Not In The Face - The Jeremy Lin Thread 3

[bws94]

KP's still young. Drummond only averages less than 1.5 bpg.

It was true Whiteside was blocking others and in a blocking zone but that doesn't mean Lin doesn't have a problem against elite shot blockers and that he plays better when the opponent doesn't have one.

I think that's the case for most penetrating guards. It was to Lin's advantage that the Cavs didn't have one in Wednesday's game.

That is true. But Lin can do more other things like kick it back out. With Frank and Hawes as bigs, there's no reason they can't figure something out.

That's why Lin didn't have a good game. He didn't use his penetrating abilities to get makeable shots for his team mates as well as he's capable of. And he kept doing something that had the same bad results. And often ended up in a face break opportunity for the opposing team.

I will add, though, that Frank and Hawes weren't making their perimeter shots. So maybe Lin needed to draw Whiteside out or use another tactic, or shoot mid-range shots himself that Whiteside couldn't block.

[fafan]

Harvard degree and all, kept taking the ball to the rim to get blocked

Calm down, just bad luck and no PnR, Wade got blocked 3 times which Hornets doesn't even have a good blocker.

[ChokeFasncists]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-JEkpMmRIo[/youtube]

I think this guy is pretty good.

It's great to get props from Coach Nick, he's all about playing the right way.

[TinmanZBoy]

Harvard degree and all, kept taking the ball to the rim to get blocked

Calm down, just bad luck and no PnR, Wade got blocked 3 times which Hornets doesn't even have a good blocker.

i'd cut lin a slack here... the first block whiteside came from nowhere from behind, the second one, lin shaked off Beno, had a opening to a bank shot, whiteside timed it perfectly... only the third one he was running and challenging whiteside at the rim...
and Lin did blow by him got a layup... you have to attack him, whiteside had a great night, he won't be like this every night...

[TTNN]

I think that's the case for most penetrating guards. It was to Lin's advantage that the Cavs didn't have one in Wednesday's game.

That is true. But Lin can do more other things like kick it back out. With Frank and Hawes as bigs, there's no reason they can't figure something out.

That's why Lin didn't have a good game. He didn't use his penetrating abilities to get makeable shots for his team mates as well as he's capable of. And he kept doing something that had the same bad results. And often ended up in a face break opportunity for the opposing team.

I will add, though, that Frank and Hawes weren't making their perimeter shots. So maybe Lin needed to draw Whiteside out or use another tactic, or shoot mid-range shots himself that Whiteside couldn't block.

It is easy to say, but if you go back and watch the film, you will see that most blocked shots from Whiteside was from weakside help, it happened to both Lin and Kemba, also other players who got blocked. In those cases, Lin beat his man but Whiteside came behind him or behind his man, which is a lot harder to see.

Also, heat were just simply switch at P&R when Lin/Hawes ran it, they left a PG with Hawes, that's good enough to stop Hawes to get his 3pt shots off, that's the problem when you don't have a strong roll man thus Whiteside don't need to pick and chose, he could just focus on the driver in PG.

Also if you go back to watch the tape, you could see how bad the spacing was, even Lin was facing all the defenders near paint, you don't see open man around, the team don't park anyone in the corner when you have guard driving, instead, you have Kemba or somebody else wondering 3 feet behind the arc at the top of the key, and take themselves out side of the game.

BTW, it is not like Whiteside only block near the rim, he was blocking people from everywhere, he literally pick the shot off the air, and he did that to Martin.

Maybe before you think what Lin should do, think it again whether that's feasible or not, and whether it works or not.

[PG13]

That is true. But Lin can do more other things like kick it back out. With Frank and Hawes as bigs, there's no reason they can't figure something out.

That's why Lin didn't have a good game. He didn't use his penetrating abilities to get makeable shots for his team mates as well as he's capable of. And he kept doing something that had the same bad results. And often ended up in a face break opportunity for the opposing team.

I will add, though, that Frank and Hawes weren't making their perimeter shots. So maybe Lin needed to draw Whiteside out or use another tactic, or shoot mid-range shots himself that Whiteside couldn't block.

It is easy to say, but if you go back and watch the film, you will see that most blocked shots from Whiteside was from weakside help, it happened to both Lin and Kemba, also other players who got blocked. In those cases, Lin beat his man but Whiteside came behind him or behind his man, which is a lot harder to see.

Also, heat were just simply switch at P&R when Lin/Hawes ran it, they left a PG with Hawes, that's good enough to stop Hawes to get his 3pt shots off, that's the problem when you don't have a strong roll man thus Whiteside don't need to pick and chose, he could just focus on the driver in PG.

Also if you go back to watch the tape, you could see how bad the spacing was, even Lin was facing all the defenders near paint, you don't see open man around, the team don't park anyone in the corner when you have guard driving, instead, you have Kemba or somebody else wondering 3 feet behind the arc at the top of the key, and take themselves out side of the game.

BTW, it is not like Whiteside only block near the rim, he was blocking people from everywhere, he literally pick the shot off the air, and he did that to Martin.

Maybe before you think what Lin should do, think it again whether that's feasible or not, and whether it works or not.

He went to Harvard, Ｉdidn't

[bws94]

That is true. But Lin can do more other things like kick it back out. With Frank and Hawes as bigs, there's no reason they can't figure something out.

That's why Lin didn't have a good game. He didn't use his penetrating abilities to get makeable shots for his team mates as well as he's capable of. And he kept doing something that had the same bad results. And often ended up in a face break opportunity for the opposing team.

I will add, though, that Frank and Hawes weren't making their perimeter shots. So maybe Lin needed to draw Whiteside out or use another tactic, or shoot mid-range shots himself that Whiteside couldn't block.

It is easy to say, but if you go back and watch the film, you will see that most blocked shots from Whiteside was from weakside help, it happened to both Lin and Kemba, also other players who got blocked. In those cases, Lin beat his man but Whiteside came behind him or behind his man, which is a lot harder to see.

Also, heat were just simply switch at P&R when Lin/Hawes ran it, they left a PG with Hawes, that's good enough to stop Hawes to get his 3pt shots off, that's the problem when you don't have a strong roll man thus Whiteside don't need to pick and chose, he could just focus on the driver in PG.

Also if you go back to watch the tape, you could see how bad the spacing was, even Lin was facing all the defenders near paint, you don't see open man around, the team don't park anyone in the corner when you have guard driving, instead, you have Kemba or somebody else wondering 3 feet behind the arc at the top of the key, and take themselves out side of the game.

BTW, it is not like Whiteside only block near the rim, he was blocking people from everywhere, he literally pick the shot off the air, and he did that to Martin.

Maybe before you think what Lin should do, think it again whether that's feasible or not, and whether it works or not.

Good points. You think Lin had a good game?

[TTNN]

Harvard degree and all, kept taking the ball to the rim to get blocked

Calm down, just bad luck and no PnR, Wade got blocked 3 times which Hornets doesn't even have a good blocker.

i'd cut lin a slack here... the first block whiteside came from nowhere from behind, the second one, lin shaked off Beno, had a opening to a bank shot, whiteside timed it perfectly... only the third one he was running and challenging whiteside at the rim...
and Lin did blow by him got a layup... you have to attack him, whiteside had a great night, he won't be like this every night...

Exactly. The team should try to spread the floor, and go with a roll man. Whiteside were not good at defense, he wander around to hunt for blocks.

Hornets need to punish that with bigs that could roll along the guard who drive, and punish Whiteside when he give up his own assignment to chase shot block. Unfortunately, coach Clifford try to play Hawes and was hoping Hawes could drag Whiteside out, yet Heat just simply switch and left Whiteside inside the paint. Hawes's 3pt release is so slow, they don't even need any size to defend him behind the arc.

That should be totally on the coach, Clifford just simply out coached and was not prepared well enough to face Heat.

[red32]

Harvard degree and all, kept taking the ball to the rim to get blocked

Calm down, just bad luck and no PnR, Wade got blocked 3 times which Hornets doesn't even have a good blocker.

i'd cut lin a slack here... the first block whiteside came from nowhere from behind, the second one, lin shaked off Beno, had a opening to a bank shot, whiteside timed it perfectly... only the third one he was running and challenging whiteside at the rim...
and Lin did blow by him got a layup... you have to attack him, whiteside had a great night, he won't be like this every night...

The dude's instinct is still diving into the paint, head down, and I think this is because he's just not a good catch/shoot guy, and I'm not sure if he would be able to improve on that.

[TinmanZBoy]

^coaching was fine, after all it was up 3 with ~1 minute left, just lousy executions down the stretch... the hornets had the control of the game most of the time..... nobody was near Hawes when he launched those threes, just could not make them

[jtsmith]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/hornets/status/696132896332103680[/tweet]

[lin is ok]

lol
lol New york times . http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/15/sports/ncaabasketball/coach-uses-lin-as-model-for-teaching-pick-and-roll.html?_r=0

[13th Man]

Quiet game for Lin. 2 positives that came out of it; Clifford trusted Lin enough to put him in during crunch time and Lin delivered not once but twice

[bws94]

Weird game from Lin. Actually, not a very good game. But in the close of the game he looked great. That's what was so weird. I thought overall he played good D on Wall when he played D on him.

[ChokeFasncists]

“And a lot of guys take him for granted,”

Connecticut’s best lockdown defender, the athletic senior Jerome Dyson, was assigned to pressure Lin and deny him the ball. But Dyson underestimated him.

Well said.

[thekiller99]

Lin was set to fail this game!
Inconsistent role and mins!
Wasn't getting touches or allowed to shoot the ball!

Lin isn't even the 3 options in the unit! He's like if all else fail pass to Lin to make something from a broken play.

Lin hit a clutch 3 and another drive which helped ice the game!
Can't say Kemba can do the same!
There was one stretch where Kemba did 5 iso plays and finally hit a 3 !

Clutch stat
Lin 2/2 5pts
Kemba 3/6 7points and 2 FTs

[ChokeFasncists]

Whenever Lin sees John Wall, he licks his chops.

Just when Wall thinks, "OK, Lin hasn't done anything, probably won't see the floor again, this is my night." Boom! Boom!

Whenever he sees Wall, "I've seen this guy before, I will take back what is mine!"

[TinmanZBoy]

Whenever Lin sees John Wall, he licks his chops.

Just when Wall thinks, "OK, Lin hasn't done anything, probably won't see the floor again, this is my night." Boom! Boom!

Whenever he sees Wall, "I've seen this guy before, I will take back what is mine!"

http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400578556

[ChokeFasncists]

~lol~ Just because he licks his chops doesn't mean he plays well every single time. (and I'm joking)

Besides, the Lakers year wasn't a normal year. Wasn't that right around the Kobe throwing a fit cuz Lin followed the coach's signals? He probably wasn't thinking about opponents that much then, and definitely didn't have any mood to lick his chops.

[TinmanZBoy]

~lol~ Just because he licks his chops doesn't mean he plays well every single time. (and I'm joking)

Besides, the Lakers year wasn't a normal year. Wasn't that right around the Kobe throwing a fit cuz Lin followed the coach's signals? He probably wasn't thinking about opponents that much then, and definitely didn't have any mood to lick his chops.

NO, that game was in Memphis...
Lin did not play well in DC, I was in the audience that game, lin could not buy a bucket, John Wall also blocked a Lin's attempt three right before the first half buzzer...