

Brooklyn, not much and I doubt it'd work, you didnt want RHJ back in June and I wont include him if I am BRK, so pretty much a filler and McCullough+Bogdanovic, that's what they have.

New York, could offer Lopez+Grant in case you trade/not re-sign Horford, other than that, nothing to offer.

I'd be happy with Utah's or Houston's potential offers, honestly the situation is difficult and moving him now is the way to go.
I'd move Korver and Horford too If I am Atlanta basically, no way Korver is having another All Star season and some teams might go for him, like OKC, plus Horford's max deal at his age is just way too rich for my blood.

[dms269]

What would you need from the Celtics for Teague and Horford?
Given Horford's expiring, he's not fetching much is he? Teague's a bargain for one more year.
How far off is:
2016 Boston pick
2016 Dallas pick
2017 Cleveland 2nd rounder
2017 Clippers 2nd rounder
RJ Hunter
James Young

?

Very, very far off. 2 picks in the 20s for Horford isn't very good value at all.

Horford isn't getting you more with only 6 months on his deal.
Teague has one year. They'll both be wanting big paydays.
Think about comparison trades for other players on expiring contracts.

If it's very far off then what is required?
Coz no one is giving you much more than that for a 4 month rental of Horford and a year of teague..

If you think this is a fair offer then take it over to trades and transactions. Don't post a deal on the Atlanta board asking for opinions and then when people give them to you get very defensive about the deals. Of course the Hawks board is going to be very pro-Atlanta. Your deal is horrible for Atlanta and makes no sense. They trade Horford and Teague and get back two picks in the 20s. Two players who average a combined 4.2 ppg and who would both be 3rd stringers if that, will not tip the deal in the favor of the Hawks.

So post this one on trades and transactions and see what the rest of the community thinks.

[robbie84]

Very, very far off. 2 picks in the 20s for Horford isn't very good value at all.

Horford isn't getting you more with only 6 months on his deal.
Teague has one year. They'll both be wanting big paydays.
Think about comparison trades for other players on expiring contracts.

If it's very far off then what is required?
Coz no one is giving you much more than that for a 4 month rental of Horford and a year of teague..

If you think this is a fair offer then take it over to trades and transactions. Don't post a deal on the Atlanta board asking for opinions and then when people give them to you get very defensive about the deals. Of course the Hawks board is going to be very pro-Atlanta. Your deal is horrible for Atlanta and makes no sense. They trade Horford and Teague and get back two picks in the 20s. Two players who average a combined 4.2 ppg and who would both be 3rd stringers if that, will not tip the deal in the favor of the Hawks.

So post this one on trades and transactions and see what the rest of the community thinks.

Of course I'm being defensive because you're not providing any constructive feedback or answering fair questions. There's nothing wrong with pointing out homerism in your reply.
You haven't given a reply about what would be a sufficient package, just criticized two players you probably know nothing about, and trashed the first round picks offered.
Think about all the expiring players in the last 5 seasons. The Thunder got 2 first round picks and two rookies for James Harden in his prime. Just because this is the ATL board doesn't mean I have to just accept your terrible proposals.
You haven't posted anything constructive, just said that it's 'way off' and refuse to elaborate on what would actually get a deal done.

[King Ken]

He's a passer (2.5 apg in january). No need talking about him anyway since Utah won't sell him. Not for Jeff Teague anyway.

You the one here, we don't give a damn about your trash. It's trash to us, now if you talking Hayward for Teague, we all ears.

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King Ken you literally have no idea what you're talking about.
Do you watch any NBA other than the Hawks?

You're abusing reasonable posts/ideas and throwing back absolute trash proposals like Teague is a top 25 player with multiple years left on his deal. Pour yourself a drink or something man.
lol.

Top 50 player and yes, that is what we want. Your insults don't bother me as I don't respect you to begin with.

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[dms269]

Horford isn't getting you more with only 6 months on his deal.
Teague has one year. They'll both be wanting big paydays.
Think about comparison trades for other players on expiring contracts.

If it's very far off then what is required?
Coz no one is giving you much more than that for a 4 month rental of Horford and a year of teague..

If you think this is a fair offer then take it over to trades and transactions. Don't post a deal on the Atlanta board asking for opinions and then when people give them to you get very defensive about the deals. Of course the Hawks board is going to be very pro-Atlanta. Your deal is horrible for Atlanta and makes no sense. They trade Horford and Teague and get back two picks in the 20s. Two players who average a combined 4.2 ppg and who would both be 3rd stringers if that, will not tip the deal in the favor of the Hawks.

So post this one on trades and transactions and see what the rest of the community thinks.

Of course I'm being defensive because you're not providing any constructive feedback or answering fair questions. There's nothing wrong with pointing out homerism in your reply.
You haven't given a reply about what would be a sufficient package, just criticized two players you probably know nothing about, and trashed the first round picks offered.
Think about all the expiring players in the last 5 seasons. The Thunder got 2 first round picks and two rookies for James Harden in his prime. Just because this is the ATL board doesn't mean I have to just accept your terrible proposals.
You haven't posted anything constructive, just said that it's 'way off' and refuse to elaborate on what would actually get a deal done.

It has been repeated many times here and the trade board that the following things are "off limits" to the Hawks (coming from Boston fans):
Crowder
Brooklyn 16
Thomas
Smart
Olynyk

It is hard for the Celtics to build an offer with the remaining pieces that will satisfy the Hawks. When someone told you what they wanted you made a post bashing them for proposing that. You are making very broad assumptions that Atlanta would want to reset, when there is no proof. Atlanta still has Millsap signed as well as Korver. Unless there are other deals where they trade away Millsap and Korver, then Atlanta is not looking to blow it up. Even if they were to blow it up they could certainly get more than 2 picks in the 20s.

There is going to be an element of homerism on this boards. What we think is going to sway to the Hawks, that is to be expected. It is the same if I went to the Boston board, I would expect to see proposed deals that are strictly favoring the Celtics. We are telling you that your proposed deal is too far off from what we are expecting.

Like I said, if you feel what we are saying is wrong (in terms of the deal) then post it up on trades and transactions and see what everyone says.

I was just giving you a fair warning that going onto another team's board, offering bad deals, and then getting upset when people call you out on them is frowned upon. It would be the same on any board.

[x-]

I think it's weird that we haven't really heard any noise from Houston linked to the pursuit of Teague. They are usually the team that makes up allmost all of the trade buzz around the trade deadline. With Lawson clearly back firing on them I would think they would have been linked to the Teague rumors. it seems like the main suitors are Utah, Boston, New York, and to a lesser extent Dallas.

Teague probably isn't high on the Rockets radar, because they've realized that (1) Beverley is a pretty good fit to Harden and (2) it's hard for most PGs to have much of an impact next to Harden, if they're aren't plus defenders and excel playing off the ball.

Also, perhaps more than anything, Morey only has enough assets to pair Harden & Howard with one more All-Star caliber player and given that the Rockets are 7th in offensive efficiency and 28th in defensive efficiency, filling the glaring hole at PF is much more of a priority.

That's why Horford and Millsap, not Teague, are the Hawks players the Rockets would probably have most interest in.

I also think it's BS that Horford hasn't much value. He might not get you a great deal from a team like the Celtics, but some of the win-now teams (like the Rockets) would give up quite a lot for him, since they wouldn't worry (as much) about him not re-signing or having to pay him the max.

[MaceCase]

Horford isn't getting you more with only 6 months on his deal.
Teague has one year. They'll both be wanting big paydays.
Think about comparison trades for other players on expiring contracts.

If it's very far off then what is required?
Coz no one is giving you much more than that for a 4 month rental of Horford and a year of teague..

Well your reasoning is based off situations where teams were motivated sellers. As it stands, there are no public declarations by Al Horford that he wants a trade or will leave in free agency that I know of and the team hasn't made any indication that they are unwilling or unable to resign him. The same goes for Teague so given that that is the case then yea, you bet your ass that you'll have to come up with a better package to acquire not just one but both. Value doesn't just exist in a vacuum, fyi.

Correct me if I'm wrong ( I could be), but wasn't this discussion started because of Woj article and RealGM rumor header that said 'Hawks gauging interest in Horford and Teague'?
The Celtics enquiry headlines came after that.

If the Hawks want to 'hit reset' as Woj suggests they might do, then they are definitely motivated sellers with Horford's ability to walk and Teague on one year with Schroeder chomping to start...
Not wanting to start a battle with you but the entire premise of Horford/Teague trade scenario is that the Hawks would be motivated to reset ASAP. (Like starting next season when Horford is gone).

You're reading farther into "gauging interest" than anyone else then. What that could very clearly mean is that....they are gauging interest...as in seeing what the market may hold and not just accepting whatever crap gets thrown around. In other words, it's called due diligence.

[atlantabbq99]

If the Celtics want a trade, then they have to start by offering the Nets' pick and then add on with additional players or picks. The Nets' pick is the bare minimum if you want the Hawks to sit at the table and listen to any offers.

Never happening.
An expiring, declining Al Horford, and one year of Jeff Teague, who is being replaced by a 22 year old for what should be a top 3 or 4 pick in a good draft..and more?

No one is offering the Hawks anything close to the value of the Brooklyn pick. If they were locked in to longer term deals, then yeah, the Brooklyn pick is potentially discussed- but if the Hawks really want to reset and rebuild etc, they aren't asking for any trade with Boston 'starting with the Brooklyn pick' ...

Because there is absolutely, positively, zero chance of that happening.
There's no point in discussing it further because the Celtics aren't giving up that pick for anything that the Hawks have. You could send Bazemore, Teague, Horford, Schroeder and the C's would say 'no thanks'.

If the Hawks owned Brooklyn's unprotected pick this year, would you trade it for a guy who would be a backup point guard (with only 1 year left) and an expiring Al Horford who can go to the highest bidder in 6 months? Maybe if you were Billy King.

Do you honestly believe you'll get a top 5 or 10 pick or equivalent player back in a trade for these 2 guys and their contract situations?

If that is the case then you can just go away, because at this point you are just wasting our time. The Hawks are way too busy to listen to ridiculously bad offers.

[jayu70]

The whole rental deal for Al and him being not worth much because of it is so off base it's crazy. Just last season look at what Portland traded for Aaron Afflalo when they were still trying to win and make the playoffs...

The Blazers sent Thomas Robinson, Will Barton, Victor Claver and a lottery-protected first-round pick to the Nuggets for Afflalo and Alonzo Gee.
The first-round pick sent to the Nuggets is lottery-protected in 2016 and 2017. It becomes two future second-round picks if the Blazers miss the playoffs in each of those seasons.

There is no need for the Hawks to trade him for garbage. If a team wants him bad enough for a playoff run or have no CAPSPACE next summer they will pay for it.

[Daddy 801]

I look forward to Teague being traded just to see how far off people are on evaluating him. Maybe I'm wrong. But I look forward to finding out.

[knicksfan1984]

out of curiosity, how likely is an Affalo for Teague swap?

[Jamaaliver]

out of curiosity, how likely is an Affalo for Teague swap?

Sadly, it's probably not that far off.

We do need a wing. And the salaries do match. (IIRC)


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