PG: FJU Needs To Be Shut Down

[TrueWarrior]

Jerian with zeros across the board in 7 minutes, besides 1 foul. A team worst -17 in those minutes.

Come on he barely played and I don't think play with any of the starters--his unit was horrible, DWill was bricking threes and him and Seraphin were getting toasted in the paint. And Lance has been basically nonexistent. But Fish isolates him as the problem and takes him out. Kid has no chance the way he's being used.

We can only blame the system for so much. Grant looks terrible in all facets man. He was a main reason that unit wasn't getting any good looks. Just wasn't doing anything. We can't keep throwing him out there for him to give us nothing, no matter who's fault it is. Something needs to change in how we're dealing with him. Either scrap the system to fit a backup rookie PG's strengths (won't happen) or find guards who can actually run the system. Grant is caught in no-mans land now.

[GONYK]

What if his decision is staying or going to Boston? The Knicks are a problematic status quo right now to a 31 year old player who wants to win.

Then he stays in NY. No-brainer.

He's not leaving the #1 market to go to #11 so he can play on the #8 seed instead of #11

I understand your position but I don't agree. Boston is 4-8 and will play in the playoffs in a flat conference with a vulnerable top seed.

They aren't a championship team no matter how you slice it and they definitely aren't in the right market.

[HarthorneWingo]

Other teams are already playing that game. Thinking that you'll be trading Melo for youth and picks is a bit of a pipe dream at this point, IMO.

If we make a Melo trade, it will be a very underwhelming one to a contender. The prospect of low picks, a decent player, and maybe an expiring doesn't really move the meter for me.

Other teams are playing that game. But they are also playing that game with there current rosters as well. For example the clippers and CP3. How long is he going to be as dominant. Do you go all in on a better fit alongside DJ maybe with Melo?

I think as long as you get a 2nd or 3rd team involved you have a little more leverage to get a less underwhelming offer.

Ansd if low picks, expirings, and mayber a decent player is the best package you hold Melo until he widens his teams he will go too. The good thing is there isn't a rush at the moment.

We have less leverage in 2-3 years at 33 yrs old if we are still a stagnant team. At least worth putting feelers out there at the deadline to see what teams are desperate to make a run.

Even in that scenario though, I doubt the Clips are willing to trade Blake for either Kevin Durant or Carmelo Anthony. If their latitude of acceptance is that wide, then sure, listen to the offer.

I, personally, would be very shocked.

I can't see any deals for Melo that would make sense for all three parties unless someone was getting the shaft.

FWIW, I read that the Clips are looking to trade Blake. Under the circumstances, that's understandable. Plus, the respective arcs of CP3 and Melo coincide, so I don't the problem. Who would be getting the shaft in a deal that sends Melo to the Clips, Blake to the Celts and a bunch of picks and maybe Crowder (and Lee) to us? Maybe there would other filler and moving parts made to make it work, but I like the idea.

[Red Vines]

Jerian with zeros across the board in 7 minutes, besides 1 foul. A team worst -17 in those minutes.

Come on he barely played and I don't think play with any of the starters--his unit was horrible, DWill was bricking threes and him and Seraphin were getting toasted in the paint. And Lance has been basically nonexistent. But Fish isolates him as the problem and takes him out. Kid has no chance the way he's being used.

We can only blame the system for so much. Grant looks terrible in all facets man. He was a main reason that unit wasn't getting any good looks. Just wasn't doing anything. We can't keep throwing him out there for him to give us nothing, no matter who's fault it is. Something needs to change in how we're dealing with him. Either scrap the system or find guards who can run the system. Grant is caught in no-mans land.

What looks is Grant supposed to be getting guys in the triangle? We're not running plays for that. And you could put Magic Johnson with that unit and he would be -17 as well.

[NYKnicksTAPE]

Melo has been a tough fighter and he's a generally happy guy. And yeah he likes New York. There's a limit to all that lol. I think he'd take Boston 90% likely. This is not how he wants to finish his career. He hasn't lost sight of the playoffs and winning, but the Knicks have.

Lots of eventual divorces look like happy marriages publicly before the split. I think he'd take an out to a good club. Any other perspective is the New York bubble. His no trade was not to stay a Knick forever, it was to control where he goes.

Ainge giving up the pick? Maybe not, don't have a strong opinion on this. But there are some signs he wanted to cash in some of his wildcard vouchers (all a pick really is) for a star. Few would call it a really crazy decision.

I see no reason at all for why the Celtics would want Melo. He is not the star they'd ever think of trading their assets for.

[HarthorneWingo]

Come on he barely played and I don't think play with any of the starters--his unit was horrible, DWill was bricking threes and him and Seraphin were getting toasted in the paint. And Lance has been basically nonexistent. But Fish isolates him as the problem and takes him out. Kid has no chance the way he's being used.

We can only blame the system for so much. Grant looks terrible in all facets man. He was a main reason that unit wasn't getting any good looks. Just wasn't doing anything. We can't keep throwing him out there for him to give us nothing, no matter who's fault it is. Something needs to change in how we're dealing with him. Either scrap the system or find guards who can run the system. Grant is caught in no-mans land.

What looks is Grant supposed to be getting guys in the triangle? We're not running plays for that. And you could put Magic Johnson with that unit and he would be -17 as well.

Grant is so baffling. Sometimes he looks like the future PG we drafted who just needs to be consistent. Other times, he look like he needs to be send down to the D-League. His confidence seems so fragile, which surprises me because of his family pedigree.

[GONYK]

Other teams are playing that game. But they are also playing that game with there current rosters as well. For example the clippers and CP3. How long is he going to be as dominant. Do you go all in on a better fit alongside DJ maybe with Melo?

I think as long as you get a 2nd or 3rd team involved you have a little more leverage to get a less underwhelming offer.

Ansd if low picks, expirings, and mayber a decent player is the best package you hold Melo until he widens his teams he will go too. The good thing is there isn't a rush at the moment.

We have less leverage in 2-3 years at 33 yrs old if we are still a stagnant team. At least worth putting feelers out there at the deadline to see what teams are desperate to make a run.

Even in that scenario though, I doubt the Clips are willing to trade Blake for either Kevin Durant or Carmelo Anthony. If their latitude of acceptance is that wide, then sure, listen to the offer.

I, personally, would be very shocked.

I can't see any deals for Melo that would make sense for all three parties unless someone was getting the shaft.

FWIW, I read that the Clips are looking to trade Blake. Under the circumstances, that's understandable. Plus, the respective arcs of CP3 and Melo coincide, so I don't the problem. Who would be getting the shaft in a deal that sends Melo to the Clips, Blake to the Celts and a bunch of picks and maybe Crowder (and Lee) to us? Maybe there would other filler and moving parts made to make it work, but I like the idea.

That 3-team trade is plausible, but I question how desperate they are to move Blake

[HarthorneWingo]

Melo has been a tough fighter and he's a generally happy guy. And yeah he likes New York. There's a limit to all that lol. I think he'd take Boston 90% likely. This is not how he wants to finish his career. He hasn't lost sight of the playoffs and winning, but the Knicks have.

Lots of eventual divorces look like happy marriages publicly before the split. I think he'd take an out to a good club. Any other perspective is the New York bubble. His no trade was not to stay a Knick forever, it was to control where he goes.

Ainge giving up the pick? Maybe not, don't have a strong opinion on this. But there are some signs he wanted to cash in some of his wildcard vouchers (all a pick really is) for a star. Few would call it a really crazy decision.

I see no reason at all for why the Celtics would want Melo. He is not the star they'd ever think of trading their assets for.

It's the Clipper who would take Melo.

[Red Vines]

Galloway had 1 point and 2 assists in 34 minutes as the starting PG, at home, in an important game...that anyone would even bring up the meaningless 7 minutes Fisher gave Grant is pretty ridiculous.

[TrueWarrior]

Come on he barely played and I don't think play with any of the starters--his unit was horrible, DWill was bricking threes and him and Seraphin were getting toasted in the paint. And Lance has been basically nonexistent. But Fish isolates him as the problem and takes him out. Kid has no chance the way he's being used.

We can only blame the system for so much. Grant looks terrible in all facets man. He was a main reason that unit wasn't getting any good looks. Just wasn't doing anything. We can't keep throwing him out there for him to give us nothing, no matter who's fault it is. Something needs to change in how we're dealing with him. Either scrap the system or find guards who can run the system. Grant is caught in no-mans land.

What looks is Grant supposed to be getting guys in the triangle? We're not running plays for that.

Why is Grant out there then? Certainly not to shoot. He can't even penetrate much anymore because they're saggin off him more than robert de niro's testicles, and most of his layups are wild when he does decide to drive. Like I said there's no shame in a rookie needing some time, even if they're older. Grant has had plenty of chances. More than he has deserved. He's gotten more minutes than every other rookie picked outside the lotto besides Larry Nance. Yet he hasn't been able to beat out Jose or even Sasha, and looks as lost as ever.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kt3ZN4Q0HwE[/youtube]

^Why workout vids are usually useless. Grant nailing multiple step backs and pull ups and bankers in a row like it's nothing. Shooting fast and with confidence. All of that gone now. My biggest problem with Grant is that he seems soft though. Physically soft, and more alarmingly, mentally soft. I don't see any dog in him. More like a puppy.

Also the first thing I did was bring up Galloway btw. He was terrible tonight, but he's at least an NBA player right now. We also know he's not a PG. The only reason he's starting and playing so many minutes is because Jerian stinks even more. It's not Jerian's fault we are relying on him so much though, now and in the future. That's on Phil for ignoring the PG spot. I still have hope for Jerian down the line, but he shouldn't be playing for the time being until he gets his mind right.

[HarthorneWingo]

Even in that scenario though, I doubt the Clips are willing to trade Blake for either Kevin Durant or Carmelo Anthony. If their latitude of acceptance is that wide, then sure, listen to the offer.

I, personally, would be very shocked.

I can't see any deals for Melo that would make sense for all three parties unless someone was getting the shaft.

FWIW, I read that the Clips are looking to trade Blake. Under the circumstances, that's understandable. Plus, the respective arcs of CP3 and Melo coincide, so I don't the problem. Who would be getting the shaft in a deal that sends Melo to the Clips, Blake to the Celts and a bunch of picks and maybe Crowder (and Lee) to us? Maybe there would other filler and moving parts made to make it work, but I like the idea.

That 3-team trade is plausible, but I question how desperate they are to move Blake

That's what it'll come down to. But I think Melo says "yes."

[HarthorneWingo]

We can only blame the system for so much. Grant looks terrible in all facets man. He was a main reason that unit wasn't getting any good looks. Just wasn't doing anything. We can't keep throwing him out there for him to give us nothing, no matter who's fault it is. Something needs to change in how we're dealing with him. Either scrap the system or find guards who can run the system. Grant is caught in no-mans land.

What looks is Grant supposed to be getting guys in the triangle? We're not running plays for that.

Why is Grant out there then? Certainly not to shoot. He can't even penetrate much anymore because they're saggin off him more than robert de niro's testicles, and most of his layups are wild when he does decide to drive. Like I said there's no shame in a rookie needing some time, even if they're older. Grant has had plenty of chances. More than he has deserved. He's gotten more minutes than every other rookie picked outside the lotto besides Larry Nance. He hasn't been able to beat out Jose or even Sasha, and looks as lost as ever.

Also the first thing I did was bring up Galloway btw. He was terrible but he's at least an NBA player right now.

Lower than DeNiro's testicles?

[reub]

Grant played horribly tonight. He hurt us. Fisher using Grant Sasha Seraphin Williams and Lance together was criminal.

[mrcalzone]

Aa, Gallo, Grant, Williams, Seraphin, Sasha( good try), lance, O Quinn.

Let's be serious ...


Bums no if ands or buts. No one else hardly pick us up.


They don't care, I don't.

I said I was never a fan of Galloway and I don't think hes good and I got torn apart by the board. Hope people are coming around.

Anyone who may have gotten butthurt during the GS game, I forgive you. I don't hold long term grudges.

[emo]

"He's the hero the Knicks deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll hunt him. Because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent guardian, a watchful protector. A dark knight."

- RealGM poster 'emo' speaks on the impact of Knicks point guard Jose Calderon

[mrcalzone]

"He's the hero the Knicks deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll hunt him. Because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent guardian, a watchful protector. A dark knight."

- RealGM poster 'emo' speaks on the impact of Knicks point guard Jose Calderon

can you believe it, emo. "I'm coming home" aka GallosOurFuture turned heel on me wrestling style. all because I said Galloway wasn't that good. All those games of 2K10 on Xbox360 back in the day got erased real fast I guess

[Thugger HBC]

Galloway had 1 point and 2 assists in 34 minutes as the starting PG, at home, in an important game...that anyone would even bring up the meaningless 7 minutes Fisher gave Grant is pretty ridiculous.

Our entire guard rotation is beyond awful, but I do agree about the few minutes that Grant got. Pretty much was my view when Sasha would get even less, didn't stop folks from complaining though.

[thebuzzardman]

Do not like the body languages, seems the team morale is low now

This is the team starting to tune out Fisher because they know he sucks.

[Phish Tank]

We still on track to win 35 games right? If so, we all good


Sent from the phish tank

[thebuzzardman]

Honestly, what is happening is that the Knicks overall talent isn't that great, so they needed Melo to be at 100% health and KP to not hit a rookie wall.

Instead, Melo got tripped by a referee, thereby turning him back into Knicks first 15 games Melo and with that, there went the Knicks slim playoff chances.
KP hitting the rookie wall while simultaneously catching a case of Chandleritis (the germs must still be in the vents of the MSG home locker room) makes it that much more definite the playoffs are done.

Season is over. Melo is playing through pain again and the team isn't talented enough to make up Melo at 80%.