Why do I have the fear that the Lakers dont have many fans in LA compared elsewhere?

[gts1]

that doesn't include metro areas for those cities though right, just the city proper

I don't know. It's always been of apples and oranges but everyone in the marketing world just calls them grapes.

Like when they compare NYC to LA market size they use just Los Angeles city and not the county but NYC is made up if the different burrows which are comprised of 5 different counties but that's all counted as one

If you actually use all of LA including the county the LA market is larger than the New York market but as my marketing/ sponsorship guy used to say it is what it is those lines were drawn up 75 years ago and nobody is inclined to set things straight since they all work in NY...ha


Sent from my iPhone using RealGM Forums

[Spens1]

that doesn't include metro areas for those cities though right, just the city proper

I don't know. It's always been of apples and oranges but everyone in the marketing world just calls them grapes.

Like when they compare NYC to LA market size they use just Los Angeles city and not the county but NYC is made up if the different burrows which are comprised of 5 different counties but that's all counted as one

If you actually use all of LA including the county the LA market is larger than the New York market but as my marketing/ sponsorship guy used to say it is what it is those lines were drawn up 75 years ago and nobody is inclined to set things straight since they all work in NY...ha


Sent from my iPhone using RealGM Forums

NYC has the 5 boroughs i know, not sure if Brooklyn is still a NYK market or not (i would imagine it would be), but why wouldn't the Lakers market not extend into the metro area as well? i mean population wise i'd imagine it would be pretty similar since the New York Metro area stats include New Jersey if i'm not mistaken

[gts1]

that doesn't include metro areas for those cities though right, just the city proper

I don't know. It's always been of apples and oranges but everyone in the marketing world just calls them grapes.

Like when they compare NYC to LA market size they use just Los Angeles city and not the county but NYC is made up if the different burrows which are comprised of 5 different counties but that's all counted as one

If you actually use all of LA including the county the LA market is larger than the New York market but as my marketing/ sponsorship guy used to say it is what it is those lines were drawn up 75 years ago and nobody is inclined to set things straight since they all work in NY...ha


Sent from my iPhone using RealGM Forums

NYC has the 5 boroughs i know, not sure if Brooklyn is still a NYK market or not (i would imagine it would be), but why wouldn't the Lakers market not extend into the metro area as well? i mean population wise i'd imagine it would be pretty similar since the New York Metro area stats include New Jersey if i'm not mistaken

not sure why when they count this stuff the lines redrawn when're they are drawn.. I imagine it has a lot to do with advertising rates and the what not.. like I said, the parameters were drawn up long ago and that's just how they do it... LA Now did a great article awhile ago, I may have bookmarked it.. See If I can dig it up

[gts1]

that doesn't include metro areas for those cities though right, just the city proper

I don't know. It's always been of apples and oranges but everyone in the marketing world just calls them grapes.

Like when they compare NYC to LA market size they use just Los Angeles city and not the county but NYC is made up if the different burrows which are comprised of 5 different counties but that's all counted as one

If you actually use all of LA including the county the LA market is larger than the New York market but as my marketing/ sponsorship guy used to say it is what it is those lines were drawn up 75 years ago and nobody is inclined to set things straight since they all work in NY...ha


Sent from my iPhone using RealGM Forums

NYC has the 5 boroughs i know, not sure if Brooklyn is still a NYK market or not (i would imagine it would be), but why wouldn't the Lakers market not extend into the metro area as well? i mean population wise i'd imagine it would be pretty similar since the New York Metro area stats include New Jersey if i'm not mistaken

didn't save the link but did save highlights for a proposal I was working on. also not from LA Now, but LA Weekly.. not the whole article, but highlights and less the sniping at NYC comments



*Our county is their city. Comparing New York City's population (8.3 million) with the city of L.A.'s (3,884,307) doesn't make sense. The five boroughs of New York City each comprise their own county. The city of L.A. is within the larger county of L.A., but it's really all the same place to most casual observers.

You don't blink when you go to Santa Monica, Beverly Hills, or Glendale, and think, Wow, I'm in a different city. But you are, supposedly. Numbers-wise, those places ought to be treated more like L.A.'s version of a borough. Beverly Hills is almost completely surrounded by the city of L.A. The same story applies to Culver City. Yet we're penalized in population rankings for having a different system of governments.

And here's the thing: L.A. County's population is bigger than the aggregated population of the five counties that we know as New York City. We have 10,019,365 people, nearly 2 million more than New York City.

*L.A. is bigger in square miles. Since we're talking big here, let's talk land. We know this isn't the main measuring stick, and that there are some counties in the United States that have us beat. But play along, anyway. L.A. County has 4,084 square miles. New York City has 304.8 square miles.


*The urban definitions don't match up. Measurements of New York are often quite broad. Like this one: "It stretches far beyond City Hall in Manhattan, 50 miles west to Hackettstown, New Jersey, 90 miles east to Sag Harbor Long Island, 55 miles north to Dutchess County, New York, and 80 miles south to Ocean County, New Jersey."

Fair enough. But if we're going to give New York so much leeway to, you know, actually exist in other states and stuff, should't L.A. be defined by the greater, SoCal urban mass? Honestly, if it weren't for Camp Pendleton in San Diego County, urban Southern California would run uninterrupted between Ventura County and Tijuana. And that's a lot of people.

In fact, the Southern California Association of Governments says it represents 18 million people who live in Imperial, Los Angeles, Orange, Riverside, San Bernardino and Ventura counties. Add in the population of San Diego County, and you're looking at a 21-million-strong megacity. Even though the urbanity doesn't actually stop until the outskirts of Tijuana (population 1.3 million), we'll leave out TJ since, like Philadephia, it's a metropolis with its own cultural force.

Greater New York's official population for its U.S.-designated "metropolitan statistical area" is 19,949,502. That includes cites and counties in other states: Newark, Jersey City, the "NY-NJ-PA Metro Area," Dutchess County, Putnam County, Nassau County, Suffolk County, and even White Plains. Wow.

While greater L.A.'s number is officially 13,131,431, that includes just L.A. and Orange counties and leaves out a lot of the region described above.

Now, you're saying, this is ridiculous: San Diego is no more a part of L.A. than Philadelphia is a part of New York. True. But we're trying to match the breadth given to New York's metropolitan statistical area here. If greater New York stretches into Pennsylvania and White Plains for purposes of counting population, then L.A. can surely reach to San Diego.

And Southern California is arguably much more culturally contiguous than greater New York, too. Whether you grew up in Chula Vista or Rancho Cucamonga, you are of SoCal heritage. If you're from here, you know what we mean. We speak the same pop culture language.

*We're denser. You read that right. L.A. is more dense than New York. Despite the rare vertical wonder that is Manhattan, when you look at how many people per square mile we have (7,000), we beat New York (5,319).

Sure, we don't all live in walk-ups and high-rises, but we still pack in our people. The blog Somewhat Reasonable recently explained it this way:

The urban core of Los Angeles is much less dense than New York, but the suburbs (where most people live) are twice as dense.

[stan francisco]

Why do you have the fear? Ask your shrink. If you've not lived in LA, it'll be hard to understand how wrong you are. See Sofa King's videos.

[Jakay]

If it doesn't seem like there's local fans, it's because there's also more non-local fans than any other team. Myself, for example. I saw a map of team loyalties by area, and where I am, coastal BC, it's split between the Raptors and Lakers, but there are chunks of Laker first fans here everywhere.

It's an odd phenomena actually.

[Spens1]

If it doesn't seem like there's local fans, it's because there's also more non-local fans than any other team. Myself, for example. I saw a map of team loyalties by area, and where I am, coastal BC, it's split between the Raptors and Lakers, but there are chunks of Laker first fans here everywhere.

It's an odd phenomena actually.

really, so no one really crossed over to supporting the Grizzlies after they moved down to Memphis

[Jakay]

If it doesn't seem like there's local fans, it's because there's also more non-local fans than any other team. Myself, for example. I saw a map of team loyalties by area, and where I am, coastal BC, it's split between the Raptors and Lakers, but there are chunks of Laker first fans here everywhere.

It's an odd phenomena actually.

really, so no one really crossed over to supporting the Grizzlies after they moved down to Memphis

No. Not even kind of. It was kind of a "you're dead to us" thing. Same with OKC. Kind of left a lot of people just like... not impressed with the NBA.

I actually revel in their respective defeats a little bit. Just a little bit though, it's hard not to wish Durant and Westbrook were in driving distance. Memphis... even closer to home... so they can just lose for all I care. I mean they got Pau as they rolled up the carpet here (well, Vancouver). After five years of 0.250 ball. Pretty much the NBA just **** on the city and called it a day.

[driver]

Secret of LA sports. Most of the hardcore fans are sitting at home watching on their TVs.

I remember awhile back they tried to emulate the Thunder by passing out free shirts at Staples. No one wore them. The rich folks that can afford the closer seats won't do it. If you could replace those people with the people at their homes, I bet things would be different.

I know some won't share this sentiment but that's how I've always seen the crowd at Staples.

[Spens1]

If it doesn't seem like there's local fans, it's because there's also more non-local fans than any other team. Myself, for example. I saw a map of team loyalties by area, and where I am, coastal BC, it's split between the Raptors and Lakers, but there are chunks of Laker first fans here everywhere.

It's an odd phenomena actually.

really, so no one really crossed over to supporting the Grizzlies after they moved down to Memphis

No. Not even kind of. It was kind of a "you're dead to us" thing. Same with OKC. Kind of left a lot of people just like... not impressed with the NBA.

I actually revel in their respective defeats a little bit. Just a little bit though, it's hard not to wish Durant and Westbrook were in driving distance. Memphis... even closer to home... so they can just lose for all I care. I mean they got Pau as they rolled up the carpet here (well, Vancouver). After five years of 0.250 ball. Pretty much the NBA just **** on the city and called it a day.

thats actually good, idk american franchises seem too happy to move their teams randomly and put them in a completely different place and expect fans from the other city to follow them. its like no, you basically told the other city to get stuffed

kind of what's going on with the NFL and St Louis (i think i said it in another thread, they basically killed off the city for a future NFL team, i mean their will be people who will want it, but it will never be a big time thing)

[Jakay]

Yeah, and I'm really curious to see how both those franchises respond when it isn't fair weather. I mean, both were gifted good teams, essentially. One year of bad ball, followed by continual playoffs, and they haven't had to endure any truly bad seasons.

Don't know what the sitch with St Louis is, stopped watching football, oh, ages ago.

[Spens1]

Yeah, and I'm really curious to see how both those franchises respond when it isn't fair weather. I mean, both were gifted good teams, essentially. One year of bad ball, followed by continual playoffs, and they haven't had to endure any truly bad seasons.

Don't know what the sitch with St Louis is, stopped watching football, oh, ages ago.

we might see it with OKC if both Durant and Westbrook leave, because no one is joining it as a F.A destination

as for St Louis, city had stadium plans, viable ones at that, which the city would pay for, Kroenke basically said get stuffed and insulted the city and its fans and left for L.A (even though they averaged over 50k, which lets be honest is pretty good given that team sucks)

[Jakay]

It was weird that LA went for awhile without a team though, if I remember right. From two to none to two?

[Spens1]

It was weird that LA went for awhile without a team though, if I remember right. From two to none to two?

two to none to one (for now)

Chargers most likely coming after this coming season i would presume, if not them certainly the Raiders