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[Darko Miliminutes]

I hate watching the crap, for sure.

But i'd hate a rule change even more. Do we really need to create more poor little victims? Maybe give him a participation trophy for his effort?

Make your free throws, or pay the cost!

The Bernie generation seems to keep forgetting that in the real world, the piper must be paid.

[thesack12]

Or some people reguarly watch NBA games that don't involve the Pistons and realize 2 things:

1) Hack-a-who fouling is not even close to a widespread issue throughout the league. It never happens in the vast majority of the games played, and rarely even happens during Detroit/LAC/Houston games.

No, those who have a problem with it is the extremes that it's reached. I'm not paying to watch JJ Reddick jump on Drummond while he's taking his free throws, or KJ McDaniels foul several times when the 3rd has barely started, or when I watched the Cavs foul Jordan in the third. Sports have changed the rules to keep the flow going*. I mean, hey, it's not like the NBA has changed rules to benefit players (Mikan, Jordan, modern perimeter players) or limit those players (hey, look at that, Mikan is a part of it, too!)

2) Intentional fouling bad free throw shooters is not going to go away. All it is going to do change how/when teams do it. You know how when a guy who is deep in the lane and receives a pass or offensive rebound and appears to have an easy bunny or dunk, but he gets fouled hard just prior to taking the ball up because the defense wants to make him earn the 2 points? Well get used to that because its going to happen a helluva lot more often with guys like Drummond. All teams will have to do is wait for the ball to get in that guys hands, which means more fouls off Drum's offensive boards and post touches before making a move. Hell, defenses will even have the opportunity to manipulate Drummond into getting the ball. All they will have to do is have defenders slack off him inviting post entry passes, then when the pass is made, here comes a swarming foul.

People who think this is actually going to change anything significant aren't looking at this in too much depth.

And if you've been reading my posts, I've been saying let the fouled team choose their free throw shooter. Works in soccer, will maybe make people be smart defensively.

*Sports is a business, after all. And I could list a number of rules changes a lot of sports have made to keep the flow going.

If you honestly think this situation is at any semblance of an extreme, that leads me to believe that you don't have a great grasp on just how prevalent this situation is in the grand scheme of NBA basketball. And again y'all are citing changes that had far and wide ranging impact on NBA basketball, this is not even in the same stratosphere of impact value.

Ok, cool the other team gets to pick the shooter. That would lead to a hiatus in the action to where the officials have to go consult the coach to see who they want shooting. Are the shooting options only limited to players currently on the floor, or can the coach choose anybody on the active roster like when the foulee is incapable of shooting his free throws. If so, then the game gets delayed even further waiting for the guy on the bench to strip off him warmups, stretch a bit, then check in. What happens with the free throws, are they taken in technical foul fashion (which has zero compelling viewership value and stops game flow), with only the shooter involved and all other players behind him? If not then there is not a stoppage allowing said player, to check back out of the game, so he would have to wait til the next dead ball. None of this leads to "smooth flow" of the game.

Then are we instituting this pick your shooter clause on ALL obviously intentional fouls, including the ones considered "ok."You know the ones where defender prevents an easy basket with a foul, or the ones that occur at the end of games 60-70 feet away from the basket because the team trailing is trying to extend the game. Well if we are, you then create more stoppages to where the officials are going to have to huddle to determine if the foul was indeed intentional, which then of course leads to the officials having to tend to the player who committed the foul and his coach complain and plead their case that it was not intentional. None of that is conducive to smooth flow.

If you institute that clause on ALL intentional non-shooting fouls you just eliminated a lot of potential for teams to make comebacks at the end of games. If this is the new rule, then why would teams even waste energy defending the inbounds pass at the ends of games, if the shooter is going to be selected? Man, that would be fun to watch wouldn't it. It also would basically guarantee that if you are down by 3 points with like less than 10 seconds to go, you are going to lose the game. Teams would just immediately foul you not allowing a 3 point shot, willingly give you the 2 free throws knowing that they are going to have their best free shooter on the line right after.

To sum up, sure changing hack rules will make the game more appealing to the eye for a select few games involving select few teams, but it absolutely will not have any impact on intentional fouling. Intentional fouls always have been, always will be a part of the game.

[DBC10]

I don't think it'll be on a path toward slippery slope, honestly, the next rule change I could see happening is the 3 point line being extended due to how it's a layup for Curry and he's singlehandedly destroying the league offensively.

Though it does raise concerns about the fundamentals of basketball, which are making FTs. If an argument was framed in that way, then yeah, I can see a concern for future bigmen out there getting worse from FTs but that's a different sentiment either way.

[Jackattaq]

Sickening, changing the rules for a select few individuals who won't do the work necessary to become competent at a basic skill of the sport. It's a damn shame, let's continue to reward individuals for their refusal to work hard when things get rough. (37% FT is ROUGH). Instead lets talk about Dre practicing his half court shots in practice after he hits his first of his career in a game. Yeah, he's obviously putting in the time to work on FT's. Sure you are buddy..........

[ComboGuardCity]

Defense should be able to point to Andre to make him shoot 3s.

[Blkbrd671]

There is one HUGE underlying difference between changes like widening the lane, adding a 3 point line, adding a shot clock, etc and changing hack-a-who fouls. That difference being those former changes REVOLUTIONIZED the game and had wide ranging impacts on how it it played. Changing hack rules is not going to have any tangible effect on NBA basketball on the whole, and it definitely isn't going to stop teams from intentionally fouling bad free throw shooters. These are apples to oranges references.

I don't think anybody is saying change can't be a good thing, they are simply saying this particular change isn't going to have much of an impact, if any.

its going to change how every team guards and game plans particular teams. (DEt,LAC,Hou) So yes its going to impact every single team.

[Collymore]

I hate watching the crap, for sure.

But i'd hate a rule change even more. Do we really need to create more poor little victims? Maybe give him a participation trophy for his effort?

Make your free throws, or pay the cost!

The Bernie generation seems to keep forgetting that in the real world, the piper must be paid.

It's hilarious that some people like this guy still believe they are changing the rules to save the guys that are being hacked. If Dre, Howard and other hacked guys "pay the cost" and get their feelings hurt/lose the game or not have exactly 0 impact on this decision.

[thesack12]

There is one HUGE underlying difference between changes like widening the lane, adding a 3 point line, adding a shot clock, etc and changing hack-a-who fouls. That difference being those former changes REVOLUTIONIZED the game and had wide ranging impacts on how it it played. Changing hack rules is not going to have any tangible effect on NBA basketball on the whole, and it definitely isn't going to stop teams from intentionally fouling bad free throw shooters. These are apples to oranges references.

I don't think anybody is saying change can't be a good thing, they are simply saying this particular change isn't going to have much of an impact, if any.

its going to change how every team guards and game plans particular teams. (DEt,LAC,Hou) So yes its going to impact every single team.

Seeing as how its a rarely used practice even while its currently legal, I think I'll just go ahead and say its safe to assume that its not going to have any kind of substantial impact in the future.

[Blkbrd671]

Seeing as how its a rarely used practice even while its currently legal, I think I'll just go ahead and say its safe to assume that its not going to have any kind of substantial impact in the future.

well obviously it will since its such a big deal, and when you have to change your strategy playing a team, well thats substantial

[thesack12]

Seeing as how its a rarely used practice even while its currently legal, I think I'll just go ahead and say its safe to assume that its not going to have any kind of substantial impact in the future.

well obviously it will since its such a big deal, and when you have to change your strategy playing a team, well thats substantial

Drummond is averaging 7.8 free throws per game
Jordan is averaging 7.7 free throws per game
Howard is averaging 7.0 free throws per game

Which means that on average all those 3 guys are getting fouled less than 4 times a game that leads to free throws. I'm confident that the vast majority of those fouls are of the shooting variety.

Teams are not using hack strategy as a foundation of their gameplans or defensive schemes. Its an option they choose to employ in select specific situations.

Lets stop acting like hack strategy is a rampant widespread issue.

[Blkbrd671]

Seeing as how its a rarely used practice even while its currently legal, I think I'll just go ahead and say its safe to assume that its not going to have any kind of substantial impact in the future.

well obviously it will since its such a big deal, and when you have to change your strategy playing a team, well thats substantial

Drummond is averaging 7.8 free throws per game
Jordan is averaging 7.7 free throws per game
Howard is averaging 7.0 free throws per game

Which means that on average all those 3 guys are getting fouled less than 4 times a game that leads to free throws. I'm confident that the vast majority of those fouls are of the shooting variety.

Teams are not using hack strategy as a foundation of their gameplans or defensive schemes. Its an option they choose to employ in select specific situations.

Lets stop acting like hack strategy is a rampant widespread issue.

its a strategy and part of game planing . if you take that away from teams, then obviously there is a impact on both strategy and game plan. That is a fact. I didn't say it was rampant, but it will impact every team.

[thesack12]

well obviously it will since its such a big deal, and when you have to change your strategy playing a team, well thats substantial

Drummond is averaging 7.8 free throws per game
Jordan is averaging 7.7 free throws per game
Howard is averaging 7.0 free throws per game

Which means that on average all those 3 guys are getting fouled less than 4 times a game that leads to free throws. I'm confident that the vast majority of those fouls are of the shooting variety.

Teams are not using hack strategy as a foundation of their gameplans or defensive schemes. Its an option they choose to employ in select specific situations.

Lets stop acting like hack strategy is a rampant widespread issue.

its a strategy and part of game planing . if you take that away from teams, then obviously there is a impact on both strategy and game plan. That is a fact. I didn't say it was rampant, but it will impact every team.

Nope, if they choose to put guys on the line they will just foul him as soon as he touches the ball. Intentional fouling and the logic behind it is not going anywhere

[Han Solo]

I hate watching the crap, for sure.

But i'd hate a rule change even more. Do we really need to create more poor little victims? Maybe give him a participation trophy for his effort?

Make your free throws, or pay the cost!

The Bernie generation seems to keep forgetting that in the real world, the piper must be paid.

The Bernie generation? Care to elaborate?

[Han Solo]

If it's a "get everything for free" response.. You're not very well-informed. Bernie Sanders is the ONLY politician not owned by crooks. Take that to the bank.

[Darko Miliminutes]

If it's a "get everything for free" response.. You're not very well-informed. Bernie Sanders is the ONLY politician not owned by crooks. Take that to the bank.

Yeah, he just wants to consolidate more control to our ridiculously corrupt government. Sounds awesome...

Piston's board though. So apologies for bringing the delusional socialist into it.

[MotownMadness]

If it's a "get everything for free" response.. You're not very well-informed. Bernie Sanders is the ONLY politician not owned by crooks. Take that to the bank.

IDK, He flat out admits to being a socialist and he's going to kill the middle class through taxes to give out all his handouts while adding another 18 trillion in debt as well. I think he's going to be terrible, I lost respect for him when he let Black Lives Matter rip his microphone out of his hand and told him to shut up. That's one weak Commander and Chief.

[Han Solo]

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Like I said, you're not very well informed. My last post on this.

[MrBigShot]

If it's a "get everything for free" response.. You're not very well-informed. Bernie Sanders is the ONLY politician not owned by crooks. Take that to the bank.

IDK, He flat out admits to being a socialist and he's going to kill the middle class through taxes to give out all his handouts while adding another 18 trillion in debt as well. I think he's going to be terrible, I lost respect for him when he let Black Lives Matter rip his microphone out of his hand and told him to shut up. That's one weak Commander and Chief.

The impression I got from was that he wants to bring back the middle class to what it should be. He has his flaws, don't get me wrong, but he's the most honorable candidate and he's not afraid to speak the truth. The rest (save for Trump, who has his own huge problems...lack of temperament, lack of knowledge/experience to name a few) are just puppets. I don't want someone who's agenda is driven by the billionaires that fund them.

Defense should be able to point to Andre to make him shoot 3s.

So, I don't suppose any of the pro hack-a-shaq group can explain to me why this is any different than removing the interaction and forcing Dre off the ball 80 feet from the basket to shoot FTs? He gets paid millions. Shouldn't he suck it up and learn to knock down an open three pointer? And shouldn't the defense be able to take advantage of his lack of shooting and force him to shoot threes? I mean, this is what he does for a living after all.

Edit: We wont have to deal with Dre being fouled while someone else attempts a FT anymore like the Clips did with Redick earlier in the year: http://www.si.com/nba/2016/02/07/nba-free-throw-line-foul-rule-flagrant