Official Trade Thread - Part XXX

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I can't stand this set of ideas. First off, Porter has tons of development in him and is already quite good. I wouldn't trade him straight up for Gallinari -- which is not to criticize Gallinari, just to recognize that he's peaked and passed his peak. I certainly wouldn't give a R1 pick too! We need to get younger not older.

Horford has 18,000 NBA minutes on his body. He's had a terrific career. He'll get a sizable and long-term contract. This is not the time in his career when you invest in a guy like Horford.

I keep wondering what these proposals mean to accomplish? Put names in a row that sound like something? Are we going to challenge for a title in the next 2 years by adding e.g. Gallinari/Horford? No. Meanwhile we'd throw away our chance to build a team that *can* challenge for a title.

[queridiculo]

My plan A, go after Whiteside hard. Faced with the prospect of losing him outright the Heat might be inclined to a agree to a sign and trade involving Marcin Gortat.

The Wizards add only about $12 million dollars to their payroll and can either use the remaining money to fill out the roster, or preserve enough money to pursue another near max free agent in 2017.

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Damn QUE! You be killin em!

[gambitx777]

A go all in for a play off run move
Beal and Thomas to 76ers for thunders 2016 pick from 76ers, Noel and covington (2016 pick only if we can talk them into it!)

NENE, Anderson, Gooden to the nets for Joe Johnson.

Hump Blair,(Neal if needed) and a first of some sort, 2017 from us or the thunder 2016 pick if we get it. for Ryan Anderson.

That would give us
Wall/Sessions/Neal (if we keep him)
Johnson/Temple/Eddie
Porter/Dudley/Kelly
Anderson/Covington
Gortat/Noel

We can fill in with guys off the street but that's a pretty damn good rotation. Lets say we extend or resign Anderson for about 11.5 something like what beals cap hold would have been or less, with noel and Covington, once Johnson comes off the books we will still have max money to toss around.
We can make the play offs with this team and maybe make some noise and still have an off season to make the team better, if we want to fix what EG screwed up in the off season something drastic like this does that.

[Dark Faze]

I can't stand this set of ideas. First off, Porter has tons of development in him and is already quite good. I wouldn't trade him straight up for Gallinari -- which is not to criticize Gallinari, just to recognize that he's peaked and passed his peak. I certainly wouldn't give a R1 pick too! We need to get younger not older.

Horford has 18,000 NBA minutes on his body. He's had a terrific career. He'll get a sizable and long-term contract. This is not the time in his career when you invest in a guy like Horford.

I keep wondering what these proposals mean to accomplish? Put names in a row that sound like something? Are we going to challenge for a title in the next 2 years by adding e.g. Gallinari/Horford? No. Meanwhile we'd throw away our chance to build a team that *can* challenge for a title.

I respect this post and understand the logic--my concern with Porter is that if he can't play the 4, then I don't know if he has a play in our rotation as a starter. Wall isn't a consistent 3 guy, and neither is Porter at this point. You're talking about a rotation where two of your perimeter players can't hit a three. That's a miserable core to start with.

Danilo is in his prime right now--and he gets to the line at EIGHT TIMES A GAME in combination with being a guy who can hit the three. He's exactly the kind of guy we could use next to Wall.

Semi agreed on Horford. I'm not nuts about giving him a max deal.

I'm completely against the idea of just building through the draft and relying on our young guys though. Blink and the next thing you know Wall is a year away from free agency and you've found out too late that the Porter/Beal/Wall core is Arenas/Butler/Jamison all over again.

[payitforward]

A go all in for a play off run move
Beal and Thomas to 76ers for thunders 2016 pick from 76ers, Noel and covington (2016 pick only if we can talk them into it!)

NENE, Anderson, Gooden to the nets for Joe Johnson.

Hump Blair,(Neal if needed) and a first of some sort, 2017 from us or the thunder 2016 pick if we get it. for Ryan Anderson.

...if we want to fix what EG screwed up in the off season something drastic like this does that.

?? You really think Philly will give us Noel, Covington and a R1 pick in the coming draft -- all that for Beal and the rights to Satoransky (note: that's pretty different from Satoransky himself, were he under contract)? Make it happen!

OTOH, *why* pray tell do the Nets want the 2d of your suggested trades? And, do you really want to give away a R1 pick to rent Ryan Anderson for 38 games? First thing, when you're in a hole, is stop digging.

[gambitx777]

A go all in for a play off run move
Beal and Thomas to 76ers for thunders 2016 pick from 76ers, Noel and covington (2016 pick only if we can talk them into it!)

NENE, Anderson, Gooden to the nets for Joe Johnson.

Hump Blair,(Neal if needed) and a first of some sort, 2017 from us or the thunder 2016 pick if we get it. for Ryan Anderson.

...if we want to fix what EG screwed up in the off season something drastic like this does that.

?? You really think Philly will give us Noel, Covington and a R1 pick in the coming draft -- all that for Beal and the rights to Satoransky (note: that's pretty different from Satoransky himself, were he under contract)? Make it happen!

OTOH, *why* pray tell do the Nets want the 2d of your suggested trades? And, do you really want to give away a R1 pick to rent Ryan Anderson for 38 games? First thing, when you're in a hole, is stop digging.

Number one yes I do, they have 3 picks and that one would be 28, they need starters, draft picks don't help them right now, Beal will be over paid, but they could over pay him 2 times over and still have cap room for max guys, They are not getting max caliber guys to sign there. beal makes sense for them, yes its a high price and we can live without the pick, which I said only if we can talk them into it. Brooklyn does this trade because it saves them money, and at this point, why not save some money? It makes a lot of sense for them to move that, and save that tax money and the salary in general. As for anderson, we no longer would have beals cap hold, we resign anderson or get him to extend with us for around 11 mill or so then we are no worse off than we were before the trade and we only have a little less cap room than we would have had, still plenty of room to bring in guys and build a team. not only that but if we do all this and it all works out what are we out, sure it suck if anderson leaves, but we would still have noel and covington and a hell of cap room with otto kelly wall and gortat to build around, Plus we make a play off run and we prove that we are creative and committed to winning and that is important on the free agent market.

[Illmatic12]

I can't stand this set of ideas. First off, Porter has tons of development in him and is already quite good. I wouldn't trade him straight up for Gallinari -- which is not to criticize Gallinari, just to recognize that he's peaked and passed his peak. I certainly wouldn't give a R1 pick too! We need to get younger not older.

Horford has 18,000 NBA minutes on his body. He's had a terrific career. He'll get a sizable and long-term contract. This is not the time in his career when you invest in a guy like Horford.

I keep wondering what these proposals mean to accomplish? Put names in a row that sound like something? Are we going to challenge for a title in the next 2 years by adding e.g. Gallinari/Horford? No. Meanwhile we'd throw away our chance to build a team that *can* challenge for a title.

I respect this post and understand the logic--my concern with Porter is that if he can't play the 4, then I don't know if he has a play in our rotation as a starter. Wall isn't a consistent 3 guy, and neither is Porter at this point. You're talking about a rotation where two of your perimeter players can't hit a three. That's a miserable core to start with.

Danilo is in his prime right now--and he gets to the line at EIGHT TIMES A GAME in combination with being a guy who can hit the three. He's exactly the kind of guy we could use next to Wall.

Semi agreed on Horford. I'm not nuts about giving him a max deal.

I'm completely against the idea of just building through the draft and relying on our young guys though. Blink and the next thing you know Wall is a year away from free agency and you've found out too late that the Porter/Beal/Wall core is Arenas/Butler/Jamison all over again.

Correct Porter can't succeed at the 4, he is too thin. He has potential at the 3, but Oubre is younger, cheaper, and has more potential as a 3+D SF.

Otto would have a lot of value to other teams, but he is expendable to the Wizards future as it stands. I would look to package Porter + protected first for Gallinari or Tobias Harris, either of them can provide legitimate scoring as weakside slashers/shooters and they are more physically suited to play the stretch 4 role we need.

[gambitx777]

I don;t feel like the core is the whole issue here, Wall, Porter, Kelly and Gortat is pretty solids building blocks, and yes toss beal in there and he belongs, But I am not sure we should keep beal. I feel like he needs trades now before his value drops any more. I still think Philly would have interest in him.

[nuposse04]

I don;t feel like the core is the whole issue here, Wall, Porter, Kelly and Gortat is pretty solids building blocks, and yes toss beal in there and he belongs, But I am not sure we should keep beal. I feel like he needs trades now before his value drops any more. I still think Philly would have interest in him.

Beal has been playing pretty well since coming back, I'd like to afford him the chance to finish out the season to see if there is substantial improvement. Unless of course someone offers something obvious we ought to not pass up, but I don't see why anyone would give us assets for Beal when they could probably just sign him to a max contract and give us pause.

[deneem4]

I can't stand this set of ideas. First off, Porter has tons of development in him and is already quite good. I wouldn't trade him straight up for Gallinari -- which is not to criticize Gallinari, just to recognize that he's peaked and passed his peak. I certainly wouldn't give a R1 pick too! We need to get younger not older.

Horford has 18,000 NBA minutes on his body. He's had a terrific career. He'll get a sizable and long-term contract. This is not the time in his career when you invest in a guy like Horford.

I keep wondering what these proposals mean to accomplish? Put names in a row that sound like something? Are we going to challenge for a title in the next 2 years by adding e.g. Gallinari/Horford? No. Meanwhile we'd throw away our chance to build a team that *can* challenge for a title.

I respect this post and understand the logic--my concern with Porter is that if he can't play the 4, then I don't know if he has a play in our rotation as a starter. Wall isn't a consistent 3 guy, and neither is Porter at this point. You're talking about a rotation where two of your perimeter players can't hit a three. That's a miserable core to start with.

Danilo is in his prime right now--and he gets to the line at EIGHT TIMES A GAME in combination with being a guy who can hit the three. He's exactly the kind of guy we could use next to Wall.

Semi agreed on Horford. I'm not nuts about giving him a max deal.

I'm completely against the idea of just building through the draft and relying on our young guys though. Blink and the next thing you know Wall is a year away from free agency and you've found out too late that the Porter/Beal/Wall core is Arenas/Butler/Jamison all over again.

Correct Porter can't succeed at the 4, he is too thin. He has potential at the 3, but Oubre is younger, cheaper, and has more potential as a 3+D SF.

Otto would have a lot of value to other teams, but he is expendable to the Wizards future as it stands. I would look to package Porter + protected first for Gallinari or Tobias Harris, either of them can provide legitimate scoring as weakside slashers/shooters and they are more physically suited to play the stretch 4 role we need.

We had wall session temple Neal and gortat in the game at 1 point...enough of the Porter too skinny...he's long...

Draymond 6'6 he wouldn't even play if we drafted him because he'll be too slow as a sf and too small as a power forward...scoring to wizards mentality
Nene put him in the post easy, and backed him down with ease and that almsot happens every night...but he makes up for it with his length and activity

[Illmatic12]

I respect this post and understand the logic--my concern with Porter is that if he can't play the 4, then I don't know if he has a play in our rotation as a starter. Wall isn't a consistent 3 guy, and neither is Porter at this point. You're talking about a rotation where two of your perimeter players can't hit a three. That's a miserable core to start with.

Danilo is in his prime right now--and he gets to the line at EIGHT TIMES A GAME in combination with being a guy who can hit the three. He's exactly the kind of guy we could use next to Wall.

Semi agreed on Horford. I'm not nuts about giving him a max deal.

I'm completely against the idea of just building through the draft and relying on our young guys though. Blink and the next thing you know Wall is a year away from free agency and you've found out too late that the Porter/Beal/Wall core is Arenas/Butler/Jamison all over again.

Correct Porter can't succeed at the 4, he is too thin. He has potential at the 3, but Oubre is younger, cheaper, and has more potential as a 3+D SF.

Otto would have a lot of value to other teams, but he is expendable to the Wizards future as it stands. I would look to package Porter + protected first for Gallinari or Tobias Harris, either of them can provide legitimate scoring as weakside slashers/shooters and they are more physically suited to play the stretch 4 role we need.

We had wall session temple Neal and gortat in the game at 1 point...enough of the Porter too skinny...he's long...

Draymond 6'6 he wouldn't even play if we drafted him because he'll be too slow as a sf and too small as a power forward...scoring to wizards mentality
Nene put him in the post easy, and backed him down with ease and that almsot happens every night...but he makes up for it with his length and activity

Porter's defensive ability/upside isn't anywhere near Draymond Green. Compared to Green, Otto is just not that kind of player who can competently switch onto any position and wreak havoc.

OP Jr was an offensive prospect, his offense is ahead of his defense (whereas Draymond is the opposite).. the issue for Otto is that even his offense is underwhelming because he struggles to convert open threes, and doesn't aggressively look to score.

When Otto gets the ball swung to him on the weakside, he doesn't look to do anything with it other than pass it out. That's where a player like Gallinari would be an upgrade, he can be that additional scoring threat who can slash and attack closeouts, taking pressure off of Wall to create action for everyone. Then you can slot in a young, uber-athletic Oubre at SF who has the potential to be a 40%+ three point shooter and good slasher.

[deneem4]

Correct Porter can't succeed at the 4, he is too thin. He has potential at the 3, but Oubre is younger, cheaper, and has more potential as a 3+D SF.

Otto would have a lot of value to other teams, but he is expendable to the Wizards future as it stands. I would look to package Porter + protected first for Gallinari or Tobias Harris, either of them can provide legitimate scoring as weakside slashers/shooters and they are more physically suited to play the stretch 4 role we need.

We had wall session temple Neal and gortat in the game at 1 point...enough of the Porter too skinny...he's long...

Draymond 6'6 he wouldn't even play if we drafted him because he'll be too slow as a sf and too small as a power forward...scoring to wizards mentality
Nene put him in the post easy, and backed him down with ease and that almsot happens every night...but he makes up for it with his length and activity

Porter's defensive ability/upside isn't anywhere near Draymond Green. Compared to Green, Otto is just not that kind of player who can competently switch onto any position and wreak havoc.

OP Jr was an offensive prospect, his offense is ahead of his defense (whereas Draymond is the opposite).. the issue for Otto is that even his offense is underwhelming because he struggles to convert open threes, and doesn't aggressively look to score.

When Otto gets the ball swung to him on the weakside, he doesn't look to do anything with it other than pass it out. That's where a player like Gallinari would be an upgrade, he can be that additional scoring threat who can slash and attack closeouts, taking pressure off of Wall to create action for everyone. Then you can slot in a young, uber-athletic Oubre at SF who has the potential to be a 40%+ three point shooter and good slasher.

That's why u take him off the wing and get him closer to the paint...let him be in 3pt range where he feels comfortable...now u have a floating pf offensively...
And you're right he's not toted as defensively...but he have all the mechanics to be an above average defender...that's where u trade for a guy like tyshawn prince...that's what vets for...Timberwolves have him there for a reason, same with Garnett and towns...

We trade youth to old for the last 10 years or so...
Gallanari is good but he has a green light on a struggling nuggets team who honestly isn't that bad, but for some reason are trying to lose..

I'm not saying gallanari production will fall off I'm just saying it wont fit with ours. We don't need a 2nd offensive option at pf we need length defense and speed..simply because we have gortat and he's no Dj which wall needs

Oubre can be what we need now if we play him, with the players we plan to in the future...I mean that's common sense....look at Detroit, Miami, New York, Minnesota,
They're playing these young guys, because they want them to be apart of their current core...

[Dark Faze]

We really can't wait around to see if Otto can hit the three or defend the 4. So far he can't do either, so if you can upgrade for a guy in his prime that can stretch the floor and has a high free throw rate...it'd be stupid not to make the swap.

We don't have all day to develop guys anymore. That's over with now. Blame Ernie. The truth is that we are in a critical time. I see Gallo as the Isaiah Thomas of the Forward position in regards to value. It's hard to get guys like that.

[dckingsfan]

The fat lady is warming up and hitting the high notes. We should be sellers looking for youth. Any of Temple, Neal, Anderson, Beal, Dudley, Nene, Humprhies, Blair, Gooden for young players or picks. No price too low.

[gambitx777]

I don;t feel like the core is the whole issue here, Wall, Porter, Kelly and Gortat is pretty solids building blocks, and yes toss beal in there and he belongs, But I am not sure we should keep beal. I feel like he needs trades now before his value drops any more. I still think Philly would have interest in him.

Beal has been playing pretty well since coming back, I'd like to afford him the chance to finish out the season to see if there is substantial improvement. Unless of course someone offers something obvious we ought to not pass up, but I don't see why anyone would give us assets for Beal when they could probably just sign him to a max contract and give us pause.

Teams should know better than to think they can sign him, we can match any offer and at this point we would not let him walk for nothing, EG would rather max him out and try to move him later for a loss than let him walk for nothing!

[TGW]

The fat lady is warming up and hitting the high notes. We should be sellers looking for youth. Any of Temple, Neal, Anderson, Beal, Dudley, Nene, Humprhies, Blair, Gooden for young players or picks. No price too low.

You forgot Gortat.

[Dark Faze]

The fat lady is warming up and hitting the high notes. We should be sellers looking for youth. Any of Temple, Neal, Anderson, Beal, Dudley, Nene, Humprhies, Blair, Gooden for young players or picks. No price too low.

You'd be lucky to get some second rounders for most of those guys. Trading Beal when he's finally taking some strides would be a mistake unless we can get a young guy with all-star potential.

Mailing it all in for a complete rebuild though? God no. Ask the Lakers how these last two drafts have gone for them.

[Ruzious]

I respect this post and understand the logic--my concern with Porter is that if he can't play the 4, then I don't know if he has a play in our rotation as a starter. Wall isn't a consistent 3 guy, and neither is Porter at this point. You're talking about a rotation where two of your perimeter players can't hit a three. That's a miserable core to start with.

Danilo is in his prime right now--and he gets to the line at EIGHT TIMES A GAME in combination with being a guy who can hit the three. He's exactly the kind of guy we could use next to Wall.

Semi agreed on Horford. I'm not nuts about giving him a max deal.

I'm completely against the idea of just building through the draft and relying on our young guys though. Blink and the next thing you know Wall is a year away from free agency and you've found out too late that the Porter/Beal/Wall core is Arenas/Butler/Jamison all over again.

Correct Porter can't succeed at the 4, he is too thin. He has potential at the 3, but Oubre is younger, cheaper, and has more potential as a 3+D SF.

Otto would have a lot of value to other teams, but he is expendable to the Wizards future as it stands. I would look to package Porter + protected first for Gallinari or Tobias Harris, either of them can provide legitimate scoring as weakside slashers/shooters and they are more physically suited to play the stretch 4 role we need.

We had wall session temple Neal and gortat in the game at 1 point...enough of the Porter too skinny...he's long...

Draymond 6'6 he wouldn't even play if we drafted him because he'll be too slow as a sf and too small as a power forward...scoring to wizards mentality
Nene put him in the post easy, and backed him down with ease and that almsot happens every night...but he makes up for it with his length and activity

Length is a great quality, but it's not enough in and of itself. Draymond's probably got a good 40 pounds of muscle on Porter. Even in this era of small ball, there aren't ANY other PF's as skinny as Otto. It puts him at a big disadvantage inside fighting for rebounds.

[Ruzious]

A go all in for a play off run move
Beal and Thomas to 76ers for thunders 2016 pick from 76ers, Noel and covington (2016 pick only if we can talk them into it!)

NENE, Anderson, Gooden to the nets for Joe Johnson.

Hump Blair,(Neal if needed) and a first of some sort, 2017 from us or the thunder 2016 pick if we get it. for Ryan Anderson.

...if we want to fix what EG screwed up in the off season something drastic like this does that.

?? You really think Philly will give us Noel, Covington and a R1 pick in the coming draft -- all that for Beal and the rights to Satoransky (note: that's pretty different from Satoransky himself, were he under contract)? Make it happen!

OTOH, *why* pray tell do the Nets want the 2d of your suggested trades? And, do you really want to give away a R1 pick to rent Ryan Anderson for 38 games? First thing, when you're in a hole, is stop digging.

Number one yes I do, they have 3 picks and that one would be 28, they need starters, draft picks don't help them right now, Beal will be over paid, but they could over pay him 2 times over and still have cap room for max guys, They are not getting max caliber guys to sign there. beal makes sense for them, yes its a high price and we can live without the pick, which I said only if we can talk them into it. Brooklyn does this trade because it saves them money, and at this point, why not save some money? It makes a lot of sense for them to move that, and save that tax money and the salary in general. As for anderson, we no longer would have beals cap hold, we resign anderson or get him to extend with us for around 11 mill or so then we are no worse off than we were before the trade and we only have a little less cap room than we would have had, still plenty of room to bring in guys and build a team. not only that but if we do all this and it all works out what are we out, sure it suck if anderson leaves, but we would still have noel and covington and a hell of cap room with otto kelly wall and gortat to build around, Plus we make a play off run and we prove that we are creative and committed to winning and that is important on the free agent market.

That's a good point that Philly might be a good destination for Beal - because they're going to be ridiculously far below the cap. There is a cap minimum as well as a cap max. Granted, there are other ways of getting to the cap minimum