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I have the exact same injury, on the same left arm. It's a hindrance as you can't properly extend the arm so it limits mobility.

He has to feel good that he can finally recover. He'll be back refreshed w/ both arms to go to war with.
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Post#302 » by twix2500 » Thu Feb 4, 2016 3:19 pm

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I believe Heat org prolonged Tylers surgery because we needed him out there. This surgery comes after our 4 game winning streak and Amare emerging out of the pine wood & being a factor in our win streak. They should have gotten Johnson his surgery months ago.

It was TJ decision not the organization. He was so worried about losing money because of his injury. Which is understandable, I'm sure I would of done the samething. Hell I played with a dislocated thumb in high school. The coaches didn't know till my teammate told the coach. TJ was not helping himself playing thru the injury. He was look horrible, and you know his play was gonna be used against him this summer.

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Post#303 » by QUIZ » Thu Feb 4, 2016 3:39 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/jonathantjarks/status/695248154782904321[/tweet]

My own observation, out of our 4 man core of Wade, Bosh, Whiteside, and Dragic.

Bosh and Dragic seem to fit together and have positive net ratings when sharing the floor... Wade and Whiteside on the other hand...

Tough decisions ahead.

Replace Wade, Deng, and Whiteside with Ryan Anderson, Ariza, and JJ Redick.

How much better would we be as a team?

The question you have to ask yourself, is the duo of Bosh and Goran good enough to build around.

The front offices thinks so considering the fact that those two are the only guys with long term big money deals while Wade and Hassan are in contract years.

I think it's pretty clear who we're commited to and who we're not.
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Post#304 » by twix2500 » Thu Feb 4, 2016 4:03 pm

QUIZ wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/jonathantjarks/status/695248154782904321[/tweet]

My own observation, out of our 4 man core of Wade, Bosh, Whiteside, and Dragic.

Bosh and Dragic seem to fit together and have positive net ratings when sharing the floor... Wade and Whiteside on the other hand...

Tough decisions ahead.

Replace Wade, Deng, and Whiteside with Ryan Anderson, Ariza, and JJ Redick.

How much better would we be as a team?

The question you have to ask yourself, is the duo of Bosh and Goran good enough to build around.

The front offices thinks so considering the fact that those two are the only guys with long term big money deals while Wade and Hassan are in contract years.

I think it's pretty clear who we're commited to and who we're not.

Yes it sure can, one complementary piece can make a big difference. We witness it here with Battier sub for Joel Anthony. Piston became dominate when they added Rasheed Wallace next to Ben Wallace. How important Eric Snow was to Iverson. We have to find that player or players.



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Post#305 » by RexBoyWonder » Thu Feb 4, 2016 4:07 pm

QUIZ wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/jonathantjarks/status/695248154782904321[/tweet]

My own observation, out of our 4 man core of Wade, Bosh, Whiteside, and Dragic.

Bosh and Dragic seem to fit together and have positive net ratings when sharing the floor... Wade and Whiteside on the other hand...

Tough decisions ahead.

Replace Wade, Deng, and Whiteside with Ryan Anderson, Ariza, and JJ Redick.

How much better would we be as a team?

The question you have to ask yourself, is the duo of Bosh and Goran good enough to build around.

The front offices thinks so considering the fact that those two are the only guys with long term big money deals while Wade and Hassan are in contract years.

I think it's pretty clear who we're commited to and who we're not.


U drink Q?

It has nothing to with who we're committed to, it's just how things developed because of free agency. You really think we're more committed to Dragic then to Wade? hell no.

Also Hassan is very likely to get a 4 year deal here this summer, It's not like we could have gotten him locked up sooner.

We don't need to trade key pieces just yet. What we really need to do is :

1. Keep working on that Whiteside/Dragic connection, it has gotten a bit better but still needs work.
2. Keep working with Hassan on passing, setting screens.
3. Add the best shooting we can around our big 4. (also keep working with Justise on his 3's)

Despite Deng's improved play, that's where upgrading would be the easiest. He's a fine aging player, we need something different, a different skillset and energy.

Playing with pace and space already is making everyone look better, there's no need for huge change ATM.

If we replace Deng with a good shooting SF, play faster, Give Whiteside and Justise more time to improve their weakness, keep building team chemistry and we still struggle by this time next year - THEN you start thinking about trades. And I Think Dragic will be the first we should move IF we get to that.
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Post#306 » by Tim_Hardawayy » Thu Feb 4, 2016 4:10 pm

QUIZ wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/jonathantjarks/status/695248154782904321[/tweet]

My own observation, out of our 4 man core of Wade, Bosh, Whiteside, and Dragic.

Bosh and Dragic seem to fit together and have positive net ratings when sharing the floor... Wade and Whiteside on the other hand...

Tough decisions ahead.

Replace Wade, Deng, and Whiteside with Ryan Anderson, Ariza, and JJ Redick.

How much better would we be as a team?

The question you have to ask yourself, is the duo of Bosh and Goran good enough to build around.

The front offices thinks so considering the fact that those two are the only guys with long term big money deals while Wade and Hassan are in contract years.

I think it's pretty clear who we're commited to and who we're not.


Interesting article, but its no coincidence of the timing of it, coming right after a mediocre performance from Wade.

The issue is that yes, Wade's not an ideal fit in today's NBA with his lack of 3-point shot, but he's the only guy out of the 5 we have who can consistently get us into our offense AND be a bail-out option against good defense. Goran can do the former, not the latter, Bosh can do the latter but not the former, and none of the other guys can do either.

The real problem isn't Wade so much as whoever it is at the small forward being unable to hit 3's. If you're like me, you had a huge sigh of relief when we properly moved the ball late in the game last night, it swung to Deng in the corner, and instead of stupidly taking a couple of dribbles and turning it over, he actually took the open shot and made it. If that could be a regular thing, people would stop trying so hard to point to Wade as the potential problem (and it would help lineups with Whiteside as well since he can't hit 3's either).

Basically, my opinion is Goran and Chris are both nice complimentary guys. But an offense centered around them, where everyone else is a shooting role player? That screams mediocrity to me, with no chance at ever going anywhere. Wade and Whiteside make the fit slightly more awkward, but you need that sort of talent to beat teams that are frankly going to out talent us otherwise in the playoffs. Its all about the fifth player bringing shooting to the table, or perhaps like Justise has lately, everything but shooting (his cutting game has been amazing the last 6 or so games).

Wade's net offensive rating right now is -4.8. That's not good obviously, but Deng is at -7.8. And its no coincidence that Deng starts games with Wade and gets a majority of his minutes with Wade (since he isn't a creator himself). Imo Deng is the one sinking our potential, not Wade, but the blame is being shifted to Dwyane.

(btw, Amare and UD are -6.4 and -4.0 respectively, and I'm almost certain neither of those guys plays more than a minute or two without Wade, since Dwyane is the only one who can set them up for baskets. Just more food for thought on why Wade's +/- is so low)
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Post#307 » by Tim_Hardawayy » Thu Feb 4, 2016 4:17 pm

twix2500 wrote:Yes it sure can, one complementary piece can make a big difference. We witness it here with Battier sub for Joel Anthony. Piston became dominate when they added Rasheed Wallace next to Ben Wallace. How important Eric Snow was to Iverson. We have to find that player or players.



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I also agree with this, the missing piece for us right now is a small forward that can knock down 3's consistently. Green cannot do it consistently, Deng is a poor shooter and doesn't want to do it, and Justise doesn't have that type of ability yet. I'm kind of hoping we can somehow deal Deng for someone, but how that works I don't know, maybe absorb a contract someone wants to get rid of and pick up a young guy?

Our trade chips are basically Deng and McRoberts, anything else we have would either be untradeable, or generate no interest from other teams, and even those two have mediocre value (Deng is an expiring, McBob is a decent player who is just too injury prone).
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Post#308 » by jereseja » Thu Feb 4, 2016 4:21 pm

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“I’m not even paying attention to those people who say, ‘Oh, he used to average 20,’” said Dragic, who averaged 20.3 in 2013-14 with Phoenix and 16.3 last season. “You know, they don’t know a lot about basketball. This is a team sport.

“We’ve got two All-Star players in D. Wade and Chris Bosh. We’ve got Hassan (Whiteside). We have so many guys that can score, and I’m a point guard. I cannot take 18 or 20 shots every game. I need to involve everybody. Some games I’m gonna score 20 and some games less, but that’s fine with me.”

“Yeah, absolutely,” he said. “And every game’s gonna be different. One game they were double-teaming D. Wade on the pick-and-roll and he said, ‘OK, G, I’m gonna pass it to you more and you’ve gotta be aggressive as a scorer.’ It’s just each game’s situation and who has the best matchup.”
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Post#309 » by gom » Thu Feb 4, 2016 4:54 pm

I think we might see a few minor deals:

1. Birdman & Stokes (or our "2017 [31-40] / 2018 [41-60]" second, or both) to a team with cap space as a salary dump. (Together Birdman & Stokes make $5,845,059 and we are $5,569,303 over the tax line - so that's a win for Micky.) I don't think they will dump Stretch McRoberts, because his market is dead. McRoberts still has time to pick up his game, but he better hurry.

2. After clearing a roster space, Miami also might make a play on a buy out/exiled candidate at veteran's minimum: Joe Johnson, David Lee (I know...)

I really think that's it for this year. Status quo may not be acceptable to many fans, but the team doesn't see the situation as status quo at all. They see Dragic-Bosh-Deng-Wade getting better and better. They perceive Whiteside and Winslow improving. With TJ out, Richardson should get more chances too. I know it doesn't sound like much, but after beating Chicago, Atlanta, and Dallas in the space of a week, it's hard to argue that we aren't competitive.

If you listen to the players' comments this is obvious. They think they are good enough. Bosh, Dragic, and Wade have said very encouraging things all along. It's a matter of building team chemistry.
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Post#310 » by jereseja » Thu Feb 4, 2016 4:56 pm

Cmon QUIZ dont be so down with your self.Wade dont going anywhere and is right thing for him and Heat.If Spo would be better offensive coach he will maximize tools of players he have in the summer but better late then never.Things are going in right direction after Chicago trening session and Whiteside yesterday was better with spacing and passing to so we will see if its enough time for these season.For wining against average team they have enough with great diffence but for better teams they need 3 point shooter and Riley see these so just wait and enjoy the season becouse i am.
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Post#311 » by Tim_Hardawayy » Thu Feb 4, 2016 5:02 pm

I also think there's potential for improvement, but a lot of it has to come from Deng both accepting a role as a spot-up shooter more willingly, and making those shots. I think he can accept that role, but I don't think he'll ever hit them at a high enough rate for us to be elite.

Btw, Goran's best season to date? Came next to Eric Bledsoe, a guy some might compare at least in terms of play style to Wade himself. So no, Wade isn't holding Goran back, Goran is doing just what is needed to make things run smoothly, not to mention he himself was pretty mediocre to start the season which brings his overall numbers down a bit.
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Post#312 » by QUIZ » Thu Feb 4, 2016 5:32 pm

I get it guys I'm just saying what do we do with our cap space?

Commit it all to resigning Wade and Whiteside or do we use it to find pieces the compliment that guys we invested $200mill in?
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Post#313 » by QUIZ » Thu Feb 4, 2016 5:36 pm

Tim_Hardawayy wrote:
QUIZ wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/jonathantjarks/status/695248154782904321[/tweet]

My own observation, out of our 4 man core of Wade, Bosh, Whiteside, and Dragic.

Bosh and Dragic seem to fit together and have positive net ratings when sharing the floor... Wade and Whiteside on the other hand...

Tough decisions ahead.

Replace Wade, Deng, and Whiteside with Ryan Anderson, Ariza, and JJ Redick.

How much better would we be as a team?

The question you have to ask yourself, is the duo of Bosh and Goran good enough to build around.

The front offices thinks so considering the fact that those two are the only guys with long term big money deals while Wade and Hassan are in contract years.

I think it's pretty clear who we're commited to and who we're not.


Interesting article, but its no coincidence of the timing of it, coming right after a mediocre performance from Wade.

The issue is that yes, Wade's not an ideal fit in today's NBA with his lack of 3-point shot, but he's the only guy out of the 5 we have who can consistently get us into our offense AND be a bail-out option against good defense. Goran can do the former, not the latter, Bosh can do the latter but not the former, and none of the other guys can do either.

The real problem isn't Wade so much as whoever it is at the small forward being unable to hit 3's. If you're like me, you had a huge sigh of relief when we properly moved the ball late in the game last night, it swung to Deng in the corner, and instead of stupidly taking a couple of dribbles and turning it over, he actually took the open shot and made it. If that could be a regular thing, people would stop trying so hard to point to Wade as the potential problem (and it would help lineups with Whiteside as well since he can't hit 3's either).

Basically, my opinion is Goran and Chris are both nice complimentary guys. But an offense centered around them, where everyone else is a shooting role player? That screams mediocrity to me, with no chance at ever going anywhere. Wade and Whiteside make the fit slightly more awkward, but you need that sort of talent to beat teams that are frankly going to out talent us otherwise in the playoffs. Its all about the fifth player bringing shooting to the table, or perhaps like Justise has lately, everything but shooting (his cutting game has been amazing the last 6 or so games).

Wade's net offensive rating right now is -4.8. That's not good obviously, but Deng is at -7.8. And its no coincidence that Deng starts games with Wade and gets a majority of his minutes with Wade (since he isn't a creator himself). Imo Deng is the one sinking our potential, not Wade, but the blame is being shifted to Dwyane.

(btw, Amare and UD are -6.4 and -4.0 respectively, and I'm almost certain neither of those guys plays more than a minute or two without Wade, since Dwyane is the only one who can set them up for baskets. Just more food for thought on why Wade's +/- is so low)

That's shows our bigger problem. Wade's 34, if Bosh + Goran aren't good enough to build around what do we do other than hope we hit it big in 2017 free agency.

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Post#314 » by jereseja » Thu Feb 4, 2016 5:47 pm

QUIZ wrote:
Tim_Hardawayy wrote:
QUIZ wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/jonathantjarks/status/695248154782904321[/tweet]

My own observation, out of our 4 man core of Wade, Bosh, Whiteside, and Dragic.

Bosh and Dragic seem to fit together and have positive net ratings when sharing the floor... Wade and Whiteside on the other hand...

Tough decisions ahead.

Replace Wade, Deng, and Whiteside with Ryan Anderson, Ariza, and JJ Redick.

How much better would we be as a team?

The question you have to ask yourself, is the duo of Bosh and Goran good enough to build around.

The front offices thinks so considering the fact that those two are the only guys with long term big money deals while Wade and Hassan are in contract years.

I think it's pretty clear who we're commited to and who we're not.


Interesting article, but its no coincidence of the timing of it, coming right after a mediocre performance from Wade.

The issue is that yes, Wade's not an ideal fit in today's NBA with his lack of 3-point shot, but he's the only guy out of the 5 we have who can consistently get us into our offense AND be a bail-out option against good defense. Goran can do the former, not the latter, Bosh can do the latter but not the former, and none of the other guys can do either.

The real problem isn't Wade so much as whoever it is at the small forward being unable to hit 3's. If you're like me, you had a huge sigh of relief when we properly moved the ball late in the game last night, it swung to Deng in the corner, and instead of stupidly taking a couple of dribbles and turning it over, he actually took the open shot and made it. If that could be a regular thing, people would stop trying so hard to point to Wade as the potential problem (and it would help lineups with Whiteside as well since he can't hit 3's either).

Basically, my opinion is Goran and Chris are both nice complimentary guys. But an offense centered around them, where everyone else is a shooting role player? That screams mediocrity to me, with no chance at ever going anywhere. Wade and Whiteside make the fit slightly more awkward, but you need that sort of talent to beat teams that are frankly going to out talent us otherwise in the playoffs. Its all about the fifth player bringing shooting to the table, or perhaps like Justise has lately, everything but shooting (his cutting game has been amazing the last 6 or so games).

Wade's net offensive rating right now is -4.8. That's not good obviously, but Deng is at -7.8. And its no coincidence that Deng starts games with Wade and gets a majority of his minutes with Wade (since he isn't a creator himself). Imo Deng is the one sinking our potential, not Wade, but the blame is being shifted to Dwyane.

(btw, Amare and UD are -6.4 and -4.0 respectively, and I'm almost certain neither of those guys plays more than a minute or two without Wade, since Dwyane is the only one who can set them up for baskets. Just more food for thought on why Wade's +/- is so low)

That's shows our bigger problem. Wade's 34, if Bosh + Goran aren't good enough to build around what do we do other than hope we hit it big in 2017 free agency.

We can't keep building a team dependent on Wade forever.

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Post#315 » by DWadeno3 » Thu Feb 4, 2016 5:52 pm

QUIZ wrote:
Tim_Hardawayy wrote:
QUIZ wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/jonathantjarks/status/695248154782904321[/tweet]

My own observation, out of our 4 man core of Wade, Bosh, Whiteside, and Dragic.

Bosh and Dragic seem to fit together and have positive net ratings when sharing the floor... Wade and Whiteside on the other hand...

Tough decisions ahead.

Replace Wade, Deng, and Whiteside with Ryan Anderson, Ariza, and JJ Redick.

How much better would we be as a team?

The question you have to ask yourself, is the duo of Bosh and Goran good enough to build around.

The front offices thinks so considering the fact that those two are the only guys with long term big money deals while Wade and Hassan are in contract years.

I think it's pretty clear who we're commited to and who we're not.


Interesting article, but its no coincidence of the timing of it, coming right after a mediocre performance from Wade.

The issue is that yes, Wade's not an ideal fit in today's NBA with his lack of 3-point shot, but he's the only guy out of the 5 we have who can consistently get us into our offense AND be a bail-out option against good defense. Goran can do the former, not the latter, Bosh can do the latter but not the former, and none of the other guys can do either.

The real problem isn't Wade so much as whoever it is at the small forward being unable to hit 3's. If you're like me, you had a huge sigh of relief when we properly moved the ball late in the game last night, it swung to Deng in the corner, and instead of stupidly taking a couple of dribbles and turning it over, he actually took the open shot and made it. If that could be a regular thing, people would stop trying so hard to point to Wade as the potential problem (and it would help lineups with Whiteside as well since he can't hit 3's either).

Basically, my opinion is Goran and Chris are both nice complimentary guys. But an offense centered around them, where everyone else is a shooting role player? That screams mediocrity to me, with no chance at ever going anywhere. Wade and Whiteside make the fit slightly more awkward, but you need that sort of talent to beat teams that are frankly going to out talent us otherwise in the playoffs. Its all about the fifth player bringing shooting to the table, or perhaps like Justise has lately, everything but shooting (his cutting game has been amazing the last 6 or so games).

Wade's net offensive rating right now is -4.8. That's not good obviously, but Deng is at -7.8. And its no coincidence that Deng starts games with Wade and gets a majority of his minutes with Wade (since he isn't a creator himself). Imo Deng is the one sinking our potential, not Wade, but the blame is being shifted to Dwyane.

(btw, Amare and UD are -6.4 and -4.0 respectively, and I'm almost certain neither of those guys plays more than a minute or two without Wade, since Dwyane is the only one who can set them up for baskets. Just more food for thought on why Wade's +/- is so low)

That's shows our bigger problem. Wade's 34, if Bosh + Goran aren't good enough to build around what do we do other than hope we hit it big in 2017 free agency.

We can't keep building a team dependent on Wade forever.


TH's post nails it and to answer your question: The next few years will be interesting to say the least. As TH stated, Bosh and Goran is a duo that is not good enough to be your core for a championship level team. Wade still has enough qualities, but age and injuries (despite his incredible durability so far) are catching up to him. As TH has already stated (and as I said a while ago), adding a shooter at the three could work wonders for our offensive efficiency and consistency. We have so much good to great talent on this team (Wade, Bosh, Dragic and Whiteside are all All-Star caliber players) that we don't necessarily need a superstar to win it all.

Hence my suggestion would be to obviously try to attract those superstars a la Durant, which are long-shots and if they aren't available, roll with our core and just tweak the supporting players a bit.

EDIT: In the mid- to longterm, we're gonna groom Winslow and Whiteside for the time when Wade is retiring or declining further and hence should have a smooth transition. Winslow falling to us could be a real blessing as he's the type of versatile perimeter player that, if he develops accordingly, is part of the foundation of a championship team. The improvements that have been seen in the past couple of months in regards to his shooting but particularly his cutting and his dribble penetration have given me enough confidence to believe that he can be an All-Star caliber perimeter player in this league.
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Post#316 » by gom » Thu Feb 4, 2016 5:58 pm

QUIZ wrote:I get it guys I'm just saying what do we do with our cap space?

Commit it all to resigning Wade and Whiteside or do we use it to find pieces the compliment that guys we invested $200mill in?


This seems the wrong place to comment on this when we have an offseason thread, but here's my suggestion:

For Wade: 3/45 ($13,929,193, $14,973,882, $16,096,924: ∑ = $44,999,999)

He will start off making less than his worth, but at 37, $16M he will come out ahead. I think Riley can sell this.

I don't know if we can keep Hassan unless we pay him the max. I don't like any of the available free agents outside of Durant (who should renew in OKC for 1 year with a player's option for year 2, where he can join the 2017 free agency class and make $10M more a year). Horford is good, but Bosh/Whiteside is better than Horford/Bosh (especially on the defense).

The math is pretty easy. If you add Wade (even at the discounted rate above) and Horford's 25M, you are at 39M. Here are our 2016 salaries:

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/miami-heat/cap/2016/

Without cap holds (even TJ's which is an important one to keep) we can just scrape 39M.

This tells me that we can't afford Horford at a max salary. Does anyone doubt that Horford will get a max? Horford does not share your doubt. That's why he is playing the free agent game.

I would sign Wade to the deal above (if he can be convinced to finish his career here - which I expect) and then Whiteside to the max (try to get a discount if possible - he might bite). At 21M his contract is cheap compared to what is available. That way we can also keep TJ. We'd have:

Bosh
Dragic
TJ's cap hold (he can be resigned above cap once it is gone, because we have his early bird rights)
Wade
Whiteside
Stretch McBob
Winslow

We'd still have a small amount of cap (3M or so) to go after a cheap free agent. We could, for example, resign Green, or make a run at someone who could hit a 3.

Then we add veterans and young players to complete the roster.

By the way, I'd prefer to keep Richardson & Stokes to complete the bench and even if we give up their cap hold, we can retain their bird rights if we resign them next year (though it's not to their advantage, so...) I know some of you hate Stokes for some irrational reason, but he is young and considered good enough to be in the d-league all star game.

One player at Sioux Falls that we should be paying attention to is Briante Weber. If we get a roster space, I am in favor of signing him to help replace TJ's absence.

That's about it for now. I don't have access to all my laborious calculations at the moment, but I've posted everything ad nauseum in the other thread.
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Re: Official HEAT 2015-16 Regular Season Thread - Vol. II 

Post#317 » by twix2500 » Thu Feb 4, 2016 5:59 pm

If the Heat do not get Durant this summer I think they will immediately direct their attention to westbrook.

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Post#318 » by QUIZ » Thu Feb 4, 2016 6:14 pm

twix2500 wrote:If the Heat do not get Durant this summer I think they will immediately direct their attention to westbrook.

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Post#319 » by twix2500 » Thu Feb 4, 2016 6:15 pm

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QUIZ wrote:I get it guys I'm just saying what do we do with our cap space?

Commit it all to resigning Wade and Whiteside or do we use it to find pieces the compliment that guys we invested $200mill in?


This seems the wrong place to comment on this when we have an offseason thread, but here's my suggestion:

For Wade: 3/45 ($13,929,193, $14,973,882, $16,096,924: ∑ = $44,999,999)

He will start off making less than his worth, but at 37, $16M he will come out ahead. I think Riley can sell this.

I don't know if we can keep Hassan unless we pay him the max. I don't like any of the available free agents outside of Durant (who should renew in OKC for 1 year with a player's option for year 2, where he can join the 2017 free agency class and make $10M more a year). Horford is good, but Bosh/Whiteside is better than Horford/Bosh (especially on the defense).

The math is pretty easy. If you add Wade (even at the discounted rate above) and Horford's 25M, you are at 39M. Here are our 2016 salaries:

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/miami-heat/cap/2016/

Without cap holds (even TJ's which is an important one to keep) we can just scrape 39M.

This tells me that we can't afford Horford at a max salary. Does anyone doubt that Horford will get a max? Horford does not share your doubt. That's why he is playing the free agent game.

I would sign Wade to the deal above (if he can be convinced to finish his career here - which I expect) and then Whiteside to the max (try to get a discount if possible - he might bite). At 21M his contract is cheap compared to what is available. That way we can also keep TJ. We'd have:

Bosh
Dragic
TJ's cap hold (he can be resigned above cap once it is gone, because we have his early bird rights)
Wade
Whiteside
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Winslow

We'd still have a small amount of cap (3M or so) to go after a cheap free agent. We could, for example, resign Green, or make a run at someone who could hit a 3.

Then we add veterans and young players to complete the roster.

By the way, I'd prefer to keep Richardson & Stokes to complete the bench and even if we give up their cap hold, we can retain their bird rights if we resign them next year (though it's not to their advantage, so...) I know some of you hate Stokes for some irrational reason, but he is young and considered good enough to be in the d-league all star game.

One player at Sioux Falls that we should be paying attention to is Briante Weber. If we get a roster space, I am in favor of signing him to help replace TJ's absence.

That's about it for now. I don't have access to all my laborious calculations at the moment, but I've posted everything ad nauseum in the other thread.

I don't think we will have to pay Whiteside the Max unless Lakers offer him the Max. It may be between 15-17 mill, something similar to Goran. Whiteside is not a max player. If we do sign him for that much the whole team needs to be remodeled. If Durant signs elsewhere, Wade may like want to do another 1 yr 20 mill deal, maybe giving TJ what's left over. It's important for the Heat to decide what they have in Richardson.

If it takes the Max for Whiteside to return I can see the Heat letting him go. And turning their attention to someone like Noah.

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Re: Official HEAT 2015-16 Regular Season Thread - Vol. II 

Post#320 » by QUIZ » Thu Feb 4, 2016 6:19 pm

Being able to attain Whiteside for 4 year $70mill would be huge. It all depends on how many teams are going to be willing to commit 4 years of max money to him.

With that said DeAndre Jordan got 4 year $88mill last year which is similar to Hassan's max. Based on talent alone I don't see why he couldn't get the same.

Unless teams are concerned that he'd get fat and lazy after getting paid.

Even then though with everybody having money I feel like someone will go all in on him.
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