Not In The Face - The Jeremy Lin Thread 3

[bws94]

MKG helps Lin in that he promotes transition basketball. He directs traffic on defense. With Lin and MKG teaming up, the team was on its toes. I think both Lin and MKG have leadership qualities that are of the mature type. They aren't obviously out there yelling at people and getting in their faces, but they are taking command. Only difference is Lin doesn't do that when Batum and Kemba are on the floor with him much while MKG does it all the time. MKG wrapping up an angry Hawes was a great show of leadership, yet MKG enjoyed Hawes's fire.

[spaceballer]

People are saying the Cavs played trash defense last game. Well, when your offense is predictable, like running lots of iso plays, having very little ball movement or when you know who is going to get the ball down the stretch, it's easy to defend. But when you have a true playmaker who not only passes the ball to open teammates but also create easy scoring opportunities like Lin can, your offense becomes unpredictable, and the defense falls apart.

Good analysis from ATH.

http://www.atthehive.com/2016/2/5/10919372/how-jeremy-lins-playmaking-broke-down-the-cleveland-cavaliers#comments

Thanks for posting that article. That's a nice breakdown that uses gifs to illustrate the points they're making about Lin's playmaking as primary ball handler. I like how each assist differs from another to illustrate his versatility as a primary playmaker. You've got penetration and passing to the other side of the court for a 3pter, you've got a bounce pass through traffic, you've got drawing pressure near the perimeter and then finding the open man with a cross-court pass, you've got a nice transition pass to move the ball to the rim.

It's too bad none of the gifs show one of his best playmaking abilities which are the nice passes he can make inside to a cutter or rolling big for alley-oops and such. The alley-oops we've seen this season have been rare. I wonder if the lack of alley-oops is more of a Cliff coaching thing or a Hornets personnel thing.

[uballer]

wow...lin plays one good game and suddenly its a bunch of lin nut hugging posts. Calm down, fact is lins handles still suck, his shots still suck and he is still a turnover machine. Im actually surprised that there is another player on the team who can go toe to toe with lin in a match of "who can turn over the ball in a more ridiculous way", aka Mr. Batum. Lin is a GOOD player, but don't get ahead of yourselves in thinking hes a super star. One thing for sure though, if he keeps playing at the level he has overall this season, he is getting HIS in the offseason. Im sure there are at LEAST 2 top teams in the east who can use a "backup pg" to make up for their crap starting PGs, ie bulls and drose, cavs and kyrie irving

This.

[tonman]

wow...lin plays one good game and suddenly its a bunch of lin nut hugging posts. Calm down, fact is lins handles still suck, his shots still suck and he is still a turnover machine. Im actually surprised that there is another player on the team who can go toe to toe with lin in a match of "who can turn over the ball in a more ridiculous way", aka Mr. Batum. Lin is a GOOD player, but don't get ahead of yourselves in thinking hes a super star. One thing for sure though, if he keeps playing at the level he has overall this season, he is getting HIS in the offseason. Im sure there are at LEAST 2 top teams in the east who can use a "backup pg" to make up for their crap starting PGs, ie bulls and drose, cavs and kyrie irving

Lins shot is so bad he three point average is now better than lamb and pj. His shot is so bad his fg percentage is the same as kemba. He turns the ball over so much even though batum and kemba turns it over more per game. Sure you can point out that per 36 or he handles the ball less but then you will get those who say he handles the ball plenty. This is a Lin thread so unfortunately you will have poster lauding him beyond rreality and those like you who picks at all his faults despite the many faults of the other players we have. Yes lof can go overboard with their adoration but you are faulting Lin one minute and calling him a backup another. Scoring 24 is kinda a good thing for a backup. Scoring 20+ in 3 of 5 games is a very good thing for a backup. Perhaps you should stop bashing a backup for having so many faults.

[fatlever]

shooting better than PJ is hardly something to brag about.

[yosemiteben]

Just pointing out that I got no problem with Lin fans getting excited about Lin's performance in this thread. He had too many TOs but if Batum posts Lin's stat line it'd probably be used as evidence to support a pretty big contract next summer. If there is a safe thread to talk positive about Lin after he has a big game, it's this one.

Just my two cents.

[ChokeFasncists]

wow...lin plays one good game and suddenly its a bunch of lin nut hugging posts. Calm down, fact is lins handles still suck, his shots still suck and he is still a turnover machine. Im actually surprised that there is another player on the team who can go toe to toe with lin in a match of "who can turn over the ball in a more ridiculous way", aka Mr. Batum. Lin is a GOOD player, but don't get ahead of yourselves in thinking hes a super star. One thing for sure though, if he keeps playing at the level he has overall this season, he is getting HIS in the offseason. Im sure there are at LEAST 2 top teams in the east who can use a "backup pg" to make up for their crap starting PGs, ie bulls and drose, cavs and kyrie irving

It's about the W, his (sudden) first start at PG for the entire season, breaking a 21 games losing streak.

How many 21 games losing streak are there existing?

I really don't care about how sucky his handles are, how his shots are bad, how many TOs he got; as long as he manufactures the W against elite teams, I'm OK.

It's the elite of the elite in the East. The team with THE best record with all the injured bodies back, fired their coach and on a winning streak.

He made the three game winning plays. The sudden celebration is totally called for, especially considering how much fans have gone thru.

[KM6]

Just pointing out that I got no problem with Lin fans getting excited about Lin's performance in this thread. He had too many TOs but if Batum posts Lin's stat line it'd probably be used as evidence to support a pretty big contract next summer. If there is a safe thread to talk positive about Lin after he has a big game, it's this one.

Just my two cents.

I don't understand people's fascination with low TOs especially for players like Lin who actively trying to playmake and attacks the basket aggressively. For Lin, he usually has huge games when he has more than a few TOs, and usually the team wins the game when he commits TOs. This is because his style of play. He had greatly reduced his TOs over the years, but usually when he commits more than 3 TOs it's because he is trying to make things happen as compared to committing no TOs and play passively, or play safe.

Personally, I don't care if Lin averages 20 TOs per game if his team can win 82 games in a season. Don't want to get too much into this TO topic anymore, but just my 2 cents as well.

[bigbob]

wow...lin plays one good game and suddenly its a bunch of lin nut hugging posts. Calm down, fact is lins handles still suck, his shots still suck and he is still a turnover machine. Im actually surprised that there is another player on the team who can go toe to toe with lin in a match of "who can turn over the ball in a more ridiculous way", aka Mr. Batum. Lin is a GOOD player, but don't get ahead of yourselves in thinking hes a super star. One thing for sure though, if he keeps playing at the level he has overall this season, he is getting HIS in the offseason. Im sure there are at LEAST 2 top teams in the east who can use a "backup pg" to make up for their crap starting PGs, ie bulls and drose, cavs and kyrie irving

Lins shot is so bad he three point average is now better than lamb and pj. His shot is so bad his fg percentage is the same as kemba. He turns the ball over so much even though batum and kemba turns it over more per game. Sure you can point out that per 36 or he handles the ball less but then you will get those who say he handles the ball plenty. This is a Lin thread so unfortunately you will have poster lauding him beyond rreality and those like you who picks at all his faults despite the many faults of the other players we have. Yes lof can go overboard with their adoration but you are faulting Lin one minute and calling him a backup another. Scoring 24 is kinda a good thing for a backup. Scoring 20+ in 3 of 5 games is a very good thing for a backup. Perhaps you should stop bashing a backup for having so many faults.

lins 3pt % is 32%...or even 31% not too sure, but its obviously garbage. Kemba has an excuse to turn the ball over more per game....he is the MAIN ball handler and plays much more minutes than lin. You see lins true face when he is forced to play PG for 30+ mins...ie 5+ turnovers a game. Sad thing is that, 5 turnovers for him in 30 minutes as pg is a LOW number for lin, its something to celebrate. In a bad or even normal day as PG, lin will have 7 or 8 turnovers. This might be a lin thread but its on a HORNETS board...if you want to stay with linsheep and worship lin as the next jesus go over to jlinportal or jeremylin.net This place is a sanctity where fans can be TRUE fans and freely criticize OR cheer lin without fearing some idiot fangirl mod banning without a second thought.

here is a pic to bring some of you back to earth and yes i got it from clutchfans

[2k15]

^^

just lol, wont humor with a response.

[2k15]

Just pointing out that I got no problem with Lin fans getting excited about Lin's performance in this thread. He had too many TOs but if Batum posts Lin's stat line it'd probably be used as evidence to support a pretty big contract next summer. If there is a safe thread to talk positive about Lin after he has a big game, it's this one.

Just my two cents.

I don't understand people's fascination with low TOs especially for players like Lin who actively trying to playmake and attacks the basket aggressively. For Lin, he usually has huge games when he has more than a few TOs, and usually the team wins the game when he commits TOs. This is because his style of play. He had greatly reduced his TOs over the years, but usually when he commits more than 3 TOs it's because he is trying to make things happen as compared to committing no TOs and play passively, or play safe.

Personally, I don't care if Lin averages 20 TOs per game if his team can win 82 games in a season. Don't want to get too much into this TO topic anymore, but just my 2 cents as well.

yeah, a pass-first guard is gonna have more TOs. there were two TOs back to back in the 4th quarter that just resulted from him and the big not being on the same page.

its not that his handles are so bad that he just loses balls in crowds although driving into crowds have cost him a couple of TOs as well, but driving into crowds has also resulted in points and assists. do agree that not all TOs are equal but also that he probably needs to be more judicious in his passing.

[fafan]

Sorry, what is clutchfans?

[KM6]

Sorry, what is clutchfans?

this.

[ChokeFasncists]

lins 3pt % is 32%...or even 31% not too sure, but its obviously garbage.

The question, is it the right thing to do to change his shooting form so he can perform better overall?

Kemba has an excuse to turn the ball over more per game....he is the MAIN ball handler and plays much more minutes than lin. You see lins true face when he is forced to play PG for 30+ mins...ie 5+ turnovers a game. Sad thing is that, 5 turnovers for him in 30 minutes as pg is a LOW number for lin, its something to celebrate. In a bad or even normal day as PG, lin will have 7 or 8 turnovers.

I dunno what you've been watching, his TO is quite a bit lower nowadays. So Kemba has an excuse but Lin doesn't? Lin makes a lot of high-risk-high-rewards passes that helps the team and everyone.

This might be a lin thread but its on a HORNETS board...if you want to stay with linsheep and worship lin as the next jesus go over to jlinportal or jeremylin.net This place is a sanctity where fans can be TRUE fans and freely criticize OR cheer lin without fearing some idiot fangirl mod banning without a second thought.

I don't get this holier than thou group think ad-hominen thing. Better to focus of facts IMO.

here is a pic to bring some of you back to earth and yes i got it from clutchfans

Quit the hate. Missed shot so what? There's nothing funny about it unless it's the hateful kind of sneer.

[ChokeFasncists]

Sorry, what is clutchfans?

Long, long time ago, there was this hateful place where fasncistic people dwell.

[ChokeFasncists]

Just pointing out that I got no problem with Lin fans getting excited about Lin's performance in this thread. He had too many TOs but if Batum posts Lin's stat line it'd probably be used as evidence to support a pretty big contract next summer. If there is a safe thread to talk positive about Lin after he has a big game, it's this one.

Just my two cents.

I don't understand people's fascination with low TOs especially for players like Lin who actively trying to playmake and attacks the basket aggressively. For Lin, he usually has huge games when he has more than a few TOs, and usually the team wins the game when he commits TOs. This is because his style of play. He had greatly reduced his TOs over the years, but usually when he commits more than 3 TOs it's because he is trying to make things happen as compared to committing no TOs and play passively, or play safe.

Personally, I don't care if Lin averages 20 TOs per game if his team can win 82 games in a season. Don't want to get too much into this TO topic anymore, but just my 2 cents as well.

One must also keep in mind that there's the factor of familiarity. It's the first time they did this, with a rusty Cody.

[fafan]

Lin has played numerous good games like vs. Raptors, Cavs, Kings, Clippers. He played much better as starter than bench:

Starter: 11 games 17.8 pts, FG 45.6%, 41.5%, Ft 81.8%, Reb 4, Ast 4.7, Tov, 2.9
Bench : 35 games 10.9 pts, FG 40.8%, 28.4%, Ft 78.9%, Reb 3, Ast 2.9, Tov, 2.1

[fafan]

Sorry, what is clutchfans?

Long, long time ago, there was this hateful place where fasncistic people dwell.

I see , thank you for explanation.

[ChokeFasncists]

^^

just lol, wont humor with a response.

Not a bad idea, was it an attack on Tonman? A straw man? Or from one made of Tin?

[spaceballer]

Just pointing out that I got no problem with Lin fans getting excited about Lin's performance in this thread. He had too many TOs but if Batum posts Lin's stat line it'd probably be used as evidence to support a pretty big contract next summer. If there is a safe thread to talk positive about Lin after he has a big game, it's this one.

Just my two cents.

Point taken.