Game 51: Rockets @ Suns

[AtheJ415]

Cut the 12 year old a little slack, he 's not a 5th year veteran who's 'only" 23

I just find it funny how people sometimes celebrate his individual game performances while beating Knight to death for games that are better. I'm on record saying Booker will be a superstar. But I think the way most of our fans treat Knight is absurd.

Because he comes down and just shoots, period. He doesn't look to pass unless it is forced. Booker can miss all of the shots he wants to as long as they are in the flow of the game. What don't you understand about that?

His A/TO rate is bad, and people here want him to play PG. It's a double standard no matter how you slice it. Part of it is age and experience, which is a valid part of it, but another is just that people don't like one while they like the other, and therefore choose to view both under different lights.

[AtheJ415]

You are just saying what?

That his box score was very Brandon Knightesque.

Was his shots? Make a point please. Knightish means chucking, period. Knight is a turd and a gunner, that is why fans from all of the teams he played on did not like him. This isn't Knight's first rodeo so trying to throw Booker into that point because you have an affinity for the chucker is laughable.

Isaiah Thomas takes a ton of shots and people here now think we should've never traded him. My point is pretty obvious. His box score and actual production is in certain games worse than Knight's, and people celebrate that while criticizing Knight. There's an obvious point. You don't agree, which is fine, but don't sit here replying over and over while choosing to ignore what I've said already twice on this very thread. My point is we treat them very differently. If Knight or Bledsoe put up that box score the fans would rail on them.

[AtheJ415]

Another very Brandon Knightesque box score for Booker. Just saying.

Except he doesnt hold the ball for 23 seconds and then chuck. Defenses are keying in on him. He has to work harder and harder in moving without the ball to shake his man off. And the end of the game he is gassed. His off-the-dribble shots are tough because defenders dont give him much space, as he is not yet a threat on the dribble drive.

Isaiah Thomas holds it for 23 and chucks constantly and people here want him back, or else complain that we didn't get multiple 1sts for him.

[AtheJ415]

Cut the 12 year old a little slack, he 's not a 5th year veteran who's 'only" 23

Brandon Knight. Veteran.

Does that make Bledsoe a grandpa?

Chandler a dinosaur.

Well he isn't exactly a spring chicken any more. He's been in the league long enough to come to a verdict. He is what he is at this point.

Many people said the same thing about Archie being a bust (he's been in the league 3 years, who cares about age, right?), about Jimmy Butler, about Nash, about plenty of guys. The idea that a guy is who he is at 24 is and always has been truly absurd. I'm not a Knight fan, but it is crazy how this board treats him relative to other players on the team.

[blacksun]

Another very Brandon Knightesque box score for Booker. Just saying.

Except he doesnt hold the ball for 23 seconds and then chuck. Defenses are keying in on him. He has to work harder and harder in moving without the ball to shake his man off. And the end of the game he is gassed. His off-the-dribble shots are tough because defenders dont give him much space, as he is not yet a threat on the dribble drive.

Isaiah Thomas holds it for 23 and chucks constantly and people here want him back, or else complain that we didn't get multiple 1sts for him.

Well I for one never wanted him back. People are just looking for reasons to rip the FO. The mistake with IT is not trading him or trading him for peanuts, its signing him in the first place.

[AtheJ415]

Except he doesnt hold the ball for 23 seconds and then chuck. Defenses are keying in on him. He has to work harder and harder in moving without the ball to shake his man off. And the end of the game he is gassed. His off-the-dribble shots are tough because defenders dont give him much space, as he is not yet a threat on the dribble drive.

Isaiah Thomas holds it for 23 and chucks constantly and people here want him back, or else complain that we didn't get multiple 1sts for him.

Well I for one never wanted him back. People are just looking for reasons to rip the FO. The mistake with IT is not trading him or trading him for peanuts, its signing him in the first place.

So you were hoping we'd keep Goran, who is arguably the worst contract in basketball?

[batsmasher]

Cut the 12 year old a little slack, he 's not a 5th year veteran who's 'only" 23

Brandon Knight. Veteran.

Does that make Bledsoe a grandpa?

Chandler a dinosaur.

Well he isn't exactly a spring chicken any more. He's been in the league long enough to come to a verdict. He is what he is at this point.

According to these rules, the following players are ineligible to improve:

PJ3 (Sorry Kerrsed)
Terrence Jones
Dion Waiters
Terrence Ross
Meyers Leonard
Jae Crowder
Will Barton
Kyle O'Quinn
CJ McCollum
Iman Shumpert
Donatas Motiejunas
Alec Burks



PS Holy cow Andrew Nicholson is 26.

[blacksun]

Isaiah Thomas holds it for 23 and chucks constantly and people here want him back, or else complain that we didn't get multiple 1sts for him.

Well I for one never wanted him back. People are just looking for reasons to rip the FO. The mistake with IT is not trading him or trading him for peanuts, its signing him in the first place.

So you were hoping we'd keep Goran, who is arguably the worst contract in basketball?

Who said anything about keeping Goran? Who knows how things would have turned out otherwise, but regardless I wont sign him for his current contract if it was up to me.

[LukasBMW]

I'm happy with the result of this game.

-We lost and the Lakers won!
-Archie got minutes
-Booker played pretty damn well against overrated superstar Harden

If only Keef played a bit better to improve his value...
But I'm not surprised at all to see his effort level again at a 3/10

If Keef and Tucker switched hearts:
-Keef would be a top 10 player (I'm serious)
-Tucker wouldn't have even been able to play at the college level. (I'm serious)

[Christine-In-AZ]

Another very Brandon Knightesque box score for Booker. Just saying.

Cut the 12 year old a little slack, he 's not a 5th year veteran who's 'only" 23

I just find it funny how people sometimes celebrate his individual game performances while beating Knight to death for games that are better. I'm on record saying Booker will be a superstar. But I think the way most of our fans treat Knight is absurd.

I totally agree.

I think Knight is getting crazy short shrift by too many Suns fans. His game certainly has issues, but trying to accurately evaluate his worth given how f'd up this team's make-up was/is is myopic or irrational. The lab results are at the least, suspect.

Plus...and preface, I am a fan of Archie (I never lost hope), mostly of his long-range future potential; He's doing well, but the wheels overall are still pretty freaking wobbly. You could give dozens of end-of-the-bench player 35 minutes a game with a very green light, and they'd put up numbers akin to what Archie has over the past 10 games or so.

I love what Archie has been doing, but many of you need to settle down. He still has quite a ways to go, but YES! He may eventually go very, very far.

...Or not so much.

It is fun to see him getting lots and true "freedom" minutes.

Mixed results sees me.


signed,

~an Archie Goodwin fan

[Blackification]

It was a bad game for booker. The rockets played tough d on him tonight.
The box score may look similar but the ball wasn't sticking in bookers hands. He wasn't playing hero ball.

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He had a good first half and the rockets adjusted. It also doesn't help that booker doesn't have many people to set up shots for him. His open threes come off broken down defense and fast breaks a lot of times or he has to take his man 1v1. Beverly was on him like glue the entire second half.

I don't really think this is surprising at all. As Booker gets more popular expect more nights like this because he is a defensive focus now. Especially after being announced to be in the 3 pt shooting competition and the coach saying he will be the second option on offense. On top of that he has been averaging 19 ppg lately on efficient shooting. This is exactly the learning experience he needs to develop his game to be a superstar

[Sunsss]

OT but you might wanna see this:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-F4K9F7waSY[/youtube]

[AtheJ415]

OT but you might wanna see this:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-F4K9F7waSY[/youtube]

Yup, it's all the GM's fault, while he lauds Booker, the result of our GM. Charles actively tried to get the GM job last go around. I'm sure he thinks he still should be Phoenix's GM.

[nerazzurri10]

The sad thing is, all Charles has got left it to laugh at the Suns, since obviously no one will give him a job in the NBA, certainly not when all he does is talking trash in this irrelevant TNT show.

[Blackification]

that was **** hilarious lmao he is obviously taking it too far but this is our worst season in franchise history so its that bad

[Beetlejuice]

Another very Brandon Knightesque box score for Booker. Just saying.

It is easy to think that seeing him missing most of his shots this game, but I think you should reconsider your viewpoint regarding Booker vs Knight.

17 points on 12 shots , its 1.42 pts per shot.

Knight has equaled it or been better than that only 6 games this season.

1.42 pts per shot 10/31 @ por (10-19 for 27pts)
1.68 pts 11/8 @ okc (14-22 for 39 pts)
1.9 pts 11/20 @ den (11-20 for 38 pts)
1.5 pts 12/7 @ CHI (7-14 for 21 pts)
1.53 pts 12/21 @UTAH (8-17 for 26 pts)

6 games equal or better - 35 worse.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Booker wants to be better, Knight is happy being Knight.

[NavLDO]

Len playing well, guess he is likeable again to some fans here.[/quote

He plays like a girl. ]

Maybe he'll have another game like this in a couple of weeks

Let's look at the last 9 games, since he came back from his lingering hand injury, that has bothered him since December, with a projection to 36 minutes for each:

1/19 -- 21min, 6pts, 12 Rebs -- equates to 11 pts, 21 Rebs
1/21 -- 35min, 13pts, 8 Rebs
1/23 -- 35min, 16pts, 12 Rebs
1/26 -- 34min, 16pts, 12 Rebs
1/27 -- 27min, 4pts, 4 Rebs -- equates to 6 pts, 6 Rebs
1/29 -- 17min, 6pts, 7 Rebs -- equates to 12 pts, 14 Rebs
1/31 -- 15min, 6pts, 8 Rebs -- equates to 14 pts, 19 Rebs
2/2 -- 16min, 2pts, 4 Rebs -- equates to 5 pts, 9 Rebs
2/4 -- 27min, 12pts, 18 Rebs -- equates to 16 pts, 24 Rebs

And yes, I know per36 are highly subjective, and not a great stat to go by, but my point is that he's only had, what could be considered, 2 'poor' games, statistically. Were he to play around 27-30 minutes, he'd still have, what would be considered, 7 of 9 good games. Without the projection, he's still averaging 9.5 Rebounds per Game. With? 14 Rebs per game. And what about somewhere in between, which we should consider to be his average of 30ish minutes? About 11-12, which would place him near the top in the league, so I'm not sure why all the hate for Len this season. He simply hasn't been healthy and/or, given enough minutes. Not counting the games he was out due to injury, he's still played less than 25 minutes 34 times this season. When given the minutes, he's produced just fine. I'm not saying he's an All-Star, but definitely a better-than-average starter, when again, given starter minutes.

[RunDogGun]

Booker wants to be better, Knight is happy being Knight.

You don't know that. I really hate it when people make things up to fit there agenda.

[saintEscaton]

OT but you might wanna see this:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-F4K9F7waSY[/youtube]

Yup, it's all the GM's fault, while he lauds Booker, the result of our GM. Charles actively tried to get the GM job last go around. I'm sure he thinks he still should be Phoenix's GM.

Chuck was 99% right in his tirade , and had the balls to call out the FO clowns. Especially the part about the pickles on the nacho cheese and that you could buy nosebleeder seats and move down to courtside and no one would care. We as fans deserve better than this sorry product, and most only attend home games to watch the visiting competion. Only thing I disagreed with was that Horny shouldn't take blame for his own demise. He definitely didn't deserve to keep his job. But the way he got axed left a sour taste. It happened at an inopportune time and was a premeditated way for McDunno to throw him under the bus and absolve himself of responsibility