Official HEAT 2015-16 Regular Season Thread - Vol. II

[gom]

Even then though with everybody having money I feel like someone will go all in on him.

Plus the cap jumps again by $19M to $108M the year after. Money will be flowing.

Whiteside definitely likes his teammates and being a part of the Heat. It's obvious from his dialog, so we will have an inside track. A 4/$70M contract is crazy optimistic when you consider that DeAndre Jordan's 4/$88M was signed with a $70M cap and now the cap will be almost $90M. Still I think we can hope that Pat gets a discount. Here are the values if he takes 90% of what I think he can get from LA/Dallas/etc:

$18,861,276
$19,710,034
$20,596,985
$21,523,850

∑ = $80,692,145

I used only 4.5% raises instead of 7.5% raises to reduce the impact of his salary on future years.

Even if we do get this deal (a very good one) and sign Wade for the reduced 3/$45M rate (which is also very difficult), we will still have less than $6M in cap space for free agents. If we stretch McBob, we'll get 3.5M more. It's still not much.

$52,993,403.00 (Dragic/McRob/Wins/TJ cap/Bosh plus 7 minimums, all exceptions waived. Only cap hold kept is TJ's 1M bargain)
$36,006,597.00 (maximum cap available before signing Wade & Whiteside)

$53,761,528.00 (if we also keep Josh RIchardson & Jarnell Stokes)
$35,238,472.00 (cap space we will probably have)

[QUIZ]

That does sound more reasonable.

[twix2500]

Moving McBob may give the Heat give 45 mill to work with. No Durant do the Heat max it's cap forgoing. I don't think so.

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[gom]

Moving McBob may give the Heat give 45 mill to work with. No Durant do the Heat max it's cap forgoing. I don't think so.

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Can you show me how you arrive at that calculation? Here are my numbers for the No McRoberts/Wade/Whiteside case:

$47,754,424.00 (salary of Dragic/Winslow/TJ cap hold/Bosh + 8 minimum contract space holders)
$41,245,576.00 (maximum cap space available without McRoberts)

Tyler Johnson's cap hold is $1,180,431 and is our lock for signing him above cap after it's spent.

Bosh+Dragic+Winslow+TJ cap hold is $43,406,656. You have to allocate minimum contracts up to 12 players or have cap holds for them.

A cap hold called an "incomplete roster charge" if the team has fewer than 12 players (players under contract, free agents included in team salary, players given offer sheets, and first round draft picks). This charge is equal to the rookie minimum salary for each player fewer than 12. For example, if there are 11 players included in team salary, then an amount equal to the rookie minimum salary is added to the team salary4; if the roster is completely empty, then 12 times the rookie minimum salary is added to the team salary. This charge only applies during the offseason.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q14

This is my best case scenario (if we get the players to agree to the contracts I stipulated above & later in this message):

THIS IS THE NO MCROBERTS/STOKES/RICHARDSON/DENG case:



The $12,802,875 is the money to sign free agents *before* you sign with veteran minimum exceptions. You might be able to sign Deng and Green, or maybe Casspi, Thornton... Not Batum or Anderson, in my opinion.

Note that Richardson & Stokes are actually on bargain contracts so I dispute the wisdom of reneging on them. I know few see Stokes's value, but I think he's good enough for a bench player.

Note for everyone signed in the $12,802,875 cap space, add $543,471 to the total after you subtract their salary (for the hold).

After spending cap, you will have veteran minimum contracts and you can resign Tyler Johnson above cap. If he signs a 4/24 deal for example, you will spend some of the salary cap difference from next year (it goes up by $19M dollars to $108M).

Working values for Whiteside's contract in the above calculation:

$18,861,276
$19,710,034
$20,596,985
$21,523,850

∑ = $80,692,145

Working values for Wade's contract in the above calculation:

For Wade: 3/45 ($13,929,193, $14,973,882, $16,096,924: ∑ = $44,999,999)

RexBoyWonder suggested a while back stretching Wade's contract 4 years:

$10,060,538
$10,815,078
$11,626,209
$12,498,175

$45,000,000

This adds $3.3M to our cap space. That might be enough. Wade would play half of that last year at $38M. He will still want the ball.

I guess this illustrates the importance of moving McRoberts, if we are to have any flexibility at all in the off season. It's not about whether we can sign Whiteside or Wade. Riley will get that done if he wants it done. The problem is what to do when he finishes.

McRoberts is a big problem. It would be nice if he hits some 3s, maybe go 3/12 and double that average.

[Bourne85]

Im in the dump with this team right now. It has some to do with what GS has. I don't see any possible way we can compete with them. Lets face it, they are gonna be around for 5-6 years barring any catastrophic injury to Curry (like Rose). So we need to BUILD a TEAM that can COMPETE with them for the next 5-6 years. This is exactly what happened when we had Bron Wade Bosh. Teams needed to think about US before they made any moves. If it benefited them in a series vs the Heat or not.

So as Quiz said. What to do with our cap space? As we all know im a huge Hassan fan. But, there is simply NO WAY he can keep up with Draymond Green. He is too quick and too skilled. Can knock down the 3 ball. Lets face it, Bosh is gonna have to be our Center. We WILL have to build a small ball team if we are serious about competing.

Sadly, I feel we SHOULD let Hassan Walk. Golden State has LITERALLY changed the way teams need to build there teams until Curry and Klay and Greens run is over. For NOW, it is SMALL BALL or get EMBARRASED. And im gonna hate it, I love Hassan. But as long as Curry and the Warriors are around, Whiteside would be useless in a series vs them. I can Imagine Curry Draymond PNR leaving Hassan to Cover Curry

Its not about stats, if we are better with him or not. Its not about if he is good enough or not (he is) its all about GS. That roster they have is built to trash traditional lineups. Hassan go get your money and fame. Bosh needs to be the Center.

Dragic
Wade
_____/Justise
_____
BOSH

Brings me to my next point and that is Wade. I want him back, he is The Heat. His contract however absolutely needs to be team friendly. And possibly accept a 6th man role.

We need deadly 3 ball shooters if we are to stand any chance going forward.

Who do we sign? IDK, 2016 FA list is ass. But I do know, Hassan at 20mil 4 years.....is not smart. Not when that team is waiting for you in the finals.

Also, signing Whiteside and Wade again pretty much ends our Offseason, same team as last year. Still probably cant beat Cavs, definitely cant beat Warriors.

Riley has his work cut out for him.

Deng, Mcbob, Haslem, Birdman, Amare all gotta go. That much im certain of.

[Bishop45]

Spoiler:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/jonathantjarks/status/695248154782904321[/tweet]

My own observation, out of our 4 man core of Wade, Bosh, Whiteside, and Dragic.

Bosh and Dragic seem to fit together and have positive net ratings when sharing the floor... Wade and Whiteside on the other hand...

Tough decisions ahead.

Replace Wade, Deng, and Whiteside with Ryan Anderson, Ariza, and JJ Redick.

How much better would we be as a team?

The question you have to ask yourself, is the duo of Bosh and Goran good enough to build around.

The front offices thinks so considering the fact that those two are the only guys with long term big money deals while Wade and Hassan are in contract years.

I think it's pretty clear who we're commited to and who we're not.

Interesting article, but its no coincidence of the timing of it, coming right after a mediocre performance from Wade.

The issue is that yes, Wade's not an ideal fit in today's NBA with his lack of 3-point shot, but he's the only guy out of the 5 we have who can consistently get us into our offense AND be a bail-out option against good defense. Goran can do the former, not the latter, Bosh can do the latter but not the former, and none of the other guys can do either.

The real problem isn't Wade so much as whoever it is at the small forward being unable to hit 3's. If you're like me, you had a huge sigh of relief when we properly moved the ball late in the game last night, it swung to Deng in the corner, and instead of stupidly taking a couple of dribbles and turning it over, he actually took the open shot and made it. If that could be a regular thing, people would stop trying so hard to point to Wade as the potential problem (and it would help lineups with Whiteside as well since he can't hit 3's either).

Basically, my opinion is Goran and Chris are both nice complimentary guys. But an offense centered around them, where everyone else is a shooting role player? That screams mediocrity to me, with no chance at ever going anywhere. Wade and Whiteside make the fit slightly more awkward, but you need that sort of talent to beat teams that are frankly going to out talent us otherwise in the playoffs. Its all about the fifth player bringing shooting to the table, or perhaps like Justise has lately, everything but shooting (his cutting game has been amazing the last 6 or so games).

Wade's net offensive rating right now is -4.8. That's not good obviously, but Deng is at -7.8. And its no coincidence that Deng starts games with Wade and gets a majority of his minutes with Wade (since he isn't a creator himself). Imo Deng is the one sinking our potential, not Wade, but the blame is being shifted to Dwyane.

(btw, Amare and UD are -6.4 and -4.0 respectively, and I'm almost certain neither of those guys plays more than a minute or two without Wade, since Dwyane is the only one who can set them up for baskets. Just more food for thought on why Wade's +/- is so low)

Core problem here is that Wade can't be the only one who can consistently create his own shot, we can't win like that in just about any era. Fit is an issue but moreso when it's this polarizing. We're not a good 3 point shooting team, we will never be(this core)... we need to base fit around our 2 most dominant scorer's(not better but dominant) and get someone who can create better shots for Wade/Whiteside + keep everyone else involved.

Our 3's are so much of a sore point because we don't have guys that can shoot it in a high volume, yet time and time again we have to depend on it to bail us out. That's a major difference between us and other teams. We're forced to shoot those shots, they use it as leverage. We need guys that can create their own shot and add that variability and unpredictability to our offense

[QUIZ]

Im in the dump with this team right now. It has some to do with what GS has. I don't see any possible way we can compete with them. Lets face it, they are gonna be around for 5-6 years barring any catastrophic injury to Curry (like Rose). So we need to BUILD a TEAM that can COMPETE with them for the next 5-6 years. This is exactly what happened when we had Bron Wade Bosh. Teams needed to think about US before they made any moves. If it benefited them in a series vs the Heat or not.

So as Quiz said. What to do with our cap space? As we all know im a huge Hassan fan. But, there is simply NO WAY he can keep up with Draymond Green. He is too quick and too skilled. Can knock down the 3 ball. Lets face it, Bosh is gonna have to be our Center. We WILL have to build a small ball team if we are serious about competing.

Sadly, I feel we SHOULD let Hassan Walk. Golden State has LITERALLY changed the way teams need to build there teams until Curry and Klay and Greens run is over. For NOW, it is SMALL BALL or get EMBARRASED. And im gonna hate it, I love Hassan. But as long as Curry and the Warriors are around, Whiteside would be useless in a series vs them. I can Imagine Curry Draymond PNR leaving Hassan to Cover Curry

Its not about stats, if we are better with him or not. Its not about if he is good enough or not (he is) its all about GS. That roster they have is built to trash traditional lineups. Hassan go get your money and fame. Bosh needs to be the Center.

Dragic
Wade
_____/Justise
_____
BOSH

Brings me to my next point and that is Wade. I want him back, he is The Heat. His contract however absolutely needs to be team friendly. And possibly accept a 6th man role.

We need deadly 3 ball shooters if we are to stand any chance going forward.

Who do we sign? IDK, 2016 FA list is ass. But I do know, Hassan at 20mil 4 years.....is not smart. Not when that team is waiting for you in the finals.

Also, signing Whiteside and Wade again pretty much ends our Offseason, same team as last year. Still probably cant beat Cavs, definitely cant beat Warriors.

Riley has his work cut out for him.

Deng, Mcbob, Haslem, Birdman, Amare all gotta go. That much im certain of.

The Warriors are in the west, unless we both make the finals we'll only face each other twice a year.

As of right now they aren't our concern. LeBron is what we as well as all other East teams should be concerned with.

Getting past him is a huge accomplishment in and of it self. I couldn't care less about losing to the Warriors in the finals, if we can beat the Cavs in a 7 game series... I'll be more than content, at least for this season.

[Bourne85]

It would be a mistake to not worry about the Warrirors when building the team. We weren't as dominant as they are during our big 3 era and yet we were in the finals 4 years in a row.

I believe they will be in the finals atleast that many times in a row possibly 5 or 6.

If the goal is to beat the Cavs and that's it. Then sure resign Hassan and Wade. Hell I think as currently constructed we Woud give them a heck of a series.

But if the goal is to win a title. Hassan can't be here.

[gom]

It would be a mistake to not worry about the Warrirors when building the team. We weren't as dominant as they are during our big 3 era and yet we were in the finals 4 years in a row.

I believe they will be in the finals atleast that many times in a row possibly 5 or 6.

If the goal is to beat the Cavs and that's it. Then sure resign Hassan and Wade. Hell I think as currently constructed we Woud give them a heck of a series.

But if the goal is to win a title. Hassan can't be here.

Bourne85, things change fast in the NBA. Curry is a free agent in 2017.

Think about this, though... We made Golden State play our game for a good part of our last match. We cannot beat any of these teams that run the court and shoot 3s if we try to match *their* game, but if we get them to play ours, we are not pushovers. Houston beat us by running the floor and shooting 3s and we were predictably slower and worse, but we can slow the Hawks and Mavs down and vulnerabilities appear.

That being said, I don't have championship goals at the moment. I just want to see us be competitive. Knocking out the Cavs would be really good.

I'm actually looking forward to seeing how we play against the Spurs, which is a team that -- if the stars align -- we could face in a finals. They are a grinding team much like our own. If we can win against them, I will consider us to be vastly improved.

[RexBoyWonder]

Im in the dump with this team right now. It has some to do with what GS has. I don't see any possible way we can compete with them. Lets face it, they are gonna be around for 5-6 years barring any catastrophic injury to Curry (like Rose). So we need to BUILD a TEAM that can COMPETE with them for the next 5-6 years. This is exactly what happened when we had Bron Wade Bosh. Teams needed to think about US before they made any moves. If it benefited them in a series vs the Heat or not.

So as Quiz said. What to do with our cap space? As we all know im a huge Hassan fan. But, there is simply NO WAY he can keep up with Draymond Green. He is too quick and too skilled. Can knock down the 3 ball. Lets face it, Bosh is gonna have to be our Center. We WILL have to build a small ball team if we are serious about competing.

Sadly, I feel we SHOULD let Hassan Walk. Golden State has LITERALLY changed the way teams need to build there teams until Curry and Klay and Greens run is over. For NOW, it is SMALL BALL or get EMBARRASED. And im gonna hate it, I love Hassan. But as long as Curry and the Warriors are around, Whiteside would be useless in a series vs them. I can Imagine Curry Draymond PNR leaving Hassan to Cover Curry

Its not about stats, if we are better with him or not. Its not about if he is good enough or not (he is) its all about GS. That roster they have is built to trash traditional lineups. Hassan go get your money and fame. Bosh needs to be the Center.

Dragic
Wade
_____/Justise
_____
BOSH

Brings me to my next point and that is Wade. I want him back, he is The Heat. His contract however absolutely needs to be team friendly. And possibly accept a 6th man role.

We need deadly 3 ball shooters if we are to stand any chance going forward.

Who do we sign? IDK, 2016 FA list is ass. But I do know, Hassan at 20mil 4 years.....is not smart. Not when that team is waiting for you in the finals.

Also, signing Whiteside and Wade again pretty much ends our Offseason, same team as last year. Still probably cant beat Cavs, definitely cant beat Warriors.

Riley has his work cut out for him.

Deng, Mcbob, Haslem, Birdman, Amare all gotta go. That much im certain of.

Totally disagree with this line of thinking.

The NBA is too dynamic to assume ANY team will rule for years. Like you said yourself, Curry can go down at any moment. So can Green. Barnes might walk this summer. Iggy getting older. Spurs might upset them in the playoffs.

ALOT OF **** CAN HAPPEN. They're not even in our conference, we might not meet them for a bunch of reasons. Even if we do, getting to the finals is a worthy achievement in it's on right.

The basic point is - you build the best team WE can built. That means keeping Hassan and Wade, and adding the best shooting we can. We have some young guys with real growth potential in TJ, Winslow, Hassan and J-rich. Bosh's game will age beautifully.

You have to be optimistic in the league. You can't just look at the best team and go "well we can never beat them". You never know what the future holds, we need to worry about ourselves and gets the most our potential. we're no doing that yet.

It takes a ton of luck/health to win big in the NBA. GSW have had a lot of that last few years. We need to be as strong as possible so when we catch a lucky break, we'll be ready to capitalize.

[RexBoyWonder]

Im in the dump with this team right now. It has some to do with what GS has. I don't see any possible way we can compete with them. Lets face it, they are gonna be around for 5-6 years barring any catastrophic injury to Curry (like Rose). So we need to BUILD a TEAM that can COMPETE with them for the next 5-6 years. This is exactly what happened when we had Bron Wade Bosh. Teams needed to think about US before they made any moves. If it benefited them in a series vs the Heat or not.

So as Quiz said. What to do with our cap space? As we all know im a huge Hassan fan. But, there is simply NO WAY he can keep up with Draymond Green. He is too quick and too skilled. Can knock down the 3 ball. Lets face it, Bosh is gonna have to be our Center. We WILL have to build a small ball team if we are serious about competing.

Sadly, I feel we SHOULD let Hassan Walk. Golden State has LITERALLY changed the way teams need to build there teams until Curry and Klay and Greens run is over. For NOW, it is SMALL BALL or get EMBARRASED. And im gonna hate it, I love Hassan. But as long as Curry and the Warriors are around, Whiteside would be useless in a series vs them. I can Imagine Curry Draymond PNR leaving Hassan to Cover Curry

Its not about stats, if we are better with him or not. Its not about if he is good enough or not (he is) its all about GS. That roster they have is built to trash traditional lineups. Hassan go get your money and fame. Bosh needs to be the Center.

Dragic
Wade
_____/Justise
_____
BOSH

Brings me to my next point and that is Wade. I want him back, he is The Heat. His contract however absolutely needs to be team friendly. And possibly accept a 6th man role.

We need deadly 3 ball shooters if we are to stand any chance going forward.

Who do we sign? IDK, 2016 FA list is ass. But I do know, Hassan at 20mil 4 years.....is not smart. Not when that team is waiting for you in the finals.

Also, signing Whiteside and Wade again pretty much ends our Offseason, same team as last year. Still probably cant beat Cavs, definitely cant beat Warriors.

Riley has his work cut out for him.

Deng, Mcbob, Haslem, Birdman, Amare all gotta go. That much im certain of.

Totally disagree with this line of thinking.

The NBA is too dynamic to assume ANY team will rule for years. Like you said yourself, Curry can go down at any moment. So can Green. Barnes might walk this summer. Iggy getting older. Spurs might upset them in the playoffs.

ALOT OF **** CAN HAPPEN. They're not even in our conference, we might not meet them for a bunch of reasons. Even if we do, getting to the finals is a worthy achievement in it's on right.

The basic point is - you build the best team WE can built. That means keeping Hassan and Wade, and adding the best shooting we can. We have some young guys with real growth potential in TJ, Winslow, Hassan and J-rich. Bosh's game will age beautifully.

You have to be optimistic in the league. You can't just look at the best team and go "well we can never beat them". You never know what the future holds, we need to worry about ourselves and gets the most our potential. we're no doing that yet.

It takes a ton of luck/health to win big in the NBA. GSW have had a lot of that last few years. We need to be as strong as possible so when we catch a lucky break, we'll be ready to capitalize.

To add to this point -

1.Wesley Matthews went undrafted a few years ago. Before he got injured he was a great defender, 40% 3 point shooter on a ton of attempts, and made small change in salary.

You find this kind of gem, and it might be enough to put us over the Cavs. Spurs get rid of GSW, and gives up a big team matchup in the finals where Whiteside make Timmy look old, Bosh shows Aldridge is overrated and Justise shows the gap Between him Kawhi is starting to get smaller. Wade has a healthy stretch and goes vintage for a few games - and we're becoming the underdogs fairytale that win it all.

2. Harden is fed up with Dwight, Rockets have no real players and he wants out. He threatens to walk if not traded Ha-la Dragic.
We offer some **** package combined with a future pick and Rockets are forced to accept. Wades becomes the 6th man of year, Harden starts playing defense and we've got the best front line the in league + top 3 scorer in his prime. We Face The clippers in the Finales after they win a game 7 against an ailing GSW team and get Wade's 4th ring.

3. Danilo Gallinari gets injured again. Denver deiced to go full rebuild and give him up for small change. Pat takes a gamble and Gallo is enjoying the warm wether and great medical staff, has a career year with us averaging 19 PPG on 59TS% and we're destroying the Cavs in ESF after Kyrie goes down to another injury. In the finals we meet an OKC team that went berserk during a crazy playoffs run, but Durant and Westbrook run out of gas, Winslow and Whiteside slow them down and we're a championship team with 5 all-stars.


So, are these scenarios very likely? Honestly no.

Is it totally unrealistic that with some luck one of them or from 10 others we can't even imagine right now comes true? No. It can Happen. You know how I know that?

Spoiler:

Look at these guys. We're not that far away if we believe, click, get some luck and act smart.

[Bishop45]

Luol's past 8 games

14.3/5.4/1.7 46/50/81%

Stat's last 6 games

9.5/8.7/1.3blks 1.0stl 50%FG 90%FT 2 double doubles 22.3minutes

Per, reddit.

[Slot Machine]

This team is nowhere close to a championship. Even if we were, planning to "build around" players who will be 35 and 32 next year is idiotic, especially when you're talking about how you see the Warriors being in the Finals for the next 5 years.

[Slot Machine]

Im in the dump with this team right now. It has some to do with what GS has. I don't see any possible way we can compete with them. Lets face it, they are gonna be around for 5-6 years barring any catastrophic injury to Curry (like Rose). So we need to BUILD a TEAM that can COMPETE with them for the next 5-6 years. This is exactly what happened when we had Bron Wade Bosh. Teams needed to think about US before they made any moves. If it benefited them in a series vs the Heat or not.

So as Quiz said. What to do with our cap space? As we all know im a huge Hassan fan. But, there is simply NO WAY he can keep up with Draymond Green. He is too quick and too skilled. Can knock down the 3 ball. Lets face it, Bosh is gonna have to be our Center. We WILL have to build a small ball team if we are serious about competing.

Sadly, I feel we SHOULD let Hassan Walk. Golden State has LITERALLY changed the way teams need to build there teams until Curry and Klay and Greens run is over. For NOW, it is SMALL BALL or get EMBARRASED. And im gonna hate it, I love Hassan. But as long as Curry and the Warriors are around, Whiteside would be useless in a series vs them. I can Imagine Curry Draymond PNR leaving Hassan to Cover Curry

Its not about stats, if we are better with him or not. Its not about if he is good enough or not (he is) its all about GS. That roster they have is built to trash traditional lineups. Hassan go get your money and fame. Bosh needs to be the Center.

Dragic
Wade
_____/Justise
_____
BOSH

Brings me to my next point and that is Wade. I want him back, he is The Heat. His contract however absolutely needs to be team friendly. And possibly accept a 6th man role.

We need deadly 3 ball shooters if we are to stand any chance going forward.

Who do we sign? IDK, 2016 FA list is ass. But I do know, Hassan at 20mil 4 years.....is not smart. Not when that team is waiting for you in the finals.

Also, signing Whiteside and Wade again pretty much ends our Offseason, same team as last year. Still probably cant beat Cavs, definitely cant beat Warriors.

Riley has his work cut out for him.

Deng, Mcbob, Haslem, Birdman, Amare all gotta go. That much im certain of.

Is it totally unrealistic that with some luck one of them or from 10 others we can't even imagine right now comes true? No. It can Happen. You know how I know that?

Spoiler:

Look at these guys. We're not that far away if we believe, click, get some luck and act smart.

Uhhh, what? The 2006 team was generally considered a top 3 team in the league, at worst. This team is borderline top ten (at best).

[DWadeno3]

Im in the dump with this team right now. It has some to do with what GS has. I don't see any possible way we can compete with them. Lets face it, they are gonna be around for 5-6 years barring any catastrophic injury to Curry (like Rose). So we need to BUILD a TEAM that can COMPETE with them for the next 5-6 years. This is exactly what happened when we had Bron Wade Bosh. Teams needed to think about US before they made any moves. If it benefited them in a series vs the Heat or not.

So as Quiz said. What to do with our cap space? As we all know im a huge Hassan fan. But, there is simply NO WAY he can keep up with Draymond Green. He is too quick and too skilled. Can knock down the 3 ball. Lets face it, Bosh is gonna have to be our Center. We WILL have to build a small ball team if we are serious about competing.

Sadly, I feel we SHOULD let Hassan Walk. Golden State has LITERALLY changed the way teams need to build there teams until Curry and Klay and Greens run is over. For NOW, it is SMALL BALL or get EMBARRASED. And im gonna hate it, I love Hassan. But as long as Curry and the Warriors are around, Whiteside would be useless in a series vs them. I can Imagine Curry Draymond PNR leaving Hassan to Cover Curry

Its not about stats, if we are better with him or not. Its not about if he is good enough or not (he is) its all about GS. That roster they have is built to trash traditional lineups. Hassan go get your money and fame. Bosh needs to be the Center.

Dragic
Wade
_____/Justise
_____
BOSH

Brings me to my next point and that is Wade. I want him back, he is The Heat. His contract however absolutely needs to be team friendly. And possibly accept a 6th man role.

We need deadly 3 ball shooters if we are to stand any chance going forward.

Who do we sign? IDK, 2016 FA list is ass. But I do know, Hassan at 20mil 4 years.....is not smart. Not when that team is waiting for you in the finals.

Also, signing Whiteside and Wade again pretty much ends our Offseason, same team as last year. Still probably cant beat Cavs, definitely cant beat Warriors.

Riley has his work cut out for him.

Deng, Mcbob, Haslem, Birdman, Amare all gotta go. That much im certain of.

Totally disagree with this line of thinking.

The NBA is too dynamic to assume ANY team will rule for years. Like you said yourself, Curry can go down at any moment. So can Green. Barnes might walk this summer. Iggy getting older. Spurs might upset them in the playoffs.

ALOT OF **** CAN HAPPEN. They're not even in our conference, we might not meet them for a bunch of reasons. Even if we do, getting to the finals is a worthy achievement in it's on right.

The basic point is - you build the best team WE can built. That means keeping Hassan and Wade, and adding the best shooting we can. We have some young guys with real growth potential in TJ, Winslow, Hassan and J-rich. Bosh's game will age beautifully.

You have to be optimistic in the league. You can't just look at the best team and go "well we can never beat them". You never know what the future holds, we need to worry about ourselves and gets the most our potential. we're no doing that yet.

It takes a ton of luck/health to win big in the NBA. GSW have had a lot of that last few years. We need to be as strong as possible so when we catch a lucky break, we'll be ready to capitalize.

Plus we may not forget that basketball and particularly the NBA is about matchups and with Hassan in there, we have the opportunity to create oroblems ourselves. If Hassan can correct some of the errors in his basic understanding of the game, we have a weapon that can be a very nice basis for a counter-strategy. The opportunities you have with a long, relatively strong and mobile big are endless.

I also agree that with Winslow, we might have a player on our hands that, regardless of our free agency success, is gonna smoothen the transition. He's still very young and as I've said before, his recent development shows his willingness to work, his ability to develop and the possibilities you have with him as a player.

[RexBoyWonder]

This team is nowhere close to a championship. Even if we were, planning to "build around" players who will be 35 and 32 next year is idiotic, especially when you're talking about how you see the Warriors being in the Finals for the next 5 years.

You do realize Dirk was 32 YO when he led his team to a championship? Bosh doesn't even need to be as dominant as Dirk was for us to have success.

And what's idiotic exactly? To keep Bosh and Wade and add the best complementary talent to the Whiteside/Dragic/Bosh/Wade core?

If that's idiotic, what would you call smart? letting Wade walk, trading Bosh and tank for a top 3 pick?

[Slot Machine]

This team is nowhere close to a championship. Even if we were, planning to "build around" players who will be 35 and 32 next year is idiotic, especially when you're talking about how you see the Warriors being in the Finals for the next 5 years.

You do realize Dirk was 32 YO when he led his team to a championship? Bosh doesn't even need to be as dominant as Dirk was for us to have success.

And what's idiotic exactly? To keep Bosh and Wade and add the best complementary talent to the Whiteside/Dragic/Bosh/Wade core?

If that's idiotic, what would you call smart? letting Wade walk, trading Bosh and tank for a top 3 pick?

And Michael Jordan won a title when he was 35! We're actually fine!

I'd appreciate if you actually understood the context of my post and read the post I was replying to before jumping down my throat in an attempt for and-1s.

Bourne was talking about how we need to build a team that can compete with the Warriors for the next half-decade. He used the Warriors' ability to push Hassan off the court with Green as a reason we shouldn't re-sign Hassan. In the team he proposed we build to counter the Warriors' small-ball, he included Wade and Bosh, who will be 35 and 32 next year, respectively. Perhaps you see the problem with building a team to counter the Warriors for the next five years that includes two players who will be in rapid decline very soon.

And no, my idea of "smart" is to re-sign Whiteside after this season ends and bring back a fairly similar team. We're not contenders regardless but we can be a perennial playoff team for the next few years while we figure out what the long-term moves are or should be. Since we owe a ton of draft picks, that seems to be the best of both worlds.

[RexBoyWonder]

Luol's past 8 games

14.3/5.4/1.7 46/50/81%

Stat's last 6 games

9.5/8.7/1.3blks 1.0stl 50%FG 90%FT 2 double doubles 22.3minutes

Per, reddit.

Honestly that's what I expect from our SF on a regular basis with the looks our offense creates for him.

Good for Deng for not sucking lately, hope he can keep this up. That's part of the reason we're looking better, Deng looking closer to a legit starting SF.

[RexBoyWonder]

This team is nowhere close to a championship. Even if we were, planning to "build around" players who will be 35 and 32 next year is idiotic, especially when you're talking about how you see the Warriors being in the Finals for the next 5 years.

You do realize Dirk was 32 YO when he led his team to a championship? Bosh doesn't even need to be as dominant as Dirk was for us to have success.

And what's idiotic exactly? To keep Bosh and Wade and add the best complementary talent to the Whiteside/Dragic/Bosh/Wade core?

If that's idiotic, what would you call smart? letting Wade walk, trading Bosh and tank for a top 3 pick?

And Michael Jordan won a title when he was 35! We're actually fine!

I'd appreciate if you actually understood the context of my post and read the post I was replying to before jumping down my throat in an attempt for and-1s.

Bourne was talking about how we need to build a team that can compete with the Warriors for the next half-decade. He used the Warriors' ability to push Hassan off the court with Green as a reason we shouldn't re-sign Hassan. In the team he proposed we build to counter the Warriors' small-ball, he included Wade and Bosh, who will be 35 and 32 next year, respectively. Perhaps you see the problem with building a team to counter the Warriors for the next five years that includes two players who will be in rapid decline very soon.

And no, my idea of "smart" is to re-sign Whiteside after this season ends and bring back a fairly similar team. We're not contenders regardless but we can be a perennial playoff team for the next few years while we figure out what the long-term moves are or should be. Since we owe a ton of draft picks, that seems to be the best of both worlds.

I misunderstood the context of your post because you didn't bother quoting his post. I'm not a mind reader.

I didn't agree with the all "build the GSW killer" theme myself. We have some vets, we need to keep them, I think we agree on that regardless if we call it "building round them" or if they're considered just good pieces to have.

You go for a rebuild like Bourne offered when your vets aren't productive anymore or if you have a super young core with high upside. We're not in a position for a major overhaul and don't need one right now, we've got a good mix.

I might have more faith in our upside then you, but it's impossible to predict what moves/improvements we can make these next few years.

[gom]

And no, my idea of "smart" is to re-sign Whiteside after this season ends and bring back a fairly similar team. We're not contenders regardless but we can be a perennial playoff team for the next few years while we figure out what the long-term moves are or should be. Since we owe a ton of draft picks, that seems to be the best of both worlds.

The ton of draft picks after we pay the 76ers their (hopefully high 20) pick this year is TWO:

2017: MIA (assuming 76ers get our pick this year)

2018: 1-7 MIA; 8-30 to PHX.

2019: To PHX if not already settled, otherwise MIA

2020: MIA

2021: To PHX

Once we pay the 2018 pick (hopefully in 2018), we'll owe only the 2021. I hope it's the 30th pick.