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Re: Trade deadline predictions 

Post#121 » by tradejunkie101 » Sun Feb 7, 2016 4:47 am

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I don't know about all that but I can promise you this: If you want a top 10 unprotected pick from Masai Ujiri, you're going to have to pry it out of his cold, dead hands. You have a snowball's chance in hell of getting the Knicks pick for that package.

However, something can be worked out involving Ross, Johnson, Scola and either one of our picks (not the Knicks one) or one of our prospects and a future second.

Truth is, there just isn't many teams with the need, assets and that are willing to take the risk on Markieff. I think that package is pretty reasonable.


From one team's perspective its reasonable, but from another its unreasonable. Tucker is also a huge part of this package, but people are trying to gloss over him like he's just a throw in and concentrating on Morris. With the combined upgrade Morris and Tucker would give the Raptors specifically, there's no way they get to upgrade their team without having to pay for it. If the Knicks continue to slide and that pick becomes too valuable, maybe the right compromise would to include both the 2017 Clippers 1st and the 2016 Raptors 1st. Only getting one of those picks is unreasonable. For just Tucker? Okay I could see that, but last time I checked the Raptors are in need of a PF first and foremost.


1 pick, a prospect and a second as well as Ross and expiring deals is a fair enough compromise.

Yes Toronto is getting Morris here but let's not kid ourselves - he's been pretty disappointing so far on average and he wants out of Phoenix. So it isn't like Toronto isn't taking any risk here.


Well what if the Suns are like most of us and think Ross is just meh? They simply may not see Ross as a compromise. I see what you're saying, but I still feel the risk is being overplayed. Morris will want to succeed wherever he goes next. He will be motivated to make it work. The risk is also mitigated by Tucker being part of the deal, so If it doesn't totally work on the floor you can always play Carroll at the 4 and Tucker at the 3. I doubt that happens though. Morris is talented enough to where you put him in a good situation and he will perform. He had another great game against the Jazz tonight. 17, 7 and 8 with 2 blocks and 2 3's. I'm sure you saw it when Morris had 30, 11 and 6 with 2 blocks against the Raptors the other night too. Percentages aren't there but that's what happens when you're the number 1 option on a lottery team.
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Re: Trade deadline predictions 

Post#122 » by Dr Positivity » Sun Feb 7, 2016 6:13 am

Asik/1st for Greg Monroe, ugly deal for Pelicans in my opinion but I don't see them being a very patient franchise right now
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Re: Trade deadline predictions 

Post#123 » by GFreak34 » Sun Feb 7, 2016 6:59 am

Asik for Monroe doesn't work (even with that 1st) coz nobody wants Asik and his heavy 5yrs contract along.. The bucks i m sure they ll pass on that.
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Re: Trade deadline predictions 

Post#124 » by Prokorov » Sun Feb 7, 2016 2:03 pm

vincecarter4pres wrote:Wonder if the surprise deal will be Ainge sending David Lee and Brooklyn's own pick back and maybe canceling the pick swap option in 2017 for Brook Lopez?


chance at ben simmons for brook lopez? not sure....

i think that becomes really unlikely when you consider fit with brook in boston
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Post#125 » by spree8 » Sun Feb 7, 2016 5:16 pm

oyoyer wrote:
spree8 wrote:Knicks Trade:

Carmelo Anthony


Get:

2016 1st round pick from the Brooklyn Nets
David Lee
Lance Stephenson



Celtics Trade:

2016 1st round pick from the Brooklyn Nets
2016 1st round pick from the Dallas Mavericks
David Lee
Jonas Jerebko


Get:

Blake Griffin



Clippers Trade:

Blake Griffin
Lance Stephenson


Get:

Carmelo Anthony
2016 1st round pick from the Dallas Mavericks
Jonas Jerebko


If the Clips would do Melo for Blake, why wouldn't the Knicks just take Blake for themselves?

LAC gets Anthony and O'Quinn
NYK gets Griffin and Stephenson

Simple deal. Knicks can lose Lance in the offseason no fuss no muss, and still get younger while not losing any star power. The Clippers improve firepower and chemistry to take a title run.


Because Blake is 27 and has a history of injuries. He also depends on athleticism a bit. We aren't in a position to contend, and swapping Melo for Blake wouldn't improve that. Both have never taken their teams out of the 2nd round of the playoffs. I think after all these years, it's time NY committed to a long-term proper rebuild for a change. I'd rather get a top 5 pick this year, put out a young team with some vets to help them develop, and get another top pick next year. Having Zingis, and two top draft picks should be a nice core to build around, especially when you add our other guys to the mix... Galloway, JGrant, Than, Early, Lance T, and some vets like RoLo for example.

...also still have nightmares about McDyess and Amare...don't want a repeat of that with Blake.


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isn't that very bad return for you guys. Only getting that for Melo seems like a pretty bad return


Na, not imo. Could it be better? Possibly, but under the circumstances, I wouldn't push the envelope. I've been in favor of trading Melo for a top lotto pick for quite some time. If we can get that along with some expirings, then I'm all in. Perhaps, we could get the Mavs' pick too, and maybe Boston sends a player that can help the Clippers more than the Mavs' pick could this year, but that's about it.
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Re: Trade deadline predictions 

Post#126 » by R-DAWG » Sun Feb 7, 2016 5:23 pm

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Not for the Raptors. Thad Young doesn't warrant that kind of return. Otherwise the Nets should just cut the Hawks out of the deal and take the Knicks pick. If they pressed for it I think the Hawks would be able to get a 2016 or 2017 Raptors 1st instead, which has marginally more value than the 2017 Clippers 1st.


teague has more value to us then the knicks pick... given we are rebuilding through free agency.

i dont know if the hawks do it for the raps 2016 pick, have to see what hawks fans think.


No he doesn't. Or at least he shouldn't. 1 year of prime Teague vs late lotto pick with 7 years of team control. Free agents aren't going to see the Nets as a more attractive proposition just because they have Teague on the final year of his deal. They will still have to overpay for any of the top guys. And I'm including RFA's like Beal, Barnes, Fournier and Clarkson in that list too.

What I'm saying is you don't need Teague to rebuild through free agency. Rondo will be very attainable for the Nets, especially when the Kings continue to be mismanaged the way they are. Rondo only went to the Kings because he was coming off a terrible spell in Dallas and no one was prepared to pay him. Then there is a certain Brooklyn native called Joakim Noah who is coming off shoulder surgery so he is very attainable too.


I kind of feel the Nets overpaying Rondo is like a lock this offseason. Bidding war between the Nets and Kings for Rondo
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Re: Trade deadline predictions 

Post#127 » by the_process » Sun Feb 7, 2016 5:24 pm

spree8 wrote:
oyoyer wrote:
spree8 wrote:Knicks Trade:

Carmelo Anthony


Get:

2016 1st round pick from the Brooklyn Nets
David Lee
Lance Stephenson



Celtics Trade:

2016 1st round pick from the Brooklyn Nets
2016 1st round pick from the Dallas Mavericks
David Lee
Jonas Jerebko


Get:

Blake Griffin



Clippers Trade:

Blake Griffin
Lance Stephenson


Get:

Carmelo Anthony
2016 1st round pick from the Dallas Mavericks
Jonas Jerebko


If the Clips would do Melo for Blake, why wouldn't the Knicks just take Blake for themselves?

LAC gets Anthony and O'Quinn
NYK gets Griffin and Stephenson

Simple deal. Knicks can lose Lance in the offseason no fuss no muss, and still get younger while not losing any star power. The Clippers improve firepower and chemistry to take a title run.


Because Blake is 27 and has a history of injuries. He also depends on athleticism a bit. We aren't in a position to contend, and swapping Melo for Blake wouldn't improve that. Both have never taken their teams out of the 2nd round of the playoffs. I think after all these years, it's time NY committed to a long-term proper rebuild for a change. I'd rather get a top 5 pick this year, put out a young team with some vets to help them develop, and get another top pick next year. Having Zingis, and two top draft picks should be a nice core to build around, especially when you add our other guys to the mix... Galloway, JGrant, Than, Early, Lance T, and some vets like RoLo for example.

...also still have nightmares about McDyess and Amare...don't want a repeat of that with Blake.


Yeah, NY has always been about win now and star power. That's never changing. 24 hour news cycle World Alpha Plus city and all. Blake and the Unicorn would be plastered up everywhere as the big highlight attraction.
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Re: Trade deadline predictions 

Post#128 » by spree8 » Sun Feb 7, 2016 5:35 pm

oyoyer wrote:
spree8 wrote:
oyoyer wrote:
If the Clips would do Melo for Blake, why wouldn't the Knicks just take Blake for themselves?

LAC gets Anthony and O'Quinn
NYK gets Griffin and Stephenson

Simple deal. Knicks can lose Lance in the offseason no fuss no muss, and still get younger while not losing any star power. The Clippers improve firepower and chemistry to take a title run.


Because Blake is 27 and has a history of injuries. He also depends on athleticism a bit. We aren't in a position to contend, and swapping Melo for Blake wouldn't improve that. Both have never taken their teams out of the 2nd round of the playoffs. I think after all these years, it's time NY committed to a long-term proper rebuild for a change. I'd rather get a top 5 pick this year, put out a young team with some vets to help them develop, and get another top pick next year. Having Zingis, and two top draft picks should be a nice core to build around, especially when you add our other guys to the mix... Galloway, JGrant, Than, Early, Lance T, and some vets like RoLo for example.

...also still have nightmares about McDyess and Amare...don't want a repeat of that with Blake.


Yeah, NY has always been about win now and star power. That's never changing. 24 hour news cycle World Alpha Plus city and all. Blake and the Unicorn would be plastered up everywhere as the big highlight attraction.



Not exactly. Under Donnie Walsh, we attempted a rebuild until the great 2010 FA period (had lotto picks 2 years in a row.) We went after Lebron, Wade, and so on. Missed out on the top notch guys, and settled for a broken Amare. That was the begining of the end. At that point we were halfway to competing and Dolan stepped in to make sure we traded for Melo in order to bring us to contention. That obviously failed.

Phil (who has full control) has been making rebuild-type moves. Clearing salary, signing solid players to decent contracts, and not cap killing ones, as well as bringing in a bunch of young talent through free agency or the draft (Galloway, JGrant, LThomas, Early, Than, RoLo, Afflalo.) And of course, Kris Porzingis. If we hadn't traded our pick under previous management, we'd be looking at yet another top 7-10 pick this year. So it's not really out of the realm of possibility that we extend the process a bit more to complete it. Melo obviously is going to want out soon enough, and I don't think Phil will bring in a player like him which would ultimately keep us in the same purgatory type situation we've been in. He'd likely attempt to get rebuilding pieces, because he's shown us that, that is what he's interested in doing already.
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Post#129 » by warren weel im » Mon Feb 8, 2016 2:08 am

I think this thread ought to be stickied.
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Post#130 » by Celts17Pride » Mon Feb 8, 2016 2:44 am

vincecarter4pres wrote:Wonder if the surprise deal will be Ainge sending David Lee and Brooklyn's own pick back and maybe canceling the pick swap option in 2017 for Brook Lopez?

No
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Post#131 » by Celts17Pride » Mon Feb 8, 2016 2:49 am

Celtics will trade David Lee's expiring contract, young players and 2-3 non Brooklyn first rounders for a player or players.
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Post#132 » by Spens1 » Mon Feb 8, 2016 3:55 am

spree8 wrote:
oyoyer wrote:
spree8 wrote:Knicks Trade:

Carmelo Anthony


Get:

2016 1st round pick from the Brooklyn Nets
David Lee
Lance Stephenson



Celtics Trade:

2016 1st round pick from the Brooklyn Nets
2016 1st round pick from the Dallas Mavericks
David Lee
Jonas Jerebko


Get:

Blake Griffin



Clippers Trade:

Blake Griffin
Lance Stephenson


Get:

Carmelo Anthony
2016 1st round pick from the Dallas Mavericks
Jonas Jerebko


If the Clips would do Melo for Blake, why wouldn't the Knicks just take Blake for themselves?

LAC gets Anthony and O'Quinn
NYK gets Griffin and Stephenson

Simple deal. Knicks can lose Lance in the offseason no fuss no muss, and still get younger while not losing any star power. The Clippers improve firepower and chemistry to take a title run.


Because Blake is 27 and has a history of injuries. He also depends on athleticism a bit. We aren't in a position to contend, and swapping Melo for Blake wouldn't improve that. Both have never taken their teams out of the 2nd round of the playoffs. I think after all these years, it's time NY committed to a long-term proper rebuild for a change. I'd rather get a top 5 pick this year, put out a young team with some vets to help them develop, and get another top pick next year. Having Zingis, and two top draft picks should be a nice core to build around, especially when you add our other guys to the mix... Galloway, JGrant, Than, Early, Lance T, and some vets like RoLo for example.

...also still have nightmares about McDyess and Amare...don't want a repeat of that with Blake.


Spens1 wrote:
isn't that very bad return for you guys. Only getting that for Melo seems like a pretty bad return


Na, not imo. Could it be better? Possibly, but under the circumstances, I wouldn't push the envelope. I've been in favor of trading Melo for a top lotto pick for quite some time. If we can get that along with some expirings, then I'm all in. Perhaps, we could get the Mavs' pick too, and maybe Boston sends a player that can help the Clippers more than the Mavs' pick could this year, but that's about it.


if you did send him to a Boston or maybe Dallas you would get better return i am sure. Dallas especially since Cuban would send their pick + a prospect or two
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Re: Trade deadline predictions 

Post#133 » by vincecarter4pres » Mon Feb 8, 2016 9:15 pm

I'll make a bold one. Kevin Love for either Brook Lopez or Blake Griffin.
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Post#134 » by KqWIN » Tue Feb 9, 2016 7:10 am

stitches wrote:Prediction: Trey Burke will be traded.

He's been losing minutes fast. Even with Burks injured, his playing time has been down lately and Quin has been finishing games with Neto more and more, or even with Ingles as a de facto PG when Neto got concussion in one of the games. Here are his minutes in the last 7 games: 19, 22, 19, 18, 19, 16, 3.

The time might be near...


Perhaps it's just wishful thinking, but I'm feeling that way too. It would not surprise me if Trey's parents have been asking for a trade. I'm not expecting a full blown Kanter situation, but I think Trey's representation will put pressure on DL to find him a new home.

Plus, we have this cryptic tweet from David Locke:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/Lockedonsports/status/696915560584470528[/tweet]
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Post#135 » by vincecarter4pres » Tue Feb 9, 2016 10:11 pm

warren weel im wrote:I think this thread ought to be stickied.

One can dream! :lol:
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Post#136 » by sportscrazy » Wed Feb 10, 2016 12:05 am

I see this trade deadline going two directions:

1. Not many teams are selling due to parity and cap increase leading to a total dud and lack of trade activity. Usually it takes one big deal to break the ice and get every one trading, but in this scenario, that first big ice-breaking deal never happens because the few teams that are selling keep holding out for more than what is offered and that stays true as the deadline passes.

2. One big trade happens between now and Thursday leading to a panic for the few sellers to get value now before another team does and for the buyers to get the deal done before another contender does. The parity situation could work both ways IMO. If no teams make a deal then I see parity kind of preventing any deals, but if two teams make a BIG trade then I see parity forcing teams to be scared of being left out of the playoff pack and a flurry of trade activity going down.

If it is scenario 2, I see the "ice breaker" trade being a multi-team trade involving Atlanta and Boston with Al Horford, Jeff Teague AND Kyle Korver all being involved as well as most of Boston's expiring contracts and a good amount of their draft picks spread across a few different teams to give both the Celtics and Hawks what they're looking for in return. Something like the Hawks sending Teague, Horford and Korver to Boston for a bunch of draft picks and expiring contracts followed by Atlanta sending those picks to another team to create a re-tooled team that doesn't do a full-on rebuild, but lands Atlanta players locked in longer than Horford's expiring deal. Boston, meanwhile, would keep Horford and Korver, but sell high on Teague to a fourth team to get back some of their assets lost to Atlanta as insurance for Horford's free agency.

Atlanta gets:
Team X Player(s) (locked into long contracts)

Boston gets:
Al Horford
Kyle Korver
Team Y Asset(s)

Team X gets:
Boston's expiring contracts and draft picks (through Atlanta)

Team Y gets:
Jeff Teague (through Boston)

I'll really have to analyze a bit to see what makes the most sense for the "fill in the blanks" parts of this trade, though. I really do think if we see something big go down, it will involve Boston, but like I said I could also see nothing happening altogether if teams keep holding out for more than what is available.
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Post#137 » by Mr Puddles » Wed Feb 10, 2016 3:25 am

Prokorov wrote:
vincecarter4pres wrote:Wonder if the surprise deal will be Ainge sending David Lee and Brooklyn's own pick back and maybe canceling the pick swap option in 2017 for Brook Lopez?


chance at ben simmons for brook lopez? not sure....

i think that becomes really unlikely when you consider fit with brook in boston


Also Boston has plenty of trade chips to be able to make this happen without having to include the Nets pick, especially if a third team is involved. E.g. something centered around:

Utah get:
Bradley

Nets get:
Olynyk, Lyles, Trey Burke, Mavs 2016

Celtics get:
Lopez

Seems fair for all parties involved. Utah gets a much needed PG and in the process solidifies itself as one of the premier defensive teams in the league.

Nets get an influx of youth and clear salary space for this offseason.

Boston gets a go to post scorer in Lopez without hurting their debt much
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Post#138 » by HartfordWhalers » Wed Feb 10, 2016 3:29 am

KqWIN wrote:
stitches wrote:Prediction: Trey Burke will be traded.

He's been losing minutes fast. Even with Burks injured, his playing time has been down lately and Quin has been finishing games with Neto more and more, or even with Ingles as a de facto PG when Neto got concussion in one of the games. Here are his minutes in the last 7 games: 19, 22, 19, 18, 19, 16, 3.

The time might be near...


Perhaps it's just wishful thinking, but I'm feeling that way too. It would not surprise me if Trey's parents have been asking for a trade. I'm not expecting a full blown Kanter situation, but I think Trey's representation will put pressure on DL to find him a new home.

Plus, we have this cryptic tweet from David Locke:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/Lockedonsports/status/696915560584470528[/tweet]


If Philly hadn't blown their wad on Ish Smith...
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Post#139 » by vincecarter4pres » Wed Feb 10, 2016 3:34 am

Mr Puddles wrote:
Prokorov wrote:
vincecarter4pres wrote:Wonder if the surprise deal will be Ainge sending David Lee and Brooklyn's own pick back and maybe canceling the pick swap option in 2017 for Brook Lopez?


chance at ben simmons for brook lopez? not sure....

i think that becomes really unlikely when you consider fit with brook in boston


Also Boston has plenty of trade chips to be able to make this happen without having to include the Nets pick, especially if a third team is involved. E.g. something centered around:

Utah get:
Bradley

Nets get:
Olynyk, Lyles, Trey Burke, Mavs 2016

Celtics get:
Lopez

Seems fair for all parties involved. Utah gets a much needed PG and in the process solidifies itself as one of the premier defensive teams in the league.

Nets get an influx of youth and clear salary space for this offseason.

Boston gets a go to post scorer in Lopez without hurting their debt much

It makes no sense for the Nets to trade Lopez without at least one dead legit blue chip piece coming back, so this is a no go.

From Boston they would need back their pick in this draft and the swap option removed in 2017.
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Post#140 » by vincecarter4pres » Wed Feb 10, 2016 3:43 am

I know most of my predictions have revolved around the Nets, so, let's keep it moving lol...

I could see the Nets making a move for Evan Fournier if Orlando doesn't find a big deal for Oladipo.

Maybe Bogdanovic with possibly RHJ in there for him.

It would make a lot of sense for both teams, as long as, as expected, Orlando is not looking to retain Fournier at his likely high price tag.

His cap hold would only be $5,720,512 for Brooklyn as long as he doesn't sign an offer sheet. Orlando would pick up a poor man's Fournier and if RHJ is in there, a Tony Allen type prospect on the first year of his late round rookie scale deal.
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