Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread (Part 2)

[MaceCase]

Am I the only one that is annoyed as hell with Boston getting a potential top 3 pick from the Nets after we had their pick for years?

Just the way of the world. The darling franchises of the NBA always catch the breaks that other franchises never seem to get.

[PandaKidd]

I would trade today, if they would let me:
Millsap+Thabo = Blake Griffin (why WOULDNT LAC do this deal? They get a perimeter defender and a much better fit in PM who gets to play next to a true center. Hes more the player they would need IMO over Blake Griffin.

I would trade Horford for :
Avery Bradley/Sullinger/PICKs (every one of them outside of Brooklyn)
OR
Derozan if we can get a WINK WINK NUDGE NUDGE hell resign this summer
OR
Otto Porter JR/NENE (expiring) (also could package Splitter in this deal).

Teague:
Anyone, Ive heard Burk/Burks from UTAH, ive heard KNICKS, i dont really care just get decent value.

ID rather go into this summer with a "SUPERSTAR" in Griffin to attract other talent, DS, Otto Porter to develop , a budding Superstar in Derozan.

This season would be running up the white flag and just getting a feel for the new personnel and some of the young guys on the roster.

This team is barrelling towards being the second coming of mediocrity. Ive seen that movie before. Id rather them have the balls to blow it up and rebuild/retool than to follow this team off the cliff.

They should actively be shopping Korver as well.

They NEED TO HIRE A REAL GM in the offseason.

[PandaKidd]

The Jazz are "indeed considering" a Jeff Teague trade, multiple sources told KSL.com.
There has been a lot of smoke behind this particular rumor, and while it makes sense on the surface for both teams, there has been "no formal contact" made between the two sides. However, the trade deadline is now less than three weeks away, so expect the hot stove to heat up in the near future. One potential issue is Teague's "recurring left ankle injury, the result of spraining it multiple times over the past two seasons."

[jayu70]

I can understand the Hawks moving Teague to save money and anoint Schroeder the default point guard, it's the Horford bit I don't understand- that they don't want to pay him 20 million, or are worried he'll walk?

I don't think the Hawks are trying to save money trading Teague. I think Bud thinks Shroeder might be ready to start (wether correct or not). I think they are trying to also upgrade the wings and better be upgrading REBOUNDING.

[jayu70]

Celtics send:
2016 Celtics first
2016 Dallas first
2018 Memphis first
RJ Hunter
James Young

ATL send:
Horford
Teague

Some ATL fans will say it's not enough but Horford in particular isn't getting much with 4 months on his deal.

We got Isaiah Thomas for a first round pick and he's on Teague's level but on much better long term money.

What do ATL want from Boston?

Trading Horford and Teague means a rebuild - we need 'quality pieces and unprotected lottery picks to rebuild - not marginal players and low draft picks.

[jayu70]

Am I the only one that is annoyed as hell with Boston getting a potential top 3 pick from the Nets after we had their pick for years?

SMH...that Leprechaun.

[Jamaaliver]

NBA Lockdown crew ...discusses the Hawks financial situation and likelihood Teague gets traded
HawksTalk Starts at 24:30 minute mark

• Amin isn't high on Teague...but thinks Dennis is terrible.
  
• See us similar to POR with Lamarcus, McCollum and Lillard.
  
• See Jazz as best trade partner
  
• Marc Berman Stein? thinks Teague is likely traded...but it may come this summer instead of this month

[PandaKidd]

Yeah I mean its been all over the place, ive seen some people saying they are 100% sure Teague is gone, the other half say Atlanta will sit tight and reevaluate this summer (even if it means losing AH for nothing).

[Geaux_Hawks]

If I had my way, this would be my "Braves style firesale".

Horford+Thabo for Blake Griffin

I would trade Milsaps for Oladipo+Frye+pick

Burk/Burks from UTAH for Teague

Free Agency I would pick up Nico Batum

The Hawks need someone the city can be attracted to that will fill Phillips Arena and attract more quality free agents, while getting younger as a team.

Blake Griffin would be the perfect fit for that. Add in Oladipo and Alec Burks to develop on the perimeter, with DS handling the point, and we are back in business with a true star player surrounded by a highly talented, young core of guys around him.

Batum gives you your #2 guy with great defense to boot.

You keep Tiago around to give you a true 5 that only needs to hustle and bang in the post. Plus his vet experience would be nice to have as well.

Dennis
Oladipo
Batum
Griffin
Tiago

Frye, Burkes, and KK off the bench

[PandaKidd]

I'm in

[Jamaaliver]

If I had my way, this would be my "Braves style firesale".

Dennis
Oladipo
Batum
Griffin
Tiago

Frye, Burkes, and KK off the bench

I like it. And this is the type of reboot I've been begging for over the last year plus.

Getting younger, but not completely starting over.

Not sure 3 months of Horford gets us Blake, but this is the direction we should be looking in:

Acquiring young talent, keeping productive vets to build around. Still a playoff team in the East...but with the chance to grow and improve over time.

NOTE: We really need a vet PG to mentor Dennis.

Well done.

[Jamaaliver]

Am I the only one that is annoyed as hell with Boston getting a potential top 3 pick from the Nets after we had their pick for years?

I think Danny Ainge is a complete slime-ball.

But he is one of the more savvy GMs in the league. Turning over-the hill Hall Of Famers into an (unprotected?) draft pick as that team goes into decline...brilliant.

Moving an expiring Rondo last year and getting Jae Crowder in return...brilliant.

Moving a late first rounder to PHX for a PG who goes on to be All Star (I. Thomas II)...brilliant.

Trading an up and coming Center for Garnett and a Top 5 pick for Ray Allen and competing for two titles in three years...brilliant.

He always is two steps ahead of most others and doesn't allow top assets to die and wither on the vine.

Hawks and Celtics were neck and neck 9 years ago as just awful franchises rebuilding with youth. What the Celtics have done since 2008 under Ainge has been undeniably genius.

[ATL Boy]

If I had my way, this would be my "Braves style firesale".

Dennis
Oladipo
Batum
Griffin
Tiago

Frye, Burkes, and KK off the bench

I like it. And this is the type of reboot I've been begging for over the last year plus.

Getting younger, but not completely starting over.

Not sure 3 months of Horford gets us Blake, but this is the direction we should be looking in:

Acquiring young talent, keeping productive vets to build around. Still a playoff team in the East...but with the chance to grow and improve over time.

NOTE: We really need a vet PG to mentor Dennis.

Well done.

I'm in

So we're all in agreement with these series of moves. Now, does anyone have Coach Bud's contact info?


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[PandaKidd]

I think Millsap /thabo gets you Blake , I'm not sure AH does because of his contract but yes , we are in agreement this team needs major changes.

Mannix today said on 92.9 the game that the Celtics have been the most engaged over AH

[MaxwellSmart]

Am I the only one that is annoyed as hell with Boston getting a potential top 3 pick from the Nets after we had their pick for years?

I think Danny Ainge is a complete slime-ball.

But he is one of the more savvy GMs in the league. Turning over-the hill Hall Of Famers into an (unprotected?) draft pick as that team goes into decline...brilliant.

Moving an expiring Rondo last year and getting Jae Crowder in return...brilliant.

Moving a late first rounder to PHX for a PG who goes on to be All Star (I. Thomas II)...brilliant.

Trading an up and coming Center for Garnett and a Top 5 pick for Ray Allen and competing for two titles in three years...brilliant.

He always is two steps ahead of most others and doesn't allow top assets to die and wither on the vine.

Hawks and Celtics were neck and neck 9 years ago as just awful franchises rebuilding with youth. What the Celtics have done since 2008 under Ainge has been undeniably genius.

He actually turned this into THREE Unprotected 1st round picks(2014/2016/2018)--and the right to switch picks in 2017..Truly Unbelievable.

[Froob]

I think Millsap /thabo gets you Blake , I'm not sure AH does because of his contract but yes , we are in agreement this team needs major changes.

Mannix today said on 92.9 the game that the Celtics have been the most engaged over AH

Interested to see if this goes down, seems like Ainge gets himself into a rumor trading for every possible player on the trade block. C's have more picks than they can actually use so I think it makes sense if Atlanta doesn't want to pay Horford. Is Bradley of interest to Atlanta? I think Terry Rozier is a good player in the wings and could replace Bradley (though not quite as good).

[robbie84]

Celtics send:
2016 Celtics first
2016 Dallas first
2018 Memphis first
RJ Hunter
James Young

ATL send:
Horford
Teague

Some ATL fans will say it's not enough but Horford in particular isn't getting much with 4 months on his deal.

We got Isaiah Thomas for a first round pick and he's on Teague's level but on much better long term money.

What do ATL want from Boston?

Trading Horford and Teague means a rebuild - we need 'quality pieces and unprotected lottery picks to rebuild - not marginal players and low draft picks.

I agree that if you take that path, you're rebuilding- or at least re-tooling. But what do you expect to get for an expiring Horford and a year of Teague?
I'm not trying to start an argument, but I think you guys are overestimating the value of Horford.
As mentioned before, just because you as a fanbase want more than some picks and young 'potential' players, other teams have to be prepared to give those things up.

Put yourself in say, the Celtics front office's shoes.
They like Horford, would love him for a playoff push, but how much do you really want to give up for a guy who is talking about a $149 million dollar contract next year and can go where ever he wants? There's no way anyone is paying him that size contract, so bird rights are useless unless you want to pay him that much- so he can walk to the highest bidder.

If the Hawks didn't have Horford, how much would the Hawks give up for a 3 month rental for a similar 15 point/7 rebound player (who has great defensive impact too) without reassurance he would sign for a reasonable amount?

I understand there are needs/wants from both sides, but I feel like Hawks fans aren't separating the value of Horford signed for at least a year, and a Horford with 4 months left before he expires and then walks to the highest bidder.
Hope that makes sense.

[PandaKidd]

I think Millsap /thabo gets you Blake , I'm not sure AH does because of his contract but yes , we are in agreement this team needs major changes.

Mannix today said on 92.9 the game that the Celtics have been the most engaged over AH

Interested to see if this goes down, seems like Ainge gets himself into a rumor trading for every possible player on the trade block. C's have more picks than they can actually use so I think it makes sense if Atlanta doesn't want to pay Horford. Is Bradley of interest to Atlanta? I think Terry Rozier is a good player in the wings and could replace Bradley (though not quite as good).

Check my teams, I would be happy if the Cs got Horford and I would be happy the Hawks got something in return .

(Im from Boston but live in Atlanta, so , my allegiance is always to the Celts, but, I support the hometown team too).

I agree the Celtics dont NEED to give up a ton to get AH, but, I could see where Ainge says "I can only do so much with these picks". He could give up "overpay" for the chance to get AH and that could REALLY make that team dangerous. Im sure there would be a wink wink with AH that he would sign long term

[Fencer reregistered]

Im sure there would be a wink wink with AH that he would sign long term

The problem is whether there could be.

I'm not worried about tampering charges or a Carlos Boozer/Cleveland kind of mess. Horford seems like the kind of guy who, if he committed, would mean it.

(Uh, am I right about that?? Atlanta fans know him a lot better than I do.)

My concern is -- why would he make such a commitment?

[Geaux_Hawks]

If I had my way, this would be my "Braves style firesale".

Dennis
Oladipo
Batum
Griffin
Tiago

Frye, Burkes, and KK off the bench

I like it. And this is the type of reboot I've been begging for over the last year plus.

Getting younger, but not completely starting over.

Not sure 3 months of Horford gets us Blake, but this is the direction we should be looking in:

Acquiring young talent, keeping productive vets to build around. Still a playoff team in the East...but with the chance to grow and improve over time.

NOTE: We really need a vet PG to mentor Dennis.

Well done.

My thinking is Horford puts LAC into legit contender in the west, while Sefo gives them a defender off the bench. We can add some picks if need be. If Horford doesn't get it done I would do Sap as well. Horford could go to a lot of the playoff teams for some quality pieces.

The main point is to get younger though, and I think Griffin is a realistic shot for us.