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Trade Deadline Countdown....January 2016

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Trade Deadline Countdown....What will we do? What should we do? 

Post#501 » by lilfishi22 » Mon Feb 1, 2016 3:04 am

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Frank Lee wrote:You keep IT... you don't trade for Knight. You don't trade for Knight, you retain what could be a top pick. You also don't spend 70mil on a 23yr old with hopes he 'gets it' one day.

So its basically

IT at 7 mill X 3 plus fLaker pick (with protection)
or
Knight at 14 mil x 5 plus Cleve pick (likely 25+)

at least acknowledge its much more than just Thomas vs Knight. Don't vacuum pack your opinions for convenience.



Hindsight's a beautiful thing, Frank. Much easier to condemn after the fact, than it is to decide to make the deal at the time.

Let's also not forget that Knight was 4th in All-Star voting, while IT wasn't anywhere close, and IT is 2 years, 10 months older. Also, IT is 5'10', with a 6'2" Wingspan and 7'8" Reach, whereas Knight is 6'3", with a 6'8" Wingspan and 8'3" Reach--he's got a 5"-7" advantage in all aspects. And IT is purely a PG, whereas Knight is more SG than PG, and I a better 'fit' next to Bledsoe. Of course the pick tied to IT is going to be better, as on paper Knight is the better prospect. And IT had a lot of issues on this team, we didn't know then, that Knight was going to have issues. Leave IT on this team, and leave Brandon Knight on the Bucks, and any guesses who would look better this year, right now? I don't. People would be bashing IT just like last year for the same issues he had last year, and give fans the knowledge that we almost traded for Knight, and they would be pining for Knight, wishing we would've signed him and traded IT.

Again, hindsight is 20/20; a lot harder to project these issues than it is to look back and say "Wow, that was a horrible deal."

Lets not pretend we loved the Knight deal from the beginning. It was horrible then, and its horrible now. We only talked ourselves into liking Knight because of this great play at the start of the season, and because we had to for our own mental health. Giving up that pick and young players in Plumlee and Ennis too? Well thats just gravy.

IT had to be chased out of town because of the chaos he "caused". Dragic was crying, and the front office had to look for someone who was responsible (even though it was their fault). The suns fandom would riot had we kept the supposedly "ballhog" and napoleon complex IT over their homegrown hero Goran.

Personally id have neither of the three PG's. Draft picks are sexier because if they pan out, you get control of a young player for low cost for a long time. If you dont wanna take it, you can always trade it for good value. And really, Bled is good enough. The fiasco at last years trade deadline should have been a sign for the FO to ditch the two PG lineup. Now im just glad its gonna be forcibly gone because of our lights-out SG rook.

I'm with you and Frank on this. I've made no secret that I strongly disliked the Knight trade from the beginning. I don't disagree that Knight is probably a better fit next to Bledsoe because of his size and in that respect, McD did the right thing by getting your "star" player a team mate that is a better fit. But I never thought Knight was that guy. I didn't like how he got points, I didn't like his offense and I didn't like that he couldn't run an offense. I especially didn't like that he's coming off
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Post#502 » by RKL » Mon Feb 1, 2016 4:51 am

What would it take for Devin Booker?
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Post#503 » by bwgood77 » Mon Feb 1, 2016 4:57 am

RKL wrote:What would it take for Devin Booker?


No one anyone would trade.
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Post#504 » by saintEscaton » Mon Feb 1, 2016 5:17 am

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RKL wrote:What would it take for Devin Booker?


No one anyone would trade.


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Post#505 » by RKL » Mon Feb 1, 2016 5:20 am

Could Julius Randle help PHX's PF position?
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Post#506 » by RKL » Mon Feb 1, 2016 5:21 am

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RKL wrote:What would it take for Devin Booker?


No one anyone would trade.

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Post#507 » by SunsFanSSOL » Mon Feb 1, 2016 5:22 am

Lakers fans seem determined to pair Booker with D'Angelo.

We don't want Clarkson, we don't want Randle, Booker is untouchable.

I'd only trade Booker if we were getting Durant, Westbrook, Curry, George or Davis back.
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Post#508 » by saintEscaton » Mon Feb 1, 2016 5:30 am

RKL wrote:Could Julius Randle help PHX's PF position?


Randle can run the open court like a gazelle ,crash the boards and has a relentless motor but I think he will end up as another r Thomas Robinson because of his short wingspan and T-Rex arms , so he needs to develop a faceup game and range because he's not physically imposing enough to just bully his way to the basket at this level. Plus he's an absolute turnstile on defense .Thank you but no thank you, I'm not particularly high on any of the Laker's core despite being low on most of our guys.
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Post#509 » by RKL » Mon Feb 1, 2016 5:38 am

SunsFanSSOL wrote:Lakers fans seem determined to pair Booker with D'Angelo.

We don't want Clarkson, we don't want Randle, Booker is untouchable.

I'd only trade Booker if we were getting Durant, Westbrook, Curry, George or Davis back.


Well that's because Russell/Booker already had some chemistry and I could understand not being interested in Clarkson when you have Bledsoe/Knight.
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Post#510 » by RKL » Mon Feb 1, 2016 5:48 am

saintEscaton wrote:
RKL wrote:Could Julius Randle help PHX's PF position?


Randle can run the open court like a gazelle ,crash the boards and has a relentless motor but I think he will end up as another r Thomas Robinson because of his short wingspan and T-Rex arms , so he needs to develop a faceup game and range because he's not physically imposing enough to just bully his way to the basket at this level. Plus he's an absolute turnstile on defense .Thank you but no thank you, I'm not particularly high on any of the Laker's core despite being low on most of our guys.


Oh he'll be better than Robinson off of effort alone. I do agree his jumper needs work but it has been looking better than before and something that should improve. Defense too. I understand the standing pat though.
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Post#511 » by Mr-Al » Mon Feb 1, 2016 5:53 am

Think we have anything (besides Booker) that would get Russell from the Lakers?

They envision Westbrook their either way

I think him and Booker would make an interesting pairing

Maybe like Chandler + Knight + Whatever for Russell + Hibbert + whatever

It's possible that having Chandler would make LA more appealing for free agents this summer

It also allows us to explore Bledsoe trades in the summer
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Post#512 » by letsgosuns » Mon Feb 1, 2016 5:56 am

Is this a joke? The Lakers want Devin Booker? For what? You gonna get a time machine and go back in time to the 1996 NBA Draft and bring back Kobe? Get outta here. Booker is the third youngest player in NBA history to have a thirty point game. The other four guys in the top five of that list are Durant, James, Kobe, and Carmelo. Booker is probably one of the most untouchable players in the league. I would not trade Booker for anyone right now. Youngest player in the league and looks like a future superstar. Why would the Suns even consider trading him?
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Post#513 » by Mr-Al » Mon Feb 1, 2016 6:01 am

Phoenix: D. Russell + Hibbert (expiring)

Brooklyn: Knight + Kieff + 2016 Cleveland 1st

LA: Brook Lopez + Mirza and/or Goodwin

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=jb38szu
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Post#515 » by blacksun » Mon Feb 1, 2016 6:08 am

Mr-Al wrote:Phoenix: Russell + Hibbert (expiring)

Brooklyn: Knight + Kieff + 2016 Cleveland 1st

LA: Brook Lopez + Mirza

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=jb38szu


Or something like your earlier, simpler proposal.

LA Lakers: Knight, Chandler, Cle 2016 1st
Phoenix: Russell, Hibbert, Young
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Post#516 » by Mr-Al » Mon Feb 1, 2016 6:10 am

blacksun wrote:
Mr-Al wrote:Phoenix: Russell + Hibbert (expiring)

Brooklyn: Knight + Kieff + 2016 Cleveland 1st

LA: Brook Lopez + Mirza

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=jb38szu


Or something like your earlier, simpler proposal.

LA Lakers: Knight, Chandler, Cle 2016 1st
Phoenix: Russell, Hibbert, Young


Yeah that works as well

We don't need Young coming back either thankfully

Just add Huertas to the deal and it works in the trade machine

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=z6v26vn

Still think the Lakers would like the Brooklyn deal a bit better though.

I don't know how much hope they have in Westbrook, but I think they would envision Durant liking playing with Lopez over a ballhogging Knight
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Post#517 » by bwgood77 » Mon Feb 1, 2016 6:22 am

Would you trade our first round pick this year if it falls outside of top two, Knight, Warren and Goodwin for Hayward?
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Post#518 » by blacksun » Mon Feb 1, 2016 6:26 am

bwgood77 wrote:Would you trade our first round pick this year if it falls outside of top two, Knight, Warren and Goodwin for Hayward?


Thats a lot to give up for Hayward imo.
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Post#519 » by TeamTragic » Mon Feb 1, 2016 6:28 am

blacksun wrote:
Mr-Al wrote:Phoenix: Russell + Hibbert (expiring)

Brooklyn: Knight + Kieff + 2016 Cleveland 1st

LA: Brook Lopez + Mirza

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=jb38szu


Or something like your earlier, simpler proposal.

LA Lakers: Knight, Chandler, Cle 2016 1st
Phoenix: Russell, Hibbert, Young


If that trade happens and either Hibbert and/or Young EVER wear a SUNS uniform I'm just going to stop watching the NBA. If you thought Childress/Beasley/Horry were bad :noway:

bwgood77 wrote:Would you trade our first round pick this year if it falls outside of top two, Knight, Warren and Goodwin for Hayward?


Knight/Warren/Goodwin/2016 Top 5 for Hayward? That is way too much. Take out Warren or the pick and then that becomes a maybe.
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Post#520 » by Mr-Al » Mon Feb 1, 2016 6:34 am

GoranTragic wrote:
blacksun wrote:
Mr-Al wrote:Phoenix: Russell + Hibbert (expiring)

Brooklyn: Knight + Kieff + 2016 Cleveland 1st

LA: Brook Lopez + Mirza

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=jb38szu


Or something like your earlier, simpler proposal.

LA Lakers: Knight, Chandler, Cle 2016 1st
Phoenix: Russell, Hibbert, Young


If that trade happens and either Hibbert and/or Young EVER wear a SUNS uniform I'm just going to stop watching the NBA. If you thought Childress/Beasley/Horry were bad :noway:

bwgood77 wrote:Would you trade our first round pick this year if it falls outside of top two, Knight, Warren and Goodwin for Hayward?


Knight/Warren/Goodwin/2016 Top 5 for Hayward? That is way too much. Take out Warren or the pick and then that becomes a maybe.



well Hibbert is expiring so it doesn't even matter
and Young's salary isn't even necessary for the deal

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