Trade Idea Thread 15-16

[codydaze]

Why did you post this in the trade ideas tread?

Because just a few posts prior, Karl being dumped in the offseason was brought up.

Just seems like we should keep on topic in the threads.

[benchmobbin02]

Dude, again, just because teams talk about trades does not guarantee that they will be made. There is a very high likelihood that no trades happen but it does not mean these talks have not been had.

I understand that.

Just seems like you are belittling him and what he is reporting. He's reporting what he is hearing, nothing more, nothing less. He isn't posting "rumors" from a speculation piece.

Just take a step back and look at the situation...

Someone is posting "info" from an anonymous sources he says is on the inside of the organization to a forum full of vigilant Kings fans. This "info" includes but isn't limited to trade offers, players on the trading block and front office thinking on coaching changes.

He backs that up by saying in that these are only talks and there are no guarantees any of this will happen. So if one hits then his source is proven correct but if not then shrug your shoulders and say that's the way the league operates.

I think a small amount of skepticism isn't belittling but prudent when most of the things posted could be gleaned from media reports, common sense and following fan and team sentiment. I'm not calling him a liar, but I am saying that anonymous sources should be treated such when no corroboration by a second source or guidelines from the moderators on the subject are in place.

[benchmobbin02]

Because just a few posts prior, Karl being dumped in the offseason was brought up.

Just seems like we should keep on topic in the threads.

[sdballer]

I understand that.

Just seems like you are belittling him and what he is reporting. He's reporting what he is hearing, nothing more, nothing less. He isn't posting "rumors" from a speculation piece.

Just take a step back and look at the situation...

Someone is posting "info" from an anonymous sources he says is on the inside of the organization to a forum full of vigilant Kings fans. This "info" includes but isn't limited to trade offers, players on the trading block and front office thinking on coaching changes.

He backs that up by saying in that these are only talks and there are no guarantees any of this will happen. So if one hits then his source is proven correct but if not then shrug your shoulders and say that's the way the league operates.

I think a small amount of skepticism isn't belittling but prudent when most of the things posted could be gleaned from media reports, common sense and following fan and team sentiment. I'm not calling him a liar, but I am saying that anonymous sources should be treated such when no corroboration by a second source or guidelines from the moderators on the subject are in place.

Exactly. Especially since most of his rumors suggest we're talking to about half the league and that the deals could involve anyone we all think we could trade for anyone we think could be traded

[Jkam31]

DC- Any chance the Kings are interested in Young or Lou, especially with McLemore not producing as expected? When I see the Kings guard rotation it looks very weak.

0 interest in either absolutely 0

If we do get rid of Karl in the offseason (a big part of me hopes so), I just pray to the basketball gods we are not considering Scott Brooks. Now that Hornaceck is out of a job, I'd like to see us go after him. I thought he was a good coach and unfairly blamed for the problems in Phoenix which, in my opinion, were largely roster based.

Yes he was very good the 1at year than management went and brought in 4pgs and ran off Dragic.





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[codydaze]

I understand that.

Just seems like you are belittling him and what he is reporting. He's reporting what he is hearing, nothing more, nothing less. He isn't posting "rumors" from a speculation piece.

Just take a step back and look at the situation...

Someone is posting "info" from an anonymous sources he says is on the inside of the organization to a forum full of vigilant Kings fans. This "info" includes but isn't limited to trade offers, players on the trading block and front office thinking on coaching changes.

He backs that up by saying in that these are only talks and there are no guarantees any of this will happen. So if one hits then his source is proven correct but if not then shrug your shoulders and say that's the way the league operates.

I think a small amount of skepticism isn't belittling but prudent when most of the things posted could be gleaned from media reports, common sense and following fan and team sentiment. I'm not calling him a liar, but I am saying that anonymous sources should be treated such when no corroboration by a second source or guidelines from the moderators on the subject are in place.

Not sure if you are describing dozencousins or the majority of sports reporters from the likes of ESPN, SBNation, etc. That's just how things work in the world of sports, lots of things are talked about, few things actually happen. All I know is he has brought information to this board that has then been reported on by other people or actually happened. All you have to do is scroll right on past his posts. I, for one, enjoy seeing some of the possibilities being brought up to initiate discussion, you know, the purpose of this thread.

[City of Trees]

Regardless of whether this source is reliable or not, fact is Dozencousins is bringing content for conversation to the trade thread, which is more than I can say for you guys who just want to argue the credibility of the source. If you have doubts that's cool but don't highjack the trade thread with your agenda. Go start a source thread or something.


The future with Karl will/should have an impact on trade decisions. If Vlade knows Karl is out then he should look to build in the direction he wants to the team to go and leave Karl's system behind.


It's weird to see Rudy play so well last night. He could be such a great player for any team, it really seems like he isn't motivated at times. I know Rondo has to see that, I wonder if trading Rudy hurts the Kings chances of resigning Rondo?

[codydaze]

Regardless of whether this source is reliable or not, fact is Dozencousins is bringing content for conversation to the trade thread, which is more than I can say for you guys who just want to argue the credibility of the source. If you have doubts that's cool but don't highjack the trade thread with your agenda. Go start a source thread or something.


The future with Karl will/should have an impact on trade decisions. If Vlade knows Karl is out then he should look to build in the direction he wants to the team to go and leave behind Karl's system.


It's weird to see Rudy play so well last night. He could be such a great player for any team, it really seems like he isn't motivated at times. I know Rondo has to see that, I wonder if trading Rudy hurts the Kings chances of resigning Rondo?

Exactly.

I know Rondo and Rudy are good friends but Rondo has to see how well he plays with Cousins when making his decision.

[City of Trees]

Regardless of whether this source is reliable or not, fact is Dozencousins is bringing content for conversation to the trade thread, which is more than I can say for you guys who just want to argue the credibility of the source. If you have doubts that's cool but don't highjack the trade thread with your agenda. Go start a source thread or something.


The future with Karl will/should have an impact on trade decisions. If Vlade knows Karl is out then he should look to build in the direction he wants to the team to go and leave behind Karl's system.


It's weird to see Rudy play so well last night. He could be such a great player for any team, it really seems like he isn't motivated at times. I know Rondo has to see that, I wonder if trading Rudy hurts the Kings chances of resigning Rondo?

Exactly.

I know Rondo and Rudy are good friends but Rondo has to see how well he plays with Cousins when making his decision.

Good amount of Rondo's success is a result of Karl allowing Rondo to do his own thing on offense. Chances are if we get another coach in here, that coach may not allow RR such a long leash, thus turning into Dallas for RR.

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[benchmobbin02]

Just seems like you are belittling him and what he is reporting. He's reporting what he is hearing, nothing more, nothing less. He isn't posting "rumors" from a speculation piece.

Just take a step back and look at the situation...

Someone is posting "info" from an anonymous sources he says is on the inside of the organization to a forum full of vigilant Kings fans. This "info" includes but isn't limited to trade offers, players on the trading block and front office thinking on coaching changes.

He backs that up by saying in that these are only talks and there are no guarantees any of this will happen. So if one hits then his source is proven correct but if not then shrug your shoulders and say that's the way the league operates.

I think a small amount of skepticism isn't belittling but prudent when most of the things posted could be gleaned from media reports, common sense and following fan and team sentiment. I'm not calling him a liar, but I am saying that anonymous sources should be treated such when no corroboration by a second source or guidelines from the moderators on the subject are in place.

Not sure if you are describing dozencousins or the majority of sports reporters from the likes of ESPN, SBNation, etc. That's just how things work in the world of sports, lots of things are talked about, few things actually happen. All I know is he has brought information to this board that has then been reported on by other people or actually happened. All you have to do is scroll right on past his posts. I, for one, enjoy seeing some of the possibilities being brought up to initiate discussion, you know, the purpose of this thread.

I also love the discussion of topics and exploring of possibilities brought up by all the poster not just those that brought up by dozencousins. That has nothing to do with what we this.

Yes, many many other outlets use anonymous sources and in doing so leave them open to scrutiny and skepticism. On this forum the media is discussed regularly in regards to their validity, especially when they don't identify their sources. I understand this practice and appreciate it as a common method to report information.

This is done for many reasons and that is the real hidden aspect of the process. It is only ever truly known by the poster or reporter himself, no matter what they may claim. It may be their only aim is to simply get the info out, they could be trying to protect their source, they could be looking to steer the narrative, they could be trying to spread mis-information or inflate their own standing among those reading it or a combination of some or all. What is sure is we can't know the true reasoning so healthy skepticism is part of the it or as you would say " just how things work in the world of sports".


I didn't mean for this to become a long back and forth about credibility or hijack the thread, but was responding to to the claim that I was solely out to belittle a poster which I'm not.

[benchmobbin02]

Regardless of whether this source is reliable or not, fact is Dozencousins is bringing content for conversation to the trade thread, which is more than I can say for you guys who just want to argue the credibility of the source. If you have doubts that's cool but don't highjack the trade thread with your agenda. Go start a source thread or something.


The future with Karl will/should have an impact on trade decisions. If Vlade knows Karl is out then he should look to build in the direction he wants to the team to go and leave behind Karl's system.


It's weird to see Rudy play so well last night. He could be such a great player for any team, it really seems like he isn't motivated at times. I know Rondo has to see that, I wonder if trading Rudy hurts the Kings chances of resigning Rondo?

Exactly.

I know Rondo and Rudy are good friends but Rondo has to see how well he plays with Cousins when making his decision.

Good amount of Rondo's success is a result of Karl allowing Rondo to do his own thing on offense. Chances are if we get another coach in here, that coach may not allow RR such a long leash, thus turning into Dallas for RR.

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Excellent point and one that I think we should acknowledge more. This would also go for Cousins. Structure is important but with guys who are free thinkers and the primary play makers on the team, happiness and improved productivity comes under a coach that allows them the space to use their talent to improvise and attack the weakness of the defense. I think Rondo and Karl see this and I think Cousins is learning it. It should be one of the factors when it comes time for Rondo to choose a team.

Rudy is a solidifying piece for the dynamic of Karl, Rondo and Cousins. I think it would be a negative to Rondo if he were moved.

[codydaze]

Good amount of Rondo's success is a result of Karl allowing Rondo to do his own thing on offense. Chances are if we get another coach in here, that coach may not allow RR such a long leash, thus turning into Dallas for RR.

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True, but I think Carlisle is sort of an extreme case of that situation. Every coach is going to have their sets and schemes but I think Carlisle is a bit more controlling with his offense. If we were to bring in someone like Hornaceck or Thibs, I would imagine he would have the same kind of success.

[bleeds_purple]

Regardless of whether this source is reliable or not, fact is Dozencousins is bringing content for conversation to the trade thread, which is more than I can say for you guys who just want to argue the credibility of the source. If you have doubts that's cool but don't highjack the trade thread with your agenda. Go start a source thread or something.


The future with Karl will/should have an impact on trade decisions. If Vlade knows Karl is out then he should look to build in the direction he wants to the team to go and leave behind Karl's system.


It's weird to see Rudy play so well last night. He could be such a great player for any team, it really seems like he isn't motivated at times. I know Rondo has to see that, I wonder if trading Rudy hurts the Kings chances of resigning Rondo?

Exactly.

I know Rondo and Rudy are good friends but Rondo has to see how well he plays with Cousins when making his decision.

Good amount of Rondo's success is a result of Karl allowing Rondo to do his own thing on offense. Chances are if we get another coach in here, that coach may not allow RR such a long leash, thus turning into Dallas for RR.

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All things considered I'd be more than happy to let Rondo walk if that means we can bring in a less ball dominant and better defensive PG like Conley. I'm honestly not a huge fan of Rondo's game. He turns the ball over stupidly multiple times a game. He compromises our defense by not being able to stay in front of his man. And when he's in the game you're forced to play "Rondo Ball" i.e. watch him pound the ball for the entire shot clock and hopefully make something happen. He's such an atypical player that you almost have to have the entire roster and game plan tailored for him.

That being said I think his best attribute for us is that he's the only real leader on the team. Chances are we keep him so moving forward I would like to see us (1) operate with our SG defending the ball on defense so try and mask Rondo's deficiencies on that end, (2) have him stop crashing the glass so often compromising our transition defense, and (3) drill into his head that he shouldn't be trying to make the home run pass 12 time a game.

[dozencousins]

I understand that.

Just seems like you are belittling him and what he is reporting. He's reporting what he is hearing, nothing more, nothing less. He isn't posting "rumors" from a speculation piece.

Just take a step back and look at the situation...

Someone is posting "info" from an anonymous sources he says is on the inside of the organization to a forum full of vigilant Kings fans. This "info" includes but isn't limited to trade offers, players on the trading block and front office thinking on coaching changes.

He backs that up by saying in that these are only talks and there are no guarantees any of this will happen. So if one hits then his source is proven correct but if not then shrug your shoulders and say that's the way the league operates.

I think a small amount of skepticism isn't belittling but prudent when most of the things posted could be gleaned from media reports, common sense and following fan and team sentiment. I'm not calling him a liar, but I am saying that anonymous sources should be treated such when no corroboration by a second source or guidelines from the moderators on the subject are in place.

No Idea what your problem with me is . My source is very real & very legit . It is no matter to me if you don't believe me .
I thought people at least most appreciate the info I had given . I have given enough inside info that has came true over the years . Last trade deadline , my post via the 1st of jan this thread posted 2 -3 weeks before anyone else reported anything of the kind via internet . I guess I have no inside info or knowledge if that's what you think .
It is a shame that you are trying to ruin this board for me & all I am doing is posting truths as I know them .
I don't need this none sense you are dishing out and negativity . I don't need it at all .
This is how I get treated for giving the info . I will do you a favor and I will just stop posting the info . I thought my info & sometimes insight would be appreciated but it's not . You are helping to ruin my experience on this board both as a fan of the Kings and me giving info . You as well are ruining it for those on hear whom actually cared for the info because I will now not post it as again the disrespect you are giving to me is not needed .

In closing I do post actual goings on & truths however reality is if you thought I was a liar then you should just keep that to yourself am I hurting you or anyone else here ? = No . If you thought that of me just ignore me and just don't believe me . I don't care . It takes a bigger person to not say anything to those whom are doing nothing to you . But a person whom is looking for problems will always look for ways to say something mean or rude to others and it comes so easy to them .

I am very sure that if no trade is done or if one happens not exactly as I said you will criticize me even more .
If we did a trade as I have said or mentioned in your eyes I guess it was a lucky guess .
No matter Take care again I just don't deserve this type of treatment benchmobbin02 . By the way Thank You Codydaze & City of Trees for having my back the last few days with other rude members .

[sdballer]

Just seems like you are belittling him and what he is reporting. He's reporting what he is hearing, nothing more, nothing less. He isn't posting "rumors" from a speculation piece.

Just take a step back and look at the situation...

Someone is posting "info" from an anonymous sources he says is on the inside of the organization to a forum full of vigilant Kings fans. This "info" includes but isn't limited to trade offers, players on the trading block and front office thinking on coaching changes.

He backs that up by saying in that these are only talks and there are no guarantees any of this will happen. So if one hits then his source is proven correct but if not then shrug your shoulders and say that's the way the league operates.

I think a small amount of skepticism isn't belittling but prudent when most of the things posted could be gleaned from media reports, common sense and following fan and team sentiment. I'm not calling him a liar, but I am saying that anonymous sources should be treated such when no corroboration by a second source or guidelines from the moderators on the subject are in place.

No Idea what your problem with me is . My source is very real & very legit . It is no matter to me if you don't believe me .
I thought people at least most appreciate the info I had given . I have given enough inside info that has came true over the years . Last trade deadline , my post via the 1st of jan this thread posted 2 -3 weeks before anyone else reported anything of the kind via internet . I guess I have no inside info or knowledge if that's what you think .
It is a shame that you are trying to ruin this board for me & all I am doing is posting truths as I know them .
I don't need this none sense you are dishing out and negativity . I don't need it at all .
This is how I get treated for giving the info . I will do you a favor and I will just stop posting the info . I thought my info & sometimes insight would be appreciated but it's not . You are helping to ruin my experience on this board both as a fan of the Kings and me giving info . You as well are ruining it for those on hear whom actually cared for the info because I will now not post it as again the disrespect you are giving to me is not needed .

In closing I do post actual goings on & truths however reality is if you thought I was a liar then you should just keep that to yourself am I hurting you or anyone else here ? = No . If you thought that of me just ignore me and just don't believe me . I don't care . It takes a bigger person to not say anything to those whom are doing nothing to you . But a person whom is looking for problems will always look for ways to say something mean or rude to others and it comes so easy to them .

I am very sure that if no trade is done or if one happens not exactly as I said you will criticize me even more .
If we did a trade as I have said or mentioned in your eyes I guess it was a lucky guess .
No matter Take care again I just don't deserve this type of treatment benchmobbin02 . By the way Thank You Codydaze & City of Trees for having my back the last few days with other rude members .

Jesus dude, your dad is going to be so pissed that you are passing along his work info.

[DodgeXViperXX2]

Your source can be accurate. but doubting your info isn't being rude. Look at how many false rumors have taken place in the last several years... If you are right then people will give you props...

[DodgeXViperXX2]

How much chance do you give the Russell trade happening.. 1 from 10?

[benchmobbin02]

Just seems like you are belittling him and what he is reporting. He's reporting what he is hearing, nothing more, nothing less. He isn't posting "rumors" from a speculation piece.

Just take a step back and look at the situation...

Someone is posting "info" from an anonymous sources he says is on the inside of the organization to a forum full of vigilant Kings fans. This "info" includes but isn't limited to trade offers, players on the trading block and front office thinking on coaching changes.

He backs that up by saying in that these are only talks and there are no guarantees any of this will happen. So if one hits then his source is proven correct but if not then shrug your shoulders and say that's the way the league operates.

I think a small amount of skepticism isn't belittling but prudent when most of the things posted could be gleaned from media reports, common sense and following fan and team sentiment. I'm not calling him a liar, but I am saying that anonymous sources should be treated such when no corroboration by a second source or guidelines from the moderators on the subject are in place.

No Idea what your problem with me is . My source is very real & very legit . It is no matter to me if you don't believe me .
I thought people at least most appreciate the info I had given . I have given enough inside info that has came true over the years . Last trade deadline , my post via the 1st of jan this thread posted 2 -3 weeks before anyone else reported anything of the kind via internet . I guess I have no inside info or knowledge if that's what you think .
It is a shame that you are trying to ruin this board for me & all I am doing is posting truths as I know them .
I don't need this none sense you are dishing out and negativity . I don't need it at all .
This is how I get treated for giving the info . I will do you a favor and I will just stop posting the info . I thought my info & sometimes insight would be appreciated but it's not . You are helping to ruin my experience on this board both as a fan of the Kings and me giving info . You as well are ruining it for those on hear whom actually cared for the info because I will now not post it as again the disrespect you are giving to me is not needed .

In closing I do post actual goings on & truths however reality is if you thought I was a liar then you should just keep that to yourself am I hurting you or anyone else here ? = No . If you thought that of me just ignore me and just don't believe me . I don't care . It takes a bigger person to not say anything to those whom are doing nothing to you . But a person whom is looking for problems will always look for ways to say something mean or rude to others and it comes so easy to them .

I am very sure that if no trade is done or if one happens not exactly as I said you will criticize me even more .
If we did a trade as I have said or mentioned in your eyes I guess it was a lucky guess .
No matter Take care again I just don't deserve this type of treatment benchmobbin02 . By the way Thank You Codydaze & City of Trees for having my back the last few days with other rude members .

Wow...just...wow.

Never once did I say that I didn't believe you. I was explaining the general reasoning of being skeptical of anonymous sources. I'm not sorry for speaking my mind and explaining my reasoning. I'm sorry if you misunderstood that as an attack on you personally.

You mention that I should be the bigger person and ignore you if I don't believe you...on an open forum. Then you say that you are gonna stop posting the info you have because of my and others postings that you take as negative toward you. Why don't YOU just ignore those post and only respond to those you want. Are you not able to be follow your own advice?

I like healthy discussion and I TRY to make my posts clear as to my thinking and if that has "ruined this board" for you that is shame.

[Jkam31]

Just saw Reddick is 31 Vlade needs to hang up the phone


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[blind prophet]

Where do you guys expect Beleneli to end up?

My best guess is the Clippers.