Trade Deadline Countdown Pre-Febuary Deadline

[saintEscaton]

and 1/4 of the board realizes we could have had Knight for the same $$ in free agency AND the pick.... while still trading IT.

We used his Bird Rights to exceed the cap but it was a counter-intuitive move

You sure ? I don't remember

http://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/PHO.html

Oh nevermind we actually signed Chandler outright. Lol served no purpose whatsoever

[ATTL]

So trade markieff at the deadline to the highest bidder after letting him raise his value for two weeks?

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[bwgood77]

We used his Bird Rights to exceed the cap but it was a counter-intuitive move

You sure ? I don't remember

http://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/PHO.html

Oh nevermind we actually signed Chandler outright. Lol served no purpose whatsoever

Well one of you is talking Knight and the other one Chandler.

Knight we may have been able to sign outright in FA, but who knows? Likely Milwaukee matches to keep him for trade value (then I guess we trade for him anyway). But either way, they seemed to want to sign him.

Chandler was an outright FA signing.

[Asif16]

So trade markieff at the deadline to the highest bidder after letting him raise his value for two weeks?

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Patterson + J.Johnson + TOR 2016 1st

For

Tucker + Morris

Thoughts on this?

[ATTL]

So trade markieff at the deadline to the highest bidder after letting him raise his value for two weeks?

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Patterson + J.Johnson + TOR 2016 1st

For

Tucker + Morris

Thoughts on this?

Toronto has the knicks pick.
Add tucker and add the knicks pick. That trade would push them closer to Cleveland and definitely out of the first round.

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[Asif16]

So trade markieff at the deadline to the highest bidder after letting him raise his value for two weeks?

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Patterson + J.Johnson + TOR 2016 1st

For

Tucker + Morris

Thoughts on this?

Toronto has the knicks pick.
Add tucker and add the knicks pick. That trade would push them closer to Cleveland and definitely out of the first round.

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Sorry but I dont see the raptors giving up the knicks pick for Markieff. The pick will most likely be in the lottery or in a really good spot. If the knicks pick is being dealt, it would be for better player than Markieff (Someone like Horford, Griffin, Gallinari maybe).

And tucker was already included in my original trade proposal. From my standpoint, i really think thats a fair deal with the clips pick

[ATTL]

Patterson + J.Johnson + TOR 2016 1st

For

Tucker + Morris

Thoughts on this?

Toronto has the knicks pick.
Add tucker and add the knicks pick. That trade would push them closer to Cleveland and definitely out of the first round.

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Sorry but I dont see the raptors giving up the knicks pick for Markieff. The pick will most likely be in the lottery or in a really good spot. If the knicks pick is being dealt, it would be for better player than Markieff (Someone like Horford, Griffin, Gallinari maybe).

And tucker was already included in my original trade proposal. From my standpoint, i really think thats a fair deal with the clips pick

Griffin or horford? I doubt they can be had for a late lotto pick.
The suns haven't shown desperation to trade kief so far and his value will keep rising. His value is at an all time low currently, no sense trading him while low.

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[letsgosuns]

Patterson + J.Johnson + TOR 2016 1st

For

Tucker + Morris

Thoughts on this?

Toronto has the knicks pick.
Add tucker and add the knicks pick. That trade would push them closer to Cleveland and definitely out of the first round.

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Sorry but I dont see the raptors giving up the knicks pick for Markieff. The pick will most likely be in the lottery or in a really good spot. If the knicks pick is being dealt, it would be for better player than Markieff (Someone like Horford, Griffin, Gallinari maybe).

And tucker was already included in my original trade proposal. From my standpoint, i really think thats a fair deal with the clips pick

I doubt Ryan McDonough is going to trade Markieff for that package considering he has held onto him this long. He is going to want at least a lottery pick for him. The Suns already own the Cavaliers 2016 pick so they do not need the Raptors 2016 pick which will probably be a late first round pick as well. You can point to a night like tonight where Markieff put up all star numbers to say how he can alter the power of the Eastern Conference. McDonough was able to get the Heat's 2017 top-7 protected pick and 2021 unprotected pick for Goran Dragic and Dragic publicly demanded a trade a few days before the trade deadline. Plus Dragic was going to be an unrestricted free agent. Markieff is signed at 8 million per year for three more years after this one.

[bwgood77]

Toronto has the knicks pick.
Add tucker and add the knicks pick. That trade would push them closer to Cleveland and definitely out of the first round.

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Sorry but I dont see the raptors giving up the knicks pick for Markieff. The pick will most likely be in the lottery or in a really good spot. If the knicks pick is being dealt, it would be for better player than Markieff (Someone like Horford, Griffin, Gallinari maybe).

And tucker was already included in my original trade proposal. From my standpoint, i really think thats a fair deal with the clips pick

I doubt Ryan McDonough is going to trade Markieff for that package considering he has held onto him this long. He is going to want at least a lottery pick for him. The Suns already own the Cavaliers 2016 pick so they do not need the Raptors 2016 pick which will probably be a late first round pick as well. You can point to a night like tonight where Markieff put up all star numbers to say how he can alter the power of the Eastern Conference. McDonough was able to get the Heat's 2017 top-7 protected pick and 2021 unprotected pick for Goran Dragic and Dragic publicly demanded a trade a few days before the trade deadline. Plus Dragic was going to be an unrestricted free agent. Markieff is signed at 8 million per year for three more years after this one.

No way....if he got that package he would accept it in a NY minute. A LOTTERY PICK for Markieff? Are you not one who would trade him for almost nothing? And to get PP, JJ and a first is a ridiculously good offer......and ATTL, c'mon, you can't get too greedy...one game and people think he is worth a lottery pick or the Knicks pick and these two guys?

I mean, I think this is quite unreasonable.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Tell me our strategy and we can suggest moves.

[ATTL]

Sorry but I dont see the raptors giving up the knicks pick for Markieff. The pick will most likely be in the lottery or in a really good spot. If the knicks pick is being dealt, it would be for better player than Markieff (Someone like Horford, Griffin, Gallinari maybe).

And tucker was already included in my original trade proposal. From my standpoint, i really think thats a fair deal with the clips pick

I doubt Ryan McDonough is going to trade Markieff for that package considering he has held onto him this long. He is going to want at least a lottery pick for him. The Suns already own the Cavaliers 2016 pick so they do not need the Raptors 2016 pick which will probably be a late first round pick as well. You can point to a night like tonight where Markieff put up all star numbers to say how he can alter the power of the Eastern Conference. McDonough was able to get the Heat's 2017 top-7 protected pick and 2021 unprotected pick for Goran Dragic and Dragic publicly demanded a trade a few days before the trade deadline. Plus Dragic was going to be an unrestricted free agent. Markieff is signed at 8 million per year for three more years after this one.

No way....if he got that package he would accept it in a NY minute. A LOTTERY PICK for Markieff? Are you not one who would trade him for almost nothing? And to get PP, JJ and a first is a ridiculously good offer......and ATTL, c'mon, you can't get too greedy...one game and people think he is worth a lottery pick or the Knicks pick and these two guys?

I mean, I think this is quite unreasonable.

I'd keep him and let him raise his value until we can get a late lotto for him. Patpat is there for salaries and so we aren't a gaping hole at the 4 this year.

This is what teams do to try and push themselves over the hump. Boston did it when they traded for rogers and delk, some team will make an offer for morris, it just might not be this season.

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[letsgosuns]

Sorry but I dont see the raptors giving up the knicks pick for Markieff. The pick will most likely be in the lottery or in a really good spot. If the knicks pick is being dealt, it would be for better player than Markieff (Someone like Horford, Griffin, Gallinari maybe).

And tucker was already included in my original trade proposal. From my standpoint, i really think thats a fair deal with the clips pick

I doubt Ryan McDonough is going to trade Markieff for that package considering he has held onto him this long. He is going to want at least a lottery pick for him. The Suns already own the Cavaliers 2016 pick so they do not need the Raptors 2016 pick which will probably be a late first round pick as well. You can point to a night like tonight where Markieff put up all star numbers to say how he can alter the power of the Eastern Conference. McDonough was able to get the Heat's 2017 top-7 protected pick and 2021 unprotected pick for Goran Dragic and Dragic publicly demanded a trade a few days before the trade deadline. Plus Dragic was going to be an unrestricted free agent. Markieff is signed at 8 million per year for three more years after this one.

No way....if he got that package he would accept it in a NY minute. A LOTTERY PICK for Markieff? Are you not one who would trade him for almost nothing? And to get PP, JJ and a first is a ridiculously good offer......and ATTL, c'mon, you can't get too greedy...one game and people think he is worth a lottery pick or the Knicks pick and these two guys?

I mean, I think this is quite unreasonable.

I am talking about what McDonough would want, not me. I am using his previous trade history to make my assumption. And like I said, he has held onto him this long, he probably wants the moon for Markieff.

[bwgood77]

I doubt Ryan McDonough is going to trade Markieff for that package considering he has held onto him this long. He is going to want at least a lottery pick for him. The Suns already own the Cavaliers 2016 pick so they do not need the Raptors 2016 pick which will probably be a late first round pick as well. You can point to a night like tonight where Markieff put up all star numbers to say how he can alter the power of the Eastern Conference. McDonough was able to get the Heat's 2017 top-7 protected pick and 2021 unprotected pick for Goran Dragic and Dragic publicly demanded a trade a few days before the trade deadline. Plus Dragic was going to be an unrestricted free agent. Markieff is signed at 8 million per year for three more years after this one.

No way....if he got that package he would accept it in a NY minute. A LOTTERY PICK for Markieff? Are you not one who would trade him for almost nothing? And to get PP, JJ and a first is a ridiculously good offer......and ATTL, c'mon, you can't get too greedy...one game and people think he is worth a lottery pick or the Knicks pick and these two guys?

I mean, I think this is quite unreasonable.

I'd keep him and let him raise his value until we can get a late lotto for him. Patpat is there for salaries and so we aren't a gaping hole at the 4 this year.

This is what teams do to try and push themselves over the hump. Boston did it when they traded for rogers and delk, some team will make an offer for morris, it just might not be this season.

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I just don't understand how you think he could raise his value to get a better deal than that. I've been all about not dumping him for nothing and raising value but with an offer like that you gotta pull the trigger.

With the rising cap, first round draft picks in trades are going to be very hard to come by because EVERYONE will be vastly overpaid within a year or two except guys on rookie contracts. People will be FAR less likely to trade first round picks, especially potentially lottery picks.

A late first round pick has good value because if you pick the right player, you have one of the better contracts in the league due to rookie salary scale.

[bwgood77]

I am talking about what McDonough would want, not me. I am using his previous trade history to make my assumption. And like I said, he has held onto him this long, he probably wants the moon for Markieff.

I doubt he wants the moon, but at least decent value. IMO that is great value. Perhaps not for him when he is at his best, but he wants out, and we have to take the best value we get. I seriously doubt Toronto would even entertain that to be honest. A recent Zach Lowe article said they will not part with a pick, or it would be very unlikely, and James Johnson has been playing well and PP is a decent stretch four. I'd do it easily for just those two guys and no pick. Would probably prefer Terrence Jones, but I'd take that.

[jcsunsfan]

You watch. They are going to keep Kieff. Jeff was the scapegoat. Now Watson will make everything nice and they will decide to keep him.

[ATTL]

No way....if he got that package he would accept it in a NY minute. A LOTTERY PICK for Markieff? Are you not one who would trade him for almost nothing? And to get PP, JJ and a first is a ridiculously good offer......and ATTL, c'mon, you can't get too greedy...one game and people think he is worth a lottery pick or the Knicks pick and these two guys?

I mean, I think this is quite unreasonable.

I'd keep him and let him raise his value until we can get a late lotto for him. Patpat is there for salaries and so we aren't a gaping hole at the 4 this year.

This is what teams do to try and push themselves over the hump. Boston did it when they traded for rogers and delk, some team will make an offer for morris, it just might not be this season.

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I just don't understand how you think he could raise his value to get a better deal than that. I've been all about not dumping him for nothing and raising value but with an offer like that you gotta pull the trigger.

With the rising cap, first round draft picks in trades are going to be very hard to come by because EVERYONE will be vastly overpaid within a year or two except guys on rookie contracts. People will be FAR less likely to trade first round picks, especially potentially lottery picks.

A late first round pick has good value because if you pick the right player, you have one of the better contracts in the league due to rookie salary scale.

I guess I just don't see what's so special about patpat and johnson. Tucker is better than johnson and markieff is much better than Patterson. Does a late first make up for that difference?
Patterson is averaging 6 and 4 this year. He had 2 points in 26 minutes tonight. He's shooting 39% this year. A motivated markief is on another level from him.
Johnson is 5/2 on good shooting.
Its not like I included Lowry or Ross or expect them.

I would hang on to markieff until a good trade comes. We've weathered the storm of his lowest value, time build it up again.

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[bwgood77]

I'd keep him and let him raise his value until we can get a late lotto for him. Patpat is there for salaries and so we aren't a gaping hole at the 4 this year.

This is what teams do to try and push themselves over the hump. Boston did it when they traded for rogers and delk, some team will make an offer for morris, it just might not be this season.

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I just don't understand how you think he could raise his value to get a better deal than that. I've been all about not dumping him for nothing and raising value but with an offer like that you gotta pull the trigger.

With the rising cap, first round draft picks in trades are going to be very hard to come by because EVERYONE will be vastly overpaid within a year or two except guys on rookie contracts. People will be FAR less likely to trade first round picks, especially potentially lottery picks.

A late first round pick has good value because if you pick the right player, you have one of the better contracts in the league due to rookie salary scale.

I guess I just don't see what's so special about patpat and johnson. Tucker is better than johnson and markieff is much better than Patterson. Does a late first make up for that difference?
Patterson is averaging 6 and 4 this year. He had 2 points in 26 minutes tonight. He's shooting 39% this year. A motivated markief is on another level from him.
Johnson is 5/2 on good shooting.
Its not like I included Lowry or Ross or expect them.

I would hang on to markieff until a good trade comes. We've weathered the storm of his lowest value, time build it up again.

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Maybe you are right...I haven't studied those guys enough to know, so maybe it isn't a good trade, but if their value isn't worse than their contracts, and we want to dump Kieff for whatever value we can get, especially with a pick involved, I'm all for it. I wouldn't do it until the deadline though in case he runs off a string of games like this, which would help big time for his value.....but he wants out......it's McD he hates, and his brother especially hates, and he is very unlikely going to be happy here.

I wouldn't be surprised if we held onto him until the summer though, because when teams strike out on free agents, Durant, etc, and if Markieff plays well down the stretch, once crazy contracts start getting handed out, Markieff's contract will look like a super bargain, so his value will likely rise in mid July (if he plays well post trade deadline).

[AtheJ415]

I think it's pretty obvious after tonight that we should keep Markieff and build the team around him.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Wouldn't trade him for LeBron.

[blacksun]

I got a weird feeling were not gonna trade Kieff at the deadline.