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Re: Countdown to Don Newman Being Named Interim Head Coach 

Post#181 » by TheSecretWeapon » Thu Jan 28, 2016 10:33 pm

keynote wrote:I dunno about Blatt. That Lowe/Windhorst conversation was rather damning. He couldn't establish credibility in the locker room *and* was defensive about it. Perhaps after this humbling experience, he'll be less defensive about his status in the coaching pecking order -- but I'm not sure our vet-filled locker room will view his non-NBA experience any differently.

Either way: I think we won't formally pick our HC until mid-July at the earliest. I know we wanted to sell Durant on our organizational stability, but if we're going to clean house, we might as well use it to our advantage, and sell ourselves as the one place where KD gets direct input on choosing his next coach. Presti was rather coy about whether he consulted KD and Westbrook before hiring Donovan; perhaps Durant would value having a more formal seat at the table. As far as leverage goes, all we have is that + homecoming + average roster.

If EG/EG's successor hires a new coach before July, then the most we could do would be to float prospective candidates past a Durant surrogate in a clandestine manner.

The thing about Blatt in Cleveland was that everything he did was poisoned by Lebron's agenda to have Mark Jackson be his coach. Had Lebron bought in, things would have turned out differently.

That said, it is possible that Lebron sniffed out a phony immediately, and was correct in overriding Blatt and wanting him gone. Given Blatt's success coaching elsewhere, I think that's unlikely. It is possible, though.

That said, it's sorta academic to the exercise I went through with each team. I considered Wittman vs. Lue for a "trade" -- not Blatt.
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Re: Countdown to Don Newman Being Named Interim Head Coach 

Post#182 » by keynote » Thu Jan 28, 2016 11:04 pm

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keynote wrote:I dunno about Blatt. That Lowe/Windhorst conversation was rather damning. He couldn't establish credibility in the locker room *and* was defensive about it. Perhaps after this humbling experience, he'll be less defensive about his status in the coaching pecking order -- but I'm not sure our vet-filled locker room will view his non-NBA experience any differently.

Either way: I think we won't formally pick our HC until mid-July at the earliest. I know we wanted to sell Durant on our organizational stability, but if we're going to clean house, we might as well use it to our advantage, and sell ourselves as the one place where KD gets direct input on choosing his next coach. Presti was rather coy about whether he consulted KD and Westbrook before hiring Donovan; perhaps Durant would value having a more formal seat at the table. As far as leverage goes, all we have is that + homecoming + average roster.

If EG/EG's successor hires a new coach before July, then the most we could do would be to float prospective candidates past a Durant surrogate in a clandestine manner.

The thing about Blatt in Cleveland was that everything he did was poisoned by Lebron's agenda to have Mark Jackson be his coach. Had Lebron bought in, things would have turned out differently.

That said, it is possible that Lebron sniffed out a phony immediately, and was correct in overriding Blatt and wanting him gone. Given Blatt's success coaching elsewhere, I think that's unlikely. It is possible, though.

I'd agree with you 100%, but for the fact that Blatt has been so defensive about his status as a non-rookie coach. A little humility could've gone a long way in preventing LeBron from curdling the rest of the locker room.

That said, it's sorta academic to the exercise I went through with each team. I considered Wittman vs. Lue for a "trade" -- not Blatt.


Fair enough -- although I was responding to your aside stating that you *would* trade Wittman for Blatt. I would, too -- but that doesn't necessarily mean that I want us to hire Blatt as our next coach.

Lue obviously doesn't have a long track record as HC. But he's worked with/under good coaches in two successful organizations, and he has experience with player development with a third successful organization. So, I'd probably pull the trigger on that "trade" as well.
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Re: Countdown to Don Newman Being Named Interim Head Coach 

Post#183 » by AWIZZINGBULLET » Fri Jan 29, 2016 2:59 am

I feel a change coming.
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Re: Countdown to Don Newman Being Named Interim Head Coach 

Post#184 » by gravytrain24 » Fri Jan 29, 2016 3:26 am

AWIZZINGBULLET wrote:I feel a change coming.


If it does it has to happen after the Milwaukee game before the all-star break, to give the new coach 6 days to try to implement their system. Randy Wittman looked like he didn't even want to be there and his post-game press conference exuded that as well.
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Re: Countdown to Don Newman Being Named Interim Head Coach 

Post#185 » by nate33 » Fri Jan 29, 2016 4:48 am

Dark Faze wrote:when you have a guy who somehow elevates his guys in the playoffs--you hold onto him

i know the regular seasons have been ehhhh but lets see him goof with quality ingredients before we blame the chef

I look at it the other way around.

I think coaching in the playoffs is easier. You have all the time in the world to figure out what the other coach is doing, after a few adjustments, and adjustments to their adjustments, it eventually boils down to talent.

In the regular season, coaching makes a bigger difference because a good game plan that takes advantage of the opposition's weakness is usually enough to steal the game before the other team adapts.

In short, I think teams that perform better in the playoffs aren't actually performing better in the playoffs, they are underperforming in the regular season.
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Re: Countdown to Don Newman Being Named Interim Head Coach 

Post#186 » by SizzlinSimms » Fri Jan 29, 2016 8:50 am

At this pace I say it happens after the Wizards lose against the Bucks on February 11th and then we don't have a game till the 19th against Detroit.
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Re: Countdown to Don Newman Being Named Interim Head Coach 

Post#187 » by sashae » Mon Feb 1, 2016 5:20 pm

Suns can Hornacek who was GREAT last year, and yet we still hold on to Witt. Unreal.
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Re: Countdown to Don Newman Being Named Interim Head Coach 

Post#188 » by nate33 » Mon Feb 1, 2016 5:24 pm

sashae wrote:Suns can Hornacek who was GREAT last year, and yet we still hold on to Witt. Unreal.

To be fair, Hornacek lost his team. When that happens, it's over.

As much as we criticize Wittman, he doesn't seem to have lost the team, yet.
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Re: Countdown to Don Newman Being Named Interim Head Coach 

Post#189 » by sashae » Mon Feb 1, 2016 9:17 pm

True, Wittman's only failing is that he can't coach for s--t.
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Re: Countdown to Don Newman Being Named Interim Head Coach 

Post#190 » by sashae » Mon Feb 1, 2016 9:17 pm

...but you know, otherwise he's cool.
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Re: Countdown to Don Newman Being Named Interim Head Coach 

Post#191 » by AWIZZINGBULLET » Tue Feb 2, 2016 12:18 am

Don Newman taking over head coaching duties tonight versus OKC...just sayin'.
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Re: Countdown to Don Newman Being Named Interim Head Coach 

Post#192 » by deneem4 » Wed Feb 3, 2016 10:39 am

We need to put a bid in for kenny Atkinson....he's the type of coach we need...
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Re: Countdown to Don Newman Being Named Interim Head Coach 

Post#193 » by AWIZZINGBULLET » Wed Feb 3, 2016 10:46 pm

deneem4 wrote:We need to put a bid in for kenny Atkinson....he's the type of coach we need...


Who dat?
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Re: Countdown to Don Newman Being Named Interim Head Coach 

Post#194 » by TheSecretWeapon » Wed Feb 3, 2016 10:48 pm

AWIZZINGBULLET wrote:
deneem4 wrote:We need to put a bid in for kenny Atkinson....he's the type of coach we need...


Who dat?

Assistant coach in Atlanta.
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Re: Countdown to Don Newman Being Named Interim Head Coach 

Post#195 » by deneem4 » Wed Feb 3, 2016 11:12 pm

TheSecretWeapon wrote:
AWIZZINGBULLET wrote:
deneem4 wrote:We need to put a bid in for kenny Atkinson....he's the type of coach we need...


Who dat?

Assistant coach in Atlanta.


He's a player type one on one coach who specializes in player development...focuses on who's playing well and doesn't really worry about giving the "known" players minutes of they're being out produced by a bench guy
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Re: Countdown to Don Newman Being Named Interim Head Coach 

Post#196 » by TheSecretWeapon » Wed Feb 3, 2016 11:25 pm

deneem4 wrote:
TheSecretWeapon wrote:
AWIZZINGBULLET wrote:
Who dat?

Assistant coach in Atlanta.


He's a player type one on one coach who specializes in player development...focuses on who's playing well and doesn't really worry about giving the "known" players minutes of they're being out produced by a bench guy

Out of curiosity, considering that Atkinson has never been a head coach, what makes you think he'd distribute minutes in this way?
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Re: Countdown to Don Newman Being Named Interim Head Coach 

Post#197 » by deneem4 » Thu Feb 4, 2016 12:30 am

TheSecretWeapon wrote:
deneem4 wrote:
TheSecretWeapon wrote:Assistant coach in Atlanta.


He's a player type one on one coach who specializes in player development...focuses on who's playing well and doesn't really worry about giving the "known" players minutes of they're being out produced by a bench guy

Out of curiosity, considering that Atkinson has never been a head coach, what makes you think he'd distribute minutes in this way?


Jeremy lin
Iman shumpert
Dennis Schroder
Kent bazemore
Landry fields

Guards seem to develop well where he coaches
Look at Atlanta this season vs last
Teams also seem to become better...
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Re: Countdown to Don Newman Being Named Interim Head Coach 

Post#198 » by TheSecretWeapon » Thu Feb 4, 2016 12:47 am

deneem4 wrote:
TheSecretWeapon wrote:
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He's a player type one on one coach who specializes in player development...focuses on who's playing well and doesn't really worry about giving the "known" players minutes of they're being out produced by a bench guy

Out of curiosity, considering that Atkinson has never been a head coach, what makes you think he'd distribute minutes in this way?


Jeremy lin
Iman shumpert
Dennis Schroder
Kent bazemore
Landry fields

Guards seem to develop well where he coaches
Look at Atlanta this season vs last

Appreciate this, but it's not what I asked. Also, this is a pretty equivocal list of players. Lin was good for a short stretch in New York, but has been average since. Shumpert hasn't really "developed" at all. He's been below average most of his career, was decent for a short stretch in Cleveland last season, and has been having a crummy season in 2015-16. Schroder is a nice backup; Bazemore is having a good year too. Landry Fields got underrated coming out of college, was terrific as a rookie, got hurt, and disappeared.

Given equivocal "results" and considerable uncertainty about how much credit/blame Atkinson should receive, it doesn't seem like the résumé of a head coach. I'm not saying he'd be a bad head coach; just that I don't see much to make me think he'd be a good one.
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Re: Countdown to Don Newman Being Named Interim Head Coach 

Post#199 » by deneem4 » Thu Feb 4, 2016 1:42 am

TheSecretWeapon wrote:
deneem4 wrote:
TheSecretWeapon wrote:Out of curiosity, considering that Atkinson has never been a head coach, what makes you think he'd distribute minutes in this way?


Jeremy lin
Iman shumpert
Dennis Schroder
Kent bazemore
Landry fields

Guards seem to develop well where he coaches
Look at Atlanta this season vs last

Appreciate this, but it's not what I asked. Also, this is a pretty equivocal list of players. Lin was good for a short stretch in New York, but has been average since. Shumpert hasn't really "developed" at all. He's been below average most of his career, was decent for a short stretch in Cleveland last season, and has been having a crummy season in 2015-16. Schroder is a nice backup; Bazemore is having a good year too. Landry Fields got underrated coming out of college, was terrific as a rookie, got hurt, and disappeared.

Given equivocal "results" and considerable uncertainty about how much credit/blame Atkinson should receive, it doesn't seem like the résumé of a head coach. I'm not saying he'd be a bad head coach; just that I don't see much to make me think he'd be a good one.


Exactly then he left or they left and the development stopped...he had the new york guys when they rookies...Schroder is just as good as Teague...so I guess Teague is a backup?

Also Horford also said tremendous thing bout how he expects alot from his players when to comes to getting better than they think...

Here's an old link of him
http://www.thebirdwrites.com/2015/5/14/7949231/new-orleans-pelicans-coaching-candidate-atlanta-hawks-assistant-kenny-atkinson
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Re: Countdown to Don Newman Being Named Interim Head Coach 

Post#200 » by TheSecretWeapon » Thu Feb 4, 2016 1:47 am

I think we mean different things when we're talking "development." To me, "development" indicates a lasting improvement, not a one-off. Basically, you've put together a list of guys who had a good year (in some cases), and then backslid. Seems a stretch to attribute the one good year to an assistant coach.
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