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Re: 2015 

Post#1641 » by Cactus Jack » Mon Feb 1, 2016 2:52 pm

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Just my hope because it would be very exciting.

Sure, for 2 years maybe. Pep signed a 3 year deal. He will most definitely move on after his contract is up. José gets the most out of a club for a couple of seasons, then moves on. But, if I'm a club like United, do I really want to bring in a manager like José? When your going to have to look for another manager in 2-3 years.


That's going to happen with 99% of managers.

True. However, they haven't had much success and stability since Sir Alex left. Do they try to go for a true successor, or the quick fix?
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Re: 2015 

Post#1642 » by DD12 » Mon Feb 1, 2016 4:13 pm

Wow it will be very hard for Pep. He chose the financially troubled team.

Haha this guy is a pure loser. Next, I expect him to go to Psg. Very competitive league there too
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Re: 2015 

Post#1643 » by No_20 » Mon Feb 1, 2016 5:08 pm

Is it certain Guardiola will only be there for 3 years?

He was close to extending with Bayern and left because he felt it was a finished project. Can he really finish the Man City project in 3 years? No he can't.
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Re: 2015 

Post#1644 » by cgf » Mon Feb 1, 2016 5:29 pm

No_20 wrote:Is it certain Guardiola will only be there for 3 years?

He was close to extending with Bayern and left because he felt it was a finished project. Can he really finish the Man City project in 3 years? No he can't.

Why can't he? He'll dominate the EPL from the get go given how weak the competition is, and get Citeh to start punching at their weight in europe. Probably won't win the CL unless Citeh go nuts and can get Neymar, Dybala, Pogba/Verratti, Gaya, and Laporte for him; so he may well do all he can do for them within 3 seasons.
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Re: 2015 

Post#1645 » by No_20 » Mon Feb 1, 2016 5:51 pm

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No_20 wrote:Is it certain Guardiola will only be there for 3 years?

He was close to extending with Bayern and left because he felt it was a finished project. Can he really finish the Man City project in 3 years? No he can't.

Why can't he? He'll dominate the EPL from the get go given how weak the competition is, and get Citeh to start punching at their weight in europe. Probably won't win the CL unless Citeh go nuts and can get Neymar, Dybala, Pogba/Verratti, Gaya, and Laporte for him; so he may well do all he can do for them within 3 seasons.

Nah it's that easy. The TV money is crazy you'll see more top players like Payet go to non-top clubs.

Speaking about the top teams you have Man Utd maybe with Mourinho, Arsenal with Wenger, Liverpool with Klopp, Chelsea with a new top class manager and a young Spurs side who are growing and will maybe get CL-experience next year.
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Re: 2015 

Post#1646 » by DD12 » Mon Feb 1, 2016 6:13 pm

cgf wrote:
No_20 wrote:Is it certain Guardiola will only be there for 3 years?

He was close to extending with Bayern and left because he felt it was a finished project. Can he really finish the Man City project in 3 years? No he can't.

Why can't he? He'll dominate the EPL from the get go given how weak the competition is, and get Citeh to start punching at their weight in europe. Probably won't win the CL unless Citeh go nuts and can get Neymar, Dybala, Pogba/Verratti, Gaya, and Laporte for him; so he may well do all he can do for them within 3 seasons.


Will they destroy Europe as well? With Bayern and having Gotze definitely helped him to win cl 2 years in a row.
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Re: 2015 

Post#1647 » by The_Brecht » Mon Feb 1, 2016 6:25 pm

City will be destroyed on the counter.
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Re: 2015 

Post#1648 » by Merc_Porto » Mon Feb 1, 2016 9:06 pm

The dream scenario is:

Pep - Man City
Mou - Man United
Klopp - Liverpool
Simeone - Chelsea

That would be funny.
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Post#1649 » by Foye » Mon Feb 1, 2016 9:10 pm

No_20 wrote:Is it certain Guardiola will only be there for 3 years?

He was close to extending with Bayern and left because he felt it was a finished project. Can he really finish the Man City project in 3 years? No he can't.


With finished project you mean he successfully destroyed Heynckes superteam? lmao.

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Re: AW: RE: Re: 2015 

Post#1650 » by No_20 » Mon Feb 1, 2016 9:46 pm

Foye wrote:
No_20 wrote:Is it certain Guardiola will only be there for 3 years?

He was close to extending with Bayern and left because he felt it was a finished project. Can he really finish the Man City project in 3 years? No he can't.


With finished project you mean he successfully destroyed Heynckes superteam? lmao.

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That's my point. It was already the best team in the world when he took over. Will take 2-3 transfer windows for him at Man City to create his own great squad.

To say he destroyed is stupid, you sound like a bitter German journalist. Why do Germans hate Guardiola so much? I cant understand it. Oh wait, I can: Neidgesellschaft.
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Re: AW: RE: Re: AW: RE: Re: 2015 

Post#1651 » by Foye » Tue Feb 2, 2016 8:10 am

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No_20 wrote:Is it certain Guardiola will only be there for 3 years?

He was close to extending with Bayern and left because he felt it was a finished project. Can he really finish the Man City project in 3 years? No he can't.


With finished project you mean he successfully destroyed Heynckes superteam? lmao.

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That's my point. It was already the best team in the world when he took over. Will take 2-3 transfer windows for him at Man City to create his own great squad.

To say he destroyed is stupid, you sound like a bitter German journalist. Why do Germans hate Guardiola so much? I cant understand it. Oh wait, I can: Neidgesellschaft.


Lets look at the facts about Guardiola
The pros:
- He won 2 Bundesliga titles and a cup. I think you could probably do the same with that team.

The cons:
- He managed to get thrown out of UCL embarrassingly two years in a row with probably an even more talented team than Heynckes had
- He got into conflict with important players such as Kroos or Mandzukic...who then left for much less than they are worth
- Other clubs consider players who have scored in an UCL final a legend but Guardiola silently managed to get rid of Mandzukic making him look like an arrogant undeserving douche. But the main reason was that Guardiola is mentally incapable of adapting his game plan to a more physical, less technical striker like Mandzukic. And again Mandzukic was a total professional. He did everything for that Heynckes team including defending in the own penalty area if needed.
- Lack of progress from key players. Look at Mario Götze. Dude has regressed seriously.
- Thousands of muscle injuries because Guardiola ignored the medical staff and uses players with injuries too soon. Boateng is only the latest example. 3 months out because Guardiola used him despite Boateng having problems prior to the game he injured Boa in. Or Ribery same example. Used him again too soon and now he is gone for weeks again.
- Plus Guardiola managed to get well earned medical staff around Dr. Müller Wohlfahrt out of the club for his own mistakes. Think about how ridiculous this is. He was ignoring advices from the medical staff, said they are doing something wrong and got them replaced.
- Just a few days ago or so there were rumors the atmosphere in Bayern locker room is very bad, too.

And I didnt even come to the point of criticizing his overly possession based approach that will result in receiving counter attacking goals in basically any important UCL match.

This has nothing to do with "Neid". I recognize when someone does a great job such as Simeone for Atletico or Allegri for Juve. But Guardiola is simply a clown for me.

Ah and I have one more. He managed to be outcoached by Dieter freaking Hecking lmao.
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Re: 2015 

Post#1652 » by cgf » Tue Feb 2, 2016 4:54 pm

You guys remember that the infallible Jupp didn't win **** in his first 2 seasons with that Bayern superteam...right?
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Re: 2015 

Post#1653 » by Baphomet » Tue Feb 2, 2016 5:02 pm

Everybody hates Pep, everybody hates City. Pep has (according to critics) only enjoyed success thanks to inheriting superteams. City have only had success thanks to dirty oil money.

Slightly facetious tone aside, it seems like a perfect match to me.
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Re: 2015 

Post#1654 » by Foye » Tue Feb 2, 2016 5:30 pm

cgf wrote:You guys remember that the infallible Jupp didn't win **** in his first 2 seasons with that Bayern superteam...right?


He won the treble in his second season at Bayern? :confused:

Those are two completely different scenarios btw. Guardiola took a team that was already winning it all and was given buttloads of money to develop the team according to his wishes. But they never reached the UCL final again and they won't this season either.

Heynckes meanwhile transformed a 3rd place van Gaal team to a team that won everything within two seasons and appeared in the UCL final twice.
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Re: RE: Re: 2015 

Post#1655 » by Merc_Porto » Tue Feb 2, 2016 6:06 pm

Foye wrote:Those are two completely different scenarios btw. Guardiola took a team that was already winning it all and was given buttloads of money to develop the team according to his wishes. But they never reached the UCL final again and they won't this season either.

Lets not count the fact that half of that team was injured in crucial moments, in both seasons.
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Re: RE: Re: 2015 

Post#1656 » by Foye » Tue Feb 2, 2016 6:33 pm

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Foye wrote:Those are two completely different scenarios btw. Guardiola took a team that was already winning it all and was given buttloads of money to develop the team according to his wishes. But they never reached the UCL final again and they won't this season either.

Lets not count the fact that half of that team was injured in crucial moments, in both seasons.


Which, I repeat, in many cases was a consequence of overusing players that had problems or were injuried before.
I will say it again...Guardiola purposely ignored advice from the medical staff repeatedly and even had the audacity to get the medical staff replaced for not doing their work.

http://www.tz.de/sport/fc-bayern/fc-bayern-pep-guardiola-setzte-jerome-boateng-ein-obwohl-angeschlagen-6080429.html
Here is some Bavarian media report for you about Boateng and Ribery injuries this season. Translate it to English/Portuguese or whatever. It is not some kind of bad luck. It is a direct consequence of Guardiola's wrong decisions to suit up injured players against all medical advice.
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Re: 2015 

Post#1657 » by Merc_Porto » Tue Feb 2, 2016 7:12 pm

Yeah, i remember now some problems, the medical staff was fired after +30 years with club.
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Re: 2015 

Post#1658 » by BUCKnation » Tue Feb 2, 2016 7:20 pm

Those injuries under Pep don't sound too good for the future of Aguero.
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Re: 2015 

Post#1659 » by Baphomet » Tue Feb 2, 2016 7:49 pm

Alli is a beast!
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Re: 2015 

Post#1660 » by Cactus Jack » Tue Feb 2, 2016 8:20 pm

Mignolet what a save!
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