2016 Draft - Never too early

[Mr B]

I know this... Carolina and Seattle are where we want to be - at the top of the NFC heap. A significantly improved defense helps us get closer right now.

The fair question to ask - where are we in 5 years... and is there a legitimate QB in this draft that gives us the ability to be in 5 years where Carolina and Seattle are right now?

There are 3 that could be anywhere from Russell Wilson to Bortles, to Jameis Winston. Any of the guys in this draft are capable of that. Is there a Cam? Not really but then guys like Cam don't come along very often. Wentz may be the closest if he puts on about 10-15 pounds.

[Otis Driftwood]

I know this... Carolina and Seattle are where we want to be - at the top of the NFC heap. A significantly improved defense helps us get closer right now.

The fair question to ask - where are we in 5 years... and is there a legitimate QB in this draft that gives us the ability to be in 5 years where Carolina and Seattle are right now?

There are 3 that could be anywhere from Russell Wilson to Bortles, to Jameis Winston. Any of the guys in this draft are capable of that. Is there a Cam? Not really but then guys like Cam don't come along very often. Wentz may be the closest if he puts on about 10-15 pounds.

No doubt. I guess my question was more along the lines of "what do we think we are RIGHT NOW" and how that relates to who we should be looking at in the draft.

Personally - I like both Goff and Wentz. The big question I have (and it's looking more and more like it's going to be the question the Cowboys are going to have to ask themselves) is - do you take Wentz at #4 knowing he's going to spend the next two to three years learning the art of being a QB in the NFL... or do you take Jack or Robinson and fill a need that has immediate potential contribution?

[Mr B]

I know this... Carolina and Seattle are where we want to be - at the top of the NFC heap. A significantly improved defense helps us get closer right now.

The fair question to ask - where are we in 5 years... and is there a legitimate QB in this draft that gives us the ability to be in 5 years where Carolina and Seattle are right now?

There are 3 that could be anywhere from Russell Wilson to Bortles, to Jameis Winston. Any of the guys in this draft are capable of that. Is there a Cam? Not really but then guys like Cam don't come along very often. Wentz may be the closest if he puts on about 10-15 pounds.

No doubt. I guess my question was more along the lines of "what do we think we are RIGHT NOW" and how that relates to who we should be looking at in the draft.

Personally - I like both Goff and Wentz. The big question I have (and it's looking more and more like it's going to be the question the Cowboys are going to have to ask themselves) is - do you take Wentz at #4 knowing he's going to spend the next two to three years learning the art of being a QB in the NFL... or do you take Jack or Robinson and fill a need that has immediate potential contribution?

I think the Cowboys are more than just 1 player away. If this were a team that needed just one more piece to put them over the top I would be ok with going all out on defense. This team has a ton of holes though so I would prefer to start preparing for the future.

Other than Free the Cowboys have an extremely young OL. I would love to see a young QB be able to grow with this bunch.

[bluejerseyjinx]

I just don't understand this unhealthy man crush on drafting a QB. I can't and won't respond anymore to this wacked out approach. I don't see at all what you guys see in either one, especially Wentz. I wouldn't give the guy a mop job. I just may shut myself down from this forum till next year if all we are going to talk about every damn night is a QB we don't need. Back up QB should be the very lowest priority on this team. If we draft a qb, next year and the year after, will be much similar to last season. There will be no rebuilding the way we really should do it. This is the Jerry era, not the Tom Landry era. As long as Witten and Romo are here, Jerry will go for broke every year, like he has done the past 20. Its always been his M.O. Even Landry would not draft a QB when he can get 2 defensive gems in the first round this upcoming draft.

[Otis Driftwood]

I really don't think you have much to worry about. There is no way Jerry drafts a QB at #4. None. Not a chance.

Right now - it's Myles Jack. Subject to change over the next two months. But he's going to draft someone that can contribute right now. It's what he does.

[bluejerseyjinx]

I swear to god, right now, if we take a QB with our #4 pick, or bring in Johnny Manziel, I will burn everything that says Dallas Cowboys. All 283 plaques in my blue room and memorbelia I have collected since I was a kid in the 70's, etc., I will however, keep my Staubach, Dorsett, Howely, Lilly, Jordan, Pearson, Neely and Wright Jerseys though. lol.

[Mr B]

I just don't understand this unhealthy man crush on drafting a QB. I can't and won't respond anymore to this wacked out approach. I don't see at all what you guys see in either one, especially Wentz. I wouldn't give the guy a mop job. I just may shut myself down from this forum till next year if all we are going to talk about every damn night is a QB we don't need. Back up QB should be the very lowest priority on this team. If we draft a qb, next year and the year after, will be much similar to last season. There will be no rebuilding the way we really should do it. This is the Jerry era, not the Tom Landry era. As long as Witten and Romo are here, Jerry will go for broke every year, like he has done the past 20. Its always been his M.O. Even Landry would not draft a QB when he can get 2 defensive gems in the first round this upcoming draft.

How long do you figure Romo to continue playing? Keep in mind he'll be 36 when the season starts. He's had 2 back surgeries the past 3 years and has a collar bone he's broken 3 times. I'm thinking 2 years max. Even if he has 3 years left are you ok with the Cowboys window being only 3 years?

Drafting a QB in the 1st (2nd at the latest) extends the Cowboys window by at least 10 years.

[bluejerseyjinx]

Yes, I'm O.K. with the window of only 3 years. We go defense this year. We already have a excellent O-line and Dez is locked up for awhile. Going this route will allow the next QB to play, learn and develop with a team that will keep him in almost all games. If there are no organizational changes, and we draft a QB, I fully expect more of the same we had last year, for years to come.

[bluejerseyjinx]

From some of the things I'm hearing in the rumor mill, we should attack the holes we need to fix. QB, imo, should be taken off the table. Looks like Goff will definitely be gone by our pick, most likely to Cleveland. Redskins will sign Cousins meaning RGIII will most likely be let go because I really don't think anyone will want to pick up his contract. Rumor has it Houston wants RGIII. The monkey in this whole wrench will be Tennesse. They have their QB, so I can see someone trading up with them so they can move back a bit and gain an extra mush needed pick or two. If someone wants to move up and make a deal with the titans, they will most likely do it to get a QB. If that is the case, does Cleveland take Wentz? That would ruin the Goff - Wentz scenario early. This is why I'm willing to sign colt McCoy in FA and focus on immediate team needs going into the draft.

[Mr B]

From some of the things I'm hearing in the rumor mill, we should attack the holes we need to fix. QB, imo, should be taken off the table. Looks like Goff will definitely be gone by our pick, most likely to Cleveland. Redskins will sign Cousins meaning RGIII will most likely be let go because I really don't think anyone will want to pick up his contract. Rumor has it Houston wants RGIII. The monkey in this whole wrench will be Tennesse. They have their QB, so I can see someone trading up with them so they can move back a bit and gain an extra mush needed pick or two. If someone wants to move up and make a deal with the titans, they will most likely do it to get a QB. If that is the case, does Cleveland take Wentz? That would ruin the Goff - Wentz scenario early. This is why I'm willing to sign colt McCoy in FA and focus on immediate team needs going into the draft.

I think the chances are highly likely that a team does trade up. I don't know if it will be with Tennessee or San Diego, could be both. The Combine and Pro Days should only enhance the stock of the top 3 QB's. All three have the potential to be Franchise QB's (although I think Cleveland will ruin whoever they draft).

Knowing that the Cowboys will potentially take a QB at #4 it's plausible that two teams could trade up. 49's and Eagles are likely candidates. Hell the Cowboys could trade up if they really want a QB. If that doesn't happen I fully expect the Cowboys to draft Wentz (or Goff is Cleveland takes Wentz).

As for the backup QB spot. I want no part of RGIII. If Houston wants him they can have him. I would love to sign McCoy but if the Skins do let RGIII go they are going to need a backup QB so I don't see them resigning McCoy. That's why I think Foles is also a possibility as the backup QB.

[Otis Driftwood]

From some of the things I'm hearing in the rumor mill, we should attack the holes we need to fix. QB, imo, should be taken off the table. Looks like Goff will definitely be gone by our pick, most likely to Cleveland. Redskins will sign Cousins meaning RGIII will most likely be let go because I really don't think anyone will want to pick up his contract. Rumor has it Houston wants RGIII. The monkey in this whole wrench will be Tennesse. They have their QB, so I can see someone trading up with them so they can move back a bit and gain an extra mush needed pick or two. If someone wants to move up and make a deal with the titans, they will most likely do it to get a QB. If that is the case, does Cleveland take Wentz? That would ruin the Goff - Wentz scenario early. This is why I'm willing to sign colt McCoy in FA and focus on immediate team needs going into the draft.

I don't think anything is off the table. We have too many holes on this roster not to consider any and all alternatives.The only position I would remotely consider to be solid in is the Offensive line and I have been an advocate for years that you should always draft at least one offensive lineman... just because.

Just draft the best guy on the board. Period.

[bluejerseyjinx]

From some of the things I'm hearing in the rumor mill, we should attack the holes we need to fix. QB, imo, should be taken off the table. Looks like Goff will definitely be gone by our pick, most likely to Cleveland. Redskins will sign Cousins meaning RGIII will most likely be let go because I really don't think anyone will want to pick up his contract. Rumor has it Houston wants RGIII. The monkey in this whole wrench will be Tennesse. They have their QB, so I can see someone trading up with them so they can move back a bit and gain an extra mush needed pick or two. If someone wants to move up and make a deal with the titans, they will most likely do it to get a QB. If that is the case, does Cleveland take Wentz? That would ruin the Goff - Wentz scenario early. This is why I'm willing to sign colt McCoy in FA and focus on immediate team needs going into the draft.

I think the chances are highly likely that a team does trade up. I don't know if it will be with Tennessee or San Diego, could be both. The Combine and Pro Days should only enhance the stock of the top 3 QB's. All three have the potential to be Franchise QB's (although I think Cleveland will ruin whoever they draft).

Knowing that the Cowboys will potentially take a QB at #4 it's plausible that two teams could trade up. 49's and Eagles are likely candidates. Hell the Cowboys could trade up if they really want a QB. If that doesn't happen I fully expect the Cowboys to draft Wentz (or Goff is Cleveland takes Wentz).

As for the backup QB spot. I want no part of RGIII. If Houston wants him they can have him. I would love to sign McCoy but if the Skins do let RGIII go they are going to need a backup QB so I don't see them resigning McCoy. That's why I think Foles is also a possibility as the backup QB.

I think I would get physically and mentally ill if we took Foles. What a bum.

[Mr B]

From some of the things I'm hearing in the rumor mill, we should attack the holes we need to fix. QB, imo, should be taken off the table. Looks like Goff will definitely be gone by our pick, most likely to Cleveland. Redskins will sign Cousins meaning RGIII will most likely be let go because I really don't think anyone will want to pick up his contract. Rumor has it Houston wants RGIII. The monkey in this whole wrench will be Tennesse. They have their QB, so I can see someone trading up with them so they can move back a bit and gain an extra mush needed pick or two. If someone wants to move up and make a deal with the titans, they will most likely do it to get a QB. If that is the case, does Cleveland take Wentz? That would ruin the Goff - Wentz scenario early. This is why I'm willing to sign colt McCoy in FA and focus on immediate team needs going into the draft.

I think the chances are highly likely that a team does trade up. I don't know if it will be with Tennessee or San Diego, could be both. The Combine and Pro Days should only enhance the stock of the top 3 QB's. All three have the potential to be Franchise QB's (although I think Cleveland will ruin whoever they draft).

Knowing that the Cowboys will potentially take a QB at #4 it's plausible that two teams could trade up. 49's and Eagles are likely candidates. Hell the Cowboys could trade up if they really want a QB. If that doesn't happen I fully expect the Cowboys to draft Wentz (or Goff is Cleveland takes Wentz).

As for the backup QB spot. I want no part of RGIII. If Houston wants him they can have him. I would love to sign McCoy but if the Skins do let RGIII go they are going to need a backup QB so I don't see them resigning McCoy. That's why I think Foles is also a possibility as the backup QB.

I think I would get physically and mentally ill if we took Foles. What a bum.

As a backup he actually wouldn't be bad. Again though, Colt McCoy is another option for a veteran backup QB.

[bluejerseyjinx]

From some of the things I'm hearing in the rumor mill, we should attack the holes we need to fix. QB, imo, should be taken off the table. Looks like Goff will definitely be gone by our pick, most likely to Cleveland. Redskins will sign Cousins meaning RGIII will most likely be let go because I really don't think anyone will want to pick up his contract. Rumor has it Houston wants RGIII. The monkey in this whole wrench will be Tennesse. They have their QB, so I can see someone trading up with them so they can move back a bit and gain an extra mush needed pick or two. If someone wants to move up and make a deal with the titans, they will most likely do it to get a QB. If that is the case, does Cleveland take Wentz? That would ruin the Goff - Wentz scenario early. This is why I'm willing to sign colt McCoy in FA and focus on immediate team needs going into the draft.

I think the chances are highly likely that a team does trade up. I don't know if it will be with Tennessee or San Diego, could be both. The Combine and Pro Days should only enhance the stock of the top 3 QB's. All three have the potential to be Franchise QB's (although I think Cleveland will ruin whoever they draft).

Knowing that the Cowboys will potentially take a QB at #4 it's plausible that two teams could trade up. 49's and Eagles are likely candidates. Hell the Cowboys could trade up if they really want a QB. If that doesn't happen I fully expect the Cowboys to draft Wentz (or Goff is Cleveland takes Wentz).

As for the backup QB spot. I want no part of RGIII. If Houston wants him they can have him. I would love to sign McCoy but if the Skins do let RGIII go they are going to need a backup QB so I don't see them resigning McCoy. That's why I think Foles is also a possibility as the backup QB.

So your willing to take the risk of taking Wentz at #4 if Goff is gone and set us back 3 plus years. More if he is NOT THE GUY. That's nuts. That is way too high of a risk to take wentz at 4. No way, that's just plain insanity.

[Mr B]

From some of the things I'm hearing in the rumor mill, we should attack the holes we need to fix. QB, imo, should be taken off the table. Looks like Goff will definitely be gone by our pick, most likely to Cleveland. Redskins will sign Cousins meaning RGIII will most likely be let go because I really don't think anyone will want to pick up his contract. Rumor has it Houston wants RGIII. The monkey in this whole wrench will be Tennesse. They have their QB, so I can see someone trading up with them so they can move back a bit and gain an extra mush needed pick or two. If someone wants to move up and make a deal with the titans, they will most likely do it to get a QB. If that is the case, does Cleveland take Wentz? That would ruin the Goff - Wentz scenario early. This is why I'm willing to sign colt McCoy in FA and focus on immediate team needs going into the draft.

I think the chances are highly likely that a team does trade up. I don't know if it will be with Tennessee or San Diego, could be both. The Combine and Pro Days should only enhance the stock of the top 3 QB's. All three have the potential to be Franchise QB's (although I think Cleveland will ruin whoever they draft).

Knowing that the Cowboys will potentially take a QB at #4 it's plausible that two teams could trade up. 49's and Eagles are likely candidates. Hell the Cowboys could trade up if they really want a QB. If that doesn't happen I fully expect the Cowboys to draft Wentz (or Goff is Cleveland takes Wentz).

As for the backup QB spot. I want no part of RGIII. If Houston wants him they can have him. I would love to sign McCoy but if the Skins do let RGIII go they are going to need a backup QB so I don't see them resigning McCoy. That's why I think Foles is also a possibility as the backup QB.

So your willing to take the risk of taking Wentz at #4 if Goff is gone and set us back 3 plus years. More if he is NOT THE GUY. That's nuts. That is way too high of a risk to take wentz at 4. No way, that's just plain insanity.

I'm absolutely willing to take that chance. Right now the Cowboys have zero plan for life after Romo. With Romo's health and contract he realistically only has 2 years left. And with his recent history he likely won't finish either of the next two seasons.

And you mention that what if Wentz or Goff are NOT THE GUY... Well what if they ARE THE GUY? What if they pass on the QB and they take Myles Jack or Ramsey, or Hargraves, or Treadwell and that guy ends up being a bust (because that's also a possibility).

QB is the most important position on the team. If you have a top 5 pick that is absolutely where you want to draft one. Especially if you have a vet QB and the rookie has a chance to sit and learn for 2 years. Think Aaron Rodgers. For what its worth Wentz is the guy I want but I would be happy if the drafted Wentz, Goff, or Lynch. All three have potential to be franchise QB's.

[Otis Driftwood]

Food for thought regarding the Salary Cap... Fisher makes the argument that they can clear around $46M in cap space.

http://www.scout.com/nfl/cowboys/story/1637497-cowboys-2016-salary-cap-overview

[bluejerseyjinx]

Wow. Getting rid of both Church and Carr. Now I know the real reason the guys at the hoop are screaming for a CB with our first pick.

[Mr B]

Wow. Getting rid of both Church and Carr. Now I know the real reason the guys at the hoop are screaming for a CB with our first pick.

Don't get your hopes up. I honestly do not see them letting Church go. I agree with what he said about Romo's contract though. His contract is escapable after two years. With his health the way it has been the last couple of years that's about all the time he has left anyways. In two years he should be ready to retire and allow the Cowboys to move on with the young QB they draft in this year's draft.

[Otis Driftwood]

Wow. Getting rid of both Church and Carr. Now I know the real reason the guys at the hoop are screaming for a CB with our first pick.

Don't get your hopes up. I honestly do not see them letting Church go. I agree with what he said about Romo's contract though. His contract is escapable after two years. With his health the way it has been the last couple of years that's about all the time he has left anyways. In two years he should be ready to retire and allow the Cowboys to move on with the young QB they draft in this year's draft.

ducks!

[bluejerseyjinx]

I see that the Egals will not put franchise tag on Bradford and are actively pursuing To get Foles back.