ImageImageImageImageImage

Official Thread -- Wizards vs Warriors (2/3/16)

Moderators: LyricalRico, nate33, montestewart

Who will prevail?

The double bottom line, GPDW crew -- representing the most powerful city in the world
1
13%
City by the bay
7
88%
 
Total votes: 8

User avatar
Higga
Lead Assistant
Posts: 4,877
And1: 831
Joined: Jan 29, 2007
Location: Tyson's Corner, VA

Re: Official Thread -- Wizards vs Warriors (2/3/16) 

Post#301 » by Higga » Thu Feb 4, 2016 5:06 pm

Even when we pulled within 2 I never got the vibe we'd win. Our runs when the Warriors were kinda just cruising while we were trying our absolute hardest. Then Curry would come in, hit a couple 3s, and itd be like sit back down kids.

Not really a surprising result. But at least we kept it close, hoo ray...
Eric Maynor is the worst basketball player I've ever seen.
User avatar
TheSecretWeapon
RealGM
Posts: 17,122
And1: 877
Joined: May 29, 2001
Location: Milliways
Contact:
       

Re: Official Thread -- Wizards vs Warriors (2/3/16) 

Post#302 » by TheSecretWeapon » Thu Feb 4, 2016 5:09 pm

So much Moral Victory stuff in this thread.
"A lot of what we call talent is the desire to practice."
-- Malcolm Gladwell

Check out my blog about the Wizards, movies, writing, music, TV, sports, and whatever else comes to mind.
User avatar
Higga
Lead Assistant
Posts: 4,877
And1: 831
Joined: Jan 29, 2007
Location: Tyson's Corner, VA

Re: Official Thread -- Wizards vs Warriors (2/3/16) 

Post#303 » by Higga » Thu Feb 4, 2016 5:16 pm

TheSecretWeapon wrote:So much Moral Victory stuff in this thread.


Yep, hate that loser mentality.

It was only close because the Warriors took their foot off the gas for long stretches and we had guys try harding to keep it close.
Eric Maynor is the worst basketball player I've ever seen.
User avatar
Kanyewest
RealGM
Posts: 10,346
And1: 2,721
Joined: Jul 05, 2004

Re: Official Thread -- Wizards vs Warriors (2/3/16) 

Post#304 » by Kanyewest » Thu Feb 4, 2016 5:27 pm

TheSecretWeapon wrote:So much Moral Victory stuff in this thread.


The Warriors are playing like one of the greatest teams of all time. There is a lot to be upset about but losing this game isn't one of them.
User avatar
Kanyewest
RealGM
Posts: 10,346
And1: 2,721
Joined: Jul 05, 2004

Re: Official Thread -- Wizards vs Warriors (2/3/16) 

Post#305 » by Kanyewest » Thu Feb 4, 2016 5:30 pm

Higga wrote:
TheSecretWeapon wrote:So much Moral Victory stuff in this thread.


Yep, hate that loser mentality.

It was only close because the Warriors took their foot off the gas for long stretches and we had guys try harding to keep it close.


Or you could also argue that Curry got it going and there was nothing that Washington could really do about it . Curry had 50 points in his last 3 games combined while he had 51 points. Not sure how you can play defense on Curry; when Wall got physical with him, they called a foul on Wall.

Again the Warriors are playing like the MJ Bulls.
User avatar
Dark Faze
Head Coach
Posts: 6,466
And1: 2,117
Joined: Dec 27, 2008

Re: Official Thread -- Wizards vs Warriors (2/3/16) 

Post#306 » by Dark Faze » Thu Feb 4, 2016 8:13 pm

TheSecretWeapon wrote:So much Moral Victory stuff in this thread.


almost any other game and I don't talk about it

but there was a serious threat that 81 could have been broken or matched last night...and that's a cancer that can seriously fester in your arena and throughout your fanbase for a long time

being able to avoid it AND make it respectable was easily the best thing to happen this season, as sad as that is.
AFM
RealGM
Posts: 12,423
And1: 8,648
Joined: May 25, 2012
   

Re: Official Thread -- Wizards vs Warriors (2/3/16) 

Post#307 » by AFM » Thu Feb 4, 2016 8:33 pm

GPDW is still recruiting. We meet every weekend at Atomic Billiards in Cleveland Park. PM me if interested.
Ruzious
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 47,909
And1: 11,582
Joined: Jul 17, 2001
       

Re: Official Thread -- Wizards vs Warriors (2/3/16) 

Post#308 » by Ruzious » Thu Feb 4, 2016 10:50 pm

stevemcqueen1 wrote:
Dark Faze wrote:One thing we're missing that our old teams had is the ability to nail like 4 or 5 threes in a row on the regular. You used to have Martell and Ariza that could go on some real runs. Rasual as well.

This teams identity is just very different offensively with Porter...


Yeah it is very different. In general Porter is a more versatile offensive player than them and he's better at running the floor and filling fast break lanes. Better at scoring from mid range and around the rim. But he's nowhere near as good a three ball shooter. Neither as a trailer on the break (where Pierce and Ariza had to be close to elite), nor as a catch and shoot guy in half court sets.

Porter is just going to have to get better from behind the three point line. In all ways. Probably not going to happen soon either. So in the meantime we need to be able to make up a lot of that lack of shooting with a credible PF that can shoot.

That's why I really want to get Ryan Anderson. That guy has knockdown ability from three. Between him, Dudley, and Beal, you would have three guys that shoot with total confidence. Doesn't seem like it, but three is a lot better than two.

Anderson is a Plan C, D, E, or F candidate for the offseason - unless they pull off a Beal deal for him. He's going to cost quite a lot since he's scoring a lot, but he doesn't bring a lot in areas such as defense and rebounding for a 4. Remember, Dudley's more than likely gone after this season.
"A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools." - Douglas Adams
User avatar
stevemcqueen1
Lead Assistant
Posts: 4,588
And1: 1,137
Joined: Jan 25, 2013
     

Re: Official Thread -- Wizards vs Warriors (2/3/16) 

Post#309 » by stevemcqueen1 » Fri Feb 5, 2016 3:40 am

Ruzious wrote:
stevemcqueen1 wrote:
Dark Faze wrote:One thing we're missing that our old teams had is the ability to nail like 4 or 5 threes in a row on the regular. You used to have Martell and Ariza that could go on some real runs. Rasual as well.

This teams identity is just very different offensively with Porter...


Yeah it is very different. In general Porter is a more versatile offensive player than them and he's better at running the floor and filling fast break lanes. Better at scoring from mid range and around the rim. But he's nowhere near as good a three ball shooter. Neither as a trailer on the break (where Pierce and Ariza had to be close to elite), nor as a catch and shoot guy in half court sets.

Porter is just going to have to get better from behind the three point line. In all ways. Probably not going to happen soon either. So in the meantime we need to be able to make up a lot of that lack of shooting with a credible PF that can shoot.

That's why I really want to get Ryan Anderson. That guy has knockdown ability from three. Between him, Dudley, and Beal, you would have three guys that shoot with total confidence. Doesn't seem like it, but three is a lot better than two.

Anderson is a Plan C, D, E, or F candidate for the offseason - unless they pull off a Beal deal for him. He's going to cost quite a lot since he's scoring a lot, but he doesn't bring a lot in areas such as defense and rebounding for a 4. Remember, Dudley's more than likely gone after this season.


I'm high on Anderson. Higher than the majority. When he gets it going, his shooting swagger is awesome. Just lets the ball fly, off the bounce, from way behind the line. I think he's one of the great three point shooters in the league. A better natural shooter than even Kevin Love. I think he'd be an elite trailer and pick and fade option, and he'd definitely be the best set shot shooter on our team.

The other thing I like about him is the lack of ego. For such a gifted scorer, he really doesn't care about his minutes. He'd be willing to come off the bench for us if we needed him to.

Anderson would be my plan B if/when Durant turns us down. I think he's an exceptional fit for us. Also, I'd love to see him play with a real PG like Wall. I could see his 3pt % jump by .5 into the mid .400 range, and on 6 or 7 attempts a game? Probably score just under 20 PPG for us, and on good efficiency. Probably get his ORtg close to 120. He'd give our offense a HUGE boost.

Defense would be an issue. Probably the only way that would be solved is by Porter and Oubre taking big steps forward. Otto needs to take it upon himself to become our stopper. He needs to embrace a Dennis Rodman-esque role.

Also, I'd be interested in a Bismack Biyombo type signing to go with Anderson. He has the energy and mentality to set the tone for us on D.

And as for Dudley, him and Sessions are the two guys I want to bring back this summer. They've proven themselves to be very high quality role players.
User avatar
Kanyewest
RealGM
Posts: 10,346
And1: 2,721
Joined: Jul 05, 2004

Re: Official Thread -- Wizards vs Warriors (2/3/16) 

Post#310 » by Kanyewest » Fri Feb 5, 2016 4:24 am

stevemcqueen1 wrote:
I'm high on Anderson. Higher than the majority.


For a second, I thought you were talking about Alan Anderson. :D
AFM
RealGM
Posts: 12,423
And1: 8,648
Joined: May 25, 2012
   

Re: Official Thread -- Wizards vs Warriors (2/3/16) 

Post#311 » by AFM » Fri Feb 5, 2016 4:35 am

Kanyewest wrote:
stevemcqueen1 wrote:
I'm high on Anderson. Higher than the majority.


For a second, I thought you were talking about Alan Anderson. :D


Hahahahahahha!! :lol: :lol: You're too much man...
Ruzious
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 47,909
And1: 11,582
Joined: Jul 17, 2001
       

Re: Official Thread -- Wizards vs Warriors (2/3/16) 

Post#312 » by Ruzious » Fri Feb 5, 2016 1:11 pm

stevemcqueen1 wrote:
Ruzious wrote:
stevemcqueen1 wrote:
Yeah it is very different. In general Porter is a more versatile offensive player than them and he's better at running the floor and filling fast break lanes. Better at scoring from mid range and around the rim. But he's nowhere near as good a three ball shooter. Neither as a trailer on the break (where Pierce and Ariza had to be close to elite), nor as a catch and shoot guy in half court sets.

Porter is just going to have to get better from behind the three point line. In all ways. Probably not going to happen soon either. So in the meantime we need to be able to make up a lot of that lack of shooting with a credible PF that can shoot.

That's why I really want to get Ryan Anderson. That guy has knockdown ability from three. Between him, Dudley, and Beal, you would have three guys that shoot with total confidence. Doesn't seem like it, but three is a lot better than two.

Anderson is a Plan C, D, E, or F candidate for the offseason - unless they pull off a Beal deal for him. He's going to cost quite a lot since he's scoring a lot, but he doesn't bring a lot in areas such as defense and rebounding for a 4. Remember, Dudley's more than likely gone after this season.


I'm high on Anderson. Higher than the majority. When he gets it going, his shooting swagger is awesome. Just lets the ball fly, off the bounce, from way behind the line. I think he's one of the great three point shooters in the league. A better natural shooter than even Kevin Love. I think he'd be an elite trailer and pick and fade option, and he'd definitely be the best set shot shooter on our team.

The other thing I like about him is the lack of ego. For such a gifted scorer, he really doesn't care about his minutes. He'd be willing to come off the bench for us if we needed him to.

Anderson would be my plan B if/when Durant turns us down. I think he's an exceptional fit for us. Also, I'd love to see him play with a real PG like Wall. I could see his 3pt % jump by .5 into the mid .400 range, and on 6 or 7 attempts a game? Probably score just under 20 PPG for us, and on good efficiency. Probably get his ORtg close to 120. He'd give our offense a HUGE boost.

Defense would be an issue. Probably the only way that would be solved is by Porter and Oubre taking big steps forward. Otto needs to take it upon himself to become our stopper. He needs to embrace a Dennis Rodman-esque role.

Also, I'd be interested in a Bismack Biyombo type signing to go with Anderson. He has the energy and mentality to set the tone for us on D.

And as for Dudley, him and Sessions are the two guys I want to bring back this summer. They've proven themselves to be very high quality role players.

Anderson would definitely help the team - though we would not be a championship contender. Sessions is probably having the best year of his career, so I'd like to keep him at a reasonable price. But Dudley... meh. What he's proven is you can't win with him at PF. The Wiz have gone from 5th in defensive efficiency to 21st, and the biggest difference is the drop at PF. At SF, he'd easily be the slowest SF in the NBA, and pairing him with Ryan Anderson would give us the least athletic pair of forwards in the NBA. And even with his 3 point shooting, he averages just 12 points per pace adjusted 40 minutes.
"A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools." - Douglas Adams
montestewart
Forum Mod - Wizards
Forum Mod - Wizards
Posts: 14,798
And1: 7,924
Joined: Feb 25, 2009

Re: Official Thread -- Wizards vs Warriors (2/3/16) 

Post#313 » by montestewart » Fri Feb 5, 2016 1:32 pm

The NBA champions come to DC for the annual stomping of the Wizards and meeting with the president. Yesterday, a young friend of ours (who's in a White House youth intern program) texted me, no words just pics of him shaking hands with Steve Kerr (with Curry and Iguodala just behind them) and getting a Warriors shirt signed by Draymond Green. He later told me he got all their autographs on both his hat and his shirt. And their contact info (future sports lawyer/manager maybe). And the pic with Kerr made it onto a White House website. Somewhat countered the usual misery of losing to the champs. Hope he's still a Wizards fan.
AFM
RealGM
Posts: 12,423
And1: 8,648
Joined: May 25, 2012
   

Re: Official Thread -- Wizards vs Warriors (2/3/16) 

Post#314 » by AFM » Fri Feb 5, 2016 1:34 pm

Monte with his annual "I have to remind you that I have important friends" post. No one cares.
montestewart
Forum Mod - Wizards
Forum Mod - Wizards
Posts: 14,798
And1: 7,924
Joined: Feb 25, 2009

Re: Official Thread -- Wizards vs Warriors (2/3/16) 

Post#315 » by montestewart » Fri Feb 5, 2016 1:53 pm

AFM wrote:Monte with his annual "I have to remind you that I have important friends" post. No one cares.

You're my most important friend, AFM. And I care.
User avatar
stevemcqueen1
Lead Assistant
Posts: 4,588
And1: 1,137
Joined: Jan 25, 2013
     

Re: Official Thread -- Wizards vs Warriors (2/3/16) 

Post#316 » by stevemcqueen1 » Fri Feb 5, 2016 2:16 pm

Ruzious wrote:Anderson would definitely help the team - though we would not be a championship contender. Sessions is probably having the best year of his career, so I'd like to keep him at a reasonable price. But Dudley... meh. What he's proven is you can't win with him at PF. The Wiz have gone from 5th in defensive efficiency to 21st, and the biggest difference is the drop at PF. At SF, he'd easily be the slowest SF in the NBA, and pairing him with Ryan Anderson would give us the least athletic pair of forwards in the NBA. And even with his 3 point shooting, he averages just 12 points per pace adjusted 40 minutes.


I don't think you could play Dudley and Anderson together much. Too little defense and rebounding. I would stagger their minutes and probably have Dudley come off the bench at the 3 and 4. Probably start Anderson and have him play most of his minutes with Otto.

My main concern with Anderson is durability. Ideally, I'd want him playing full starter's minutes. I wonder if he can handle that?

But I'd go after him even as just a 28-30 MPG player.

I think Dudley brings a lot to the table. Top notch catch and shoot ability from three. Very high BBall IQ. Good passing. And even though he is so unathletic, he's tough and has a surprising nose for the ball so he gets steals and anticipates passes and hard fouls when you need it. That's good enough for a bench player (who we are miscasting as a starter out of desperation). Plus he is definitely nice to have in the locker room.
Ruzious
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 47,909
And1: 11,582
Joined: Jul 17, 2001
       

Re: Official Thread -- Wizards vs Warriors (2/3/16) 

Post#317 » by Ruzious » Fri Feb 5, 2016 2:40 pm

stevemcqueen1 wrote:
Ruzious wrote:Anderson would definitely help the team - though we would not be a championship contender. Sessions is probably having the best year of his career, so I'd like to keep him at a reasonable price. But Dudley... meh. What he's proven is you can't win with him at PF. The Wiz have gone from 5th in defensive efficiency to 21st, and the biggest difference is the drop at PF. At SF, he'd easily be the slowest SF in the NBA, and pairing him with Ryan Anderson would give us the least athletic pair of forwards in the NBA. And even with his 3 point shooting, he averages just 12 points per pace adjusted 40 minutes.


I don't think you could play Dudley and Anderson together much. Too little defense and rebounding. I would stagger their minutes and probably have Dudley come off the bench at the 3 and 4. Probably start Anderson and have him play most of his minutes with Otto.

My main concern with Anderson is durability. Ideally, I'd want him playing full starter's minutes. I wonder if he can handle that?

But I'd go after him even as just a 28-30 MPG player.

I think Dudley brings a lot to the table. Top notch catch and shoot ability from three. Very high BBall IQ. Good passing. And even though he is so unathletic, he's tough and has a surprising nose for the ball so he gets steals and anticipates passes and hard fouls when you need it. That's good enough for a bench player (who we are miscasting as a starter out of desperation). Plus he is definitely nice to have in the locker room.

Yeah, it would be fun to have Anderson on the team. I remember a few years ago when he was at his best, he came off the bench, but he was always in there in crunch time in the 4th quarter draining 3's. And now he's getting back to being that player. A high volume and high percentage 3 point shooter at PF like him is rare and valuable.

I'm stuck on picking Buddy Hield in the draft and trading Beal. I know Beal has excellent potential, but he's injury-prone, inconsistent, and I don't want to pay what it'll take to get him. And I think Hield will be an unusual rookie who can come in and start.
"A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools." - Douglas Adams
I_Like_Dirt
RealGM
Posts: 36,057
And1: 9,437
Joined: Jul 12, 2003
Location: Boardman gets paid!

Re: Official Thread -- Wizards vs Warriors (2/3/16) 

Post#318 » by I_Like_Dirt » Fri Feb 5, 2016 5:09 pm

Dark Faze wrote:almost any other game and I don't talk about it

but there was a serious threat that 81 could have been broken or matched last night...and that's a cancer that can seriously fester in your arena and throughout your fanbase for a long time

being able to avoid it AND make it respectable was easily the best thing to happen this season, as sad as that is.


Yeah, having 81 dropped on you is something that sometimes even makes owner take a long, hard look at the GM, and usually gets them fired at the end of the season. Wouldn't want that kind of stench lingering around.
Bucket! Bucket!
User avatar
Dark Faze
Head Coach
Posts: 6,466
And1: 2,117
Joined: Dec 27, 2008

Re: Official Thread -- Wizards vs Warriors (2/3/16) 

Post#319 » by Dark Faze » Fri Feb 5, 2016 6:44 pm

Ruzious wrote:
stevemcqueen1 wrote:
Ruzious wrote:Anderson would definitely help the team - though we would not be a championship contender. Sessions is probably having the best year of his career, so I'd like to keep him at a reasonable price. But Dudley... meh. What he's proven is you can't win with him at PF. The Wiz have gone from 5th in defensive efficiency to 21st, and the biggest difference is the drop at PF. At SF, he'd easily be the slowest SF in the NBA, and pairing him with Ryan Anderson would give us the least athletic pair of forwards in the NBA. And even with his 3 point shooting, he averages just 12 points per pace adjusted 40 minutes.


I don't think you could play Dudley and Anderson together much. Too little defense and rebounding. I would stagger their minutes and probably have Dudley come off the bench at the 3 and 4. Probably start Anderson and have him play most of his minutes with Otto.

My main concern with Anderson is durability. Ideally, I'd want him playing full starter's minutes. I wonder if he can handle that?

But I'd go after him even as just a 28-30 MPG player.

I think Dudley brings a lot to the table. Top notch catch and shoot ability from three. Very high BBall IQ. Good passing. And even though he is so unathletic, he's tough and has a surprising nose for the ball so he gets steals and anticipates passes and hard fouls when you need it. That's good enough for a bench player (who we are miscasting as a starter out of desperation). Plus he is definitely nice to have in the locker room.

Yeah, it would be fun to have Anderson on the team. I remember a few years ago when he was at his best, he came off the bench, but he was always in there in crunch time in the 4th quarter draining 3's. And now he's getting back to being that player. A high volume and high percentage 3 point shooter at PF like him is rare and valuable.

I'm stuck on picking Buddy Hield in the draft and trading Beal. I know Beal has excellent potential, but he's injury-prone, inconsistent, and I don't want to pay what it'll take to get him. And I think Hield will be an unusual rookie who can come in and start.


seems to be comparable to Lillard in terms of being a high scoring 4 year guard and in terms of stats

really hard to bank on that though--getting those 4 year guards to pan out is lightning in a bottle sometimes

Return to Washington Wizards