Trade Idea Thread 15-16

[dozencousins]

I know this is not a trade etc.

Hi Iv seen you have made a couple of post about Howard being traded, I'm curious if you know what's the latest on his situation? Thanks!

Believe it or not as of now their is not a big market for Howard right now . That could change though depending on if Houston's asking price lowers or not .
Washington would like him told they offered Nene plus for him but they will not offer any of their main core to get him so don't bet on them getting him but who knows at the end of the day .


Boston wants him but for Howard will not as of now give up the Nets unprotected pick to get him . Houston is very afraid of keeping Howard because with the Cap rising next year Howard is going to demand a lot more $$$$$ than he is getting now and that is really scary considering he is always injured and ever since leaving ORLANDO he has not been nearly the player he once was .
If Howard was on a longer contract or producing like he once had Boston likely would have already offered the Nets #1 pick and a deal would have been made . If Houston's asking price would not require the Nets #1 pick I would lean to Boston having agreed to the trade already . Boston would give the Nets picks in deals for Cousins , GRIFFIN & LOVE but will not for HOWARD or HORFORD .

IMO If I am Houston I would trade him because he will not be worth the amount of money now that he will get paid by 1 team or the other via free agency . He is not the same player he once was . So to get any good value for him is better than keeping a player whom will be grossly over paid or making 20-35 million per season riding the bench injured .

I know that some Rocket fans may love the guy but that is my opinion .

[ThatBoyNick]

I know that some Rocket fans may love the guy but that is my opinion .

Thanks for the update! Much appreciated.

I'm hoping Howard gets traded, well, I'm hoping everybody outside of Harden gets traded. The Rockets are 1.5 games away from falling to 9th seed, to say the least this season has been a disaster for the Rockets and they seriously need blow it up.

Hopefully the Celtics end up giving up a Nets pick, or perhaps Smart.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Exactly!

Boston fans think there worthless picks thrown in with useless role players will get them a star. News flash nobody wants olynk of Sullinger or that stupid nets pick if it's outside the top 2 picks. Seriously there proposals are insulting.

Smart?

Do you think Orlando would give those guys up, Vlade?

Do you think we're giving up a young player who just turned 25 who wants to be here who I think can be a top 5 player in a good situation?

He's not being moved IMO

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Yeah it's not like Demarcus Cousins has ever expressed unhappiness, or been a volatile teammate, or that the Kings have ever thought about trading him.. And obviously a top 5 pick in the draft is "stupid", I don't know what I was thinking.

Look you can disagree, but you don't have to act like my idea is blindingly idiotic.

What the Kings have really needed is to "soft tank" a little more.. But they're afraid of Cousins so they keep loading up on band-aid solutions..Marco Belinelli instead of force-feeding Mclemore possessions.. Theres a constant feeling like it's rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.. If it's not turned around within a year, there's going to be a trade demand..

Anyway if Boston was somehow able to get the Clippers to part with Blake, would the Kings give up Cousins for Griffin in a three-team deal?

[Jkam31]

Exactly!

Boston fans think there worthless picks thrown in with useless role players will get them a star. News flash nobody wants olynk of Sullinger or that stupid nets pick if it's outside the top 2 picks. Seriously there proposals are insulting.

Do you think we're giving up a young player who just turned 25 who wants to be here who I think can be a top 5 player in a good situation?

He's not being moved IMO

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Yeah it's not like Demarcus Cousins has ever expressed unhappiness, or been a volatile teammate, or that the Kings have ever thought about trading him.. And obviously a top 5 pick in the draft is "stupid", I don't know what I was thinking.

Look you can disagree, but you don't have to act like my idea is blindingly idiotic.

What the Kings have really needed is to "soft tank" a little more.. But they're afraid of Cousins so they keep loading up on band-aid solutions..Marco Belinelli instead of force-feeding Mclemore possessions.. Theres a constant feeling like it's rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.. If it's not turned around within a year, there's going to be a trade demand..

Anyway if Boston was somehow able to get the Clippers to part with Blake, would the Kings give up Cousins for Griffin in a three-team deal?

Yes but Cousins has to demand a trade and I mean demand it. I don't see blake getting traded though don't know why those rumors started he's the best player.
I'll tell you now we have a new arena next Vlade you'd have to be a fool to trade cousins for picks and think that arena will even be half full.

Packages Cousins would be moved for that will satisfy Vlade and ownership while keep the vibe and arena full.

Vuc, Gordon, oladipo
Russell, top 3 pick, randle
Crowder, Smart, top 5 pick
Okafor, top 3 pick
Nurik,Gallanari, top 8 pick

And yes those teams will give that up. Gms arnt dumb cousins is 26-12-2 25year old with 2 more years after this year




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[Crimson King]

I would consider an all-(theoretical) defense trade with the Rockets:

Rudy Gay, Darren Collison, Marco Belinelli
for
Trevor Ariza, Corey Brewer, Patrick Beverley

Cousins/Koufos
WCS/Acy
Ariza/Casspi
McLemore/Brewer
Rondo/Beverley

[Andrew McCeltic]

Exactly!

Boston fans think there worthless picks thrown in with useless role players will get them a star. News flash nobody wants olynk of Sullinger or that stupid nets pick if it's outside the top 2 picks. Seriously there proposals are insulting.





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Yeah it's not like Demarcus Cousins has ever expressed unhappiness, or been a volatile teammate, or that the Kings have ever thought about trading him.. And obviously a top 5 pick in the draft is "stupid", I don't know what I was thinking.

Look you can disagree, but you don't have to act like my idea is blindingly idiotic.

What the Kings have really needed is to "soft tank" a little more.. But they're afraid of Cousins so they keep loading up on band-aid solutions..Marco Belinelli instead of force-feeding Mclemore possessions.. Theres a constant feeling like it's rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.. If it's not turned around within a year, there's going to be a trade demand..

Anyway if Boston was somehow able to get the Clippers to part with Blake, would the Kings give up Cousins for Griffin in a three-team deal?

Yes but Cousins has to demand a trade and I mean demand it. I don't see blake getting traded though don't know why those rumors started he's the best player.
I'll tell you now we have a new arena next Vlade you'd have to be a fool to trade cousins for picks and think that arena will even be half full.

Packages Cousins would be moved for that will satisfy Vlade and ownership while keep the vibe and arena full.

Vuc, Gordon, oladipo
Russell, top 3 pick, randle
Crowder, Smart, top 5 pick
Okafor, top 3 pick
Nurik,Gallanari, top 8 pick

And yes those teams will give that up. Gms arnt dumb cousins is 26-12-2 25year old with 2 more years after this year




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So no one wants the Celtics' stupid pick, but.. almost every trade scenario you imagine has one in it?

Orlando's a good bet because they have a surplus of good young players.. The rest, though.. I don't think any of those teams are going to gut their rebuilding just for Cousins. Russell/Randle/Ingram and cap space is better for LA than Cousins and cap, and they could deal Randle separately toward a big man almost as good as Demarcus, or just sign someone like Horford outright.

The Kings just don't have enough leverage to demand that many assets from those teams.. Gallo/Nurkic/pick, maybe..

Time will tell, I guess. But it's a fantasy to think that if Cousins demands a trade, the offers will be better than they are now.

Hell, look at Rondo with us in Boston.. You guys were ready to give up IT, Ben, and 2 1sts until Rajon vetoed the deal. A few months later, we got Crowder, Wright and a 1st.

[Jkam31]

I'm not saying the nets pick is bad but you guys are leading with that as the best asset than adding Olynyk Sullinger, and other mediocre prices than out of the lottery picks. KD isn't going there to baby sit those guys compared to going to play with the best big in the league.

I disagree with the LA thing though. Cousins is more appealing to FA than russell/Simmons (let's say).

Yeah it's not like Demarcus Cousins has ever expressed unhappiness, or been a volatile teammate, or that the Kings have ever thought about trading him.. And obviously a top 5 pick in the draft is "stupid", I don't know what I was thinking.

Look you can disagree, but you don't have to act like my idea is blindingly idiotic.

What the Kings have really needed is to "soft tank" a little more.. But they're afraid of Cousins so they keep loading up on band-aid solutions..Marco Belinelli instead of force-feeding Mclemore possessions.. Theres a constant feeling like it's rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.. If it's not turned around within a year, there's going to be a trade demand..

Anyway if Boston was somehow able to get the Clippers to part with Blake, would the Kings give up Cousins for Griffin in a three-team deal?

Yes but Cousins has to demand a trade and I mean demand it. I don't see blake getting traded though don't know why those rumors started he's the best player.
I'll tell you now we have a new arena next Vlade you'd have to be a fool to trade cousins for picks and think that arena will even be half full.

Packages Cousins would be moved for that will satisfy Vlade and ownership while keep the vibe and arena full.

Vuc, Gordon, oladipo
Russell, top 3 pick, randle
Crowder, Smart, top 5 pick
Okafor, top 3 pick
Nurik,Gallanari, top 8 pick

And yes those teams will give that up. Gms arnt dumb cousins is 26-12-2 25year old with 2 more years after this year




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So no one wants the Celtics' stupid pick, but.. almost every trade scenario you imagine has one in it?

Orlando's a good bet because they have a surplus of good young players.. The rest, though.. I don't think any of those teams are going to gut their rebuilding just for Cousins. Russell/Randle/Ingram and cap space is better for LA than Cousins and cap, and they could deal Randle separately toward a big man almost as good as Demarcus, or just sign someone like Horford outright.

The Kings just don't have enough leverage to demand that many assets from those teams.. Gallo/Nurkic/pick, maybe..

Time will tell, I guess. But it's a fantasy to think that if Cousins demands a trade, the offers will be better than they are now.

Hell, look at Rondo with us in Boston.. You guys were ready to give up IT, Ben, and 2 1sts until Rajon vetoed the deal. A few months later, we got Crowder, Wright and a 1st.

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[Andrew McCeltic]

I'm not saying the nets pick is bad but you guys are leading with that as the best asset than adding Olynyk Sullinger, and other mediocre prices than out of the lottery picks. KD isn't going there to baby sit those guys compared to going to play with the best big in the league.

I disagree with the LA thing though. Cousins is more appealing to FA than russell/Simmons (let's say).

Yes but Cousins has to demand a trade and I mean demand it. I don't see blake getting traded though don't know why those rumors started he's the best player.
I'll tell you now we have a new arena next Vlade you'd have to be a fool to trade cousins for picks and think that arena will even be half full.

Packages Cousins would be moved for that will satisfy Vlade and ownership while keep the vibe and arena full.

Vuc, Gordon, oladipo
Russell, top 3 pick, randle
Crowder, Smart, top 5 pick
Okafor, top 3 pick
Nurik,Gallanari, top 8 pick

And yes those teams will give that up. Gms arnt dumb cousins is 26-12-2 25year old with 2 more years after this year




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So no one wants the Celtics' stupid pick, but.. almost every trade scenario you imagine has one in it?

Orlando's a good bet because they have a surplus of good young players.. The rest, though.. I don't think any of those teams are going to gut their rebuilding just for Cousins. Russell/Randle/Ingram and cap space is better for LA than Cousins and cap, and they could deal Randle separately toward a big man almost as good as Demarcus, or just sign someone like Horford outright.

The Kings just don't have enough leverage to demand that many assets from those teams.. Gallo/Nurkic/pick, maybe..

Time will tell, I guess. But it's a fantasy to think that if Cousins demands a trade, the offers will be better than they are now.

Hell, look at Rondo with us in Boston.. You guys were ready to give up IT, Ben, and 2 1sts until Rajon vetoed the deal. A few months later, we got Crowder, Wright and a 1st.

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The pick is the best asset. I think the idea I floated was BKN pick, Rozier, Young, Sullinger, David Lee, and the DAL and BOS 1sts.. That's not mediocre pieces, that's depth, that's trade chips, that's young players who will continue to get better.

You'd be surprised how much Sullinger could pick up of Cousins' rebounding.. Rozier looks like a cross between Collison and Tyreke Evans, James Young needs a babysitter but as long as he has one, his floor is Kyle Korver.. Just because you don't know Boston's prospects or have a track record of incubating them like we do, doesn't mean they're worthless. Then consider you're getting a blue-chipper like Simmons or Dunn or Ingram or Bender.. I mean sh*t, now I just want Boston to go sign Al Horford this summer.

You can't blame the Celtics for wanting to keep Crowder and Smart as the base that Cousins joins..

Also, Boston likes Cousins because he's available, he'd fit perfectly into our existing roster, and we have a rock-solid organizational structure and a group of character guys. But he's not Tim Duncan. He's a question mark, a risk.. No one's going to overpay for a guy who might quit basketball like Larry Sanders or change his name to Metta World War.

[dozencousins]

Say goodbye to KARL .

Kings are open for trade business more so than ever we will see now what happens .

[SacKingZZZ]

I would consider an all-(theoretical) defense trade with the Rockets:

Rudy Gay, Darren Collison, Marco Belinelli
for
Trevor Ariza, Corey Brewer, Patrick Beverley

Cousins/Koufos
WCS/Acy
Ariza/Casspi
McLemore/Brewer
Rondo/Beverley

yes, this would be very nice.

[raferfenix]

Curious if Karl's ouster impacts anything with Rondo.

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[SacKingZZZ]

I thought Rondos comments before the Nets game were very interesting. In talking about free agency he listed the coach and style of play as being very important in deciding where he goes. So, to me that either means he's as good as gone w/o Karl, or as good as gone with Karl.

[City of Trees]

I thought Rondos comments before the Nets game were very interesting. In talking about free agency he listed the coach and style of play as being very important in deciding where he goes. So, to me that either means he's as good as gone w/o Karl, or as good as gone with Karl.

Rondo is self aware. I like that about him.

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[dozencousins]

Guys have to mention this here because it has merit to what we may be doing coaching , trade moves etc. in the near future .

Knicks just fired head coach D.Fisher . Phil Jackson will likely not coach this season but they are hoping that the Kings do part with Karl and would give him consideration next season if Kings part ways with him . More importantly Knicks Brass was pissed about Fishers comments towards Rondo about the triangle offense etc. that is not the sole reason to firing him but it didn't help him because P.Jackson wants Rondo & wants him badly and is hoping for him via free agency or trade .

It is very likely we see P.JACKSON or KARL coach the Knicks next season I am leaning towards Jackson but it could be Karl especially if Knicks landed Rondo as Rondo does favor Karl as Karl's style of offense really pads Rondo's stats & is Rondo's preffered style of play .

Kings are talking to the heat about moving Gay now as well as still Clippers , Bulls & Pelicans

KINGS are now considering trading everyone but not WCS

CUZ is likely not going to be traded but it is now a slight possibility , Rondo could be dealt still I lean towards he won't but he could .
I will say this if CUZ does get traded Rondo will as well not likely to the same team though .

Activity IMO based on all I know today I expect something one way or the other happening today or tomorrow .

[WarriorsLakers]

Guys have to mention this here because it has merit to what we may be doing coaching , trade moves etc. in the near future .

Knicks just fired head coach D.Fisher . Phil Jackson will likely not coach this season but they are hoping that the Kings do part with Karl and would give him consideration next season if Kings part ways with him . More importantly Knicks Brass was pissed about Fishers comments towards Rondo about the triangle offense etc. that is not the sole reason to firing him but it didn't help him because P.Jackson wants Rondo & wants him badly and is hoping for him via free agency or trade .

It is very likely we see P.JACKSON or KARL coach the Knicks next season I am leaning towards Jackson but it could be Karl especially if Knicks landed Rondo as Rondo does favor Karl as Karl's style of offense really pads Rondo's stats & is Rondo's preffered style of play .

Kings are talking to the heat about moving Gay now as well as still Clippers , Bulls & Pelicans

KINGS are now considering trading everyone but not WCS

CUZ is likely not going to be traded but it is now a slight possibility , Rondo could be dealt still I lean towards he won't but he could .
I will say this if CUZ does get traded Rondo will as well not likely to the same team though .

Activity IMO based on all I know today I expect something one way or the other happening today or tomorrow .

send us cousins for Randle/Russell/black/nance and future unprotected 1st

[teerfour+40LG]

Knicks just fired head coach D.Fisher . Phil Jackson will likely not coach this season but they are hoping that the Kings do part with Karl

Haha, at first I was certain they were lining up for Thibs, and then I was certain that they were targeting Luke Walton, and now I am hearing they want Karl.

This is getting to be one wild ride.

[sdballer]

Guys have to mention this here because it has merit to what we may be doing coaching , trade moves etc. in the near future .

Knicks just fired head coach D.Fisher . Phil Jackson will likely not coach this season but they are hoping that the Kings do part with Karl and would give him consideration next season if Kings part ways with him . More importantly Knicks Brass was pissed about Fishers comments towards Rondo about the triangle offense etc. that is not the sole reason to firing him but it didn't help him because P.Jackson wants Rondo & wants him badly and is hoping for him via free agency or trade .

It is very likely we see P.JACKSON or KARL coach the Knicks next season I am leaning towards Jackson but it could be Karl especially if Knicks landed Rondo as Rondo does favor Karl as Karl's style of offense really pads Rondo's stats & is Rondo's preffered style of play .

Kings are talking to the heat about moving Gay now as well as still Clippers , Bulls & Pelicans

KINGS are now considering trading everyone but not WCS

CUZ is likely not going to be traded but it is now a slight possibility , Rondo could be dealt still I lean towards he won't but he could .
I will say this if CUZ does get traded Rondo will as well not likely to the same team though .

Activity IMO based on all I know today I expect something one way or the other happening today or tomorrow .

So Jackson physically can't coach anymore, they're committed to the triangle and to Anthony but they have an eye on Phil or Karl? Smh.

[Bohemian]

CUZ is likely not going to be traded but it is now a slight possibility , Rondo could be dealt still I lean towards he won't but he could .
I will say this if CUZ does get traded Rondo will as well not likely to the same team though .

Activity IMO based on all I know today I expect something one way or the other happening today or tomorrow .

Hello, another Celtics fan here hehe

You mentioned Boogie might now be traded...do you know if Ainge would be somehow related to this change of intentions?

Thanks

[dozencousins]

Guys have to mention this here because it has merit to what we may be doing coaching , trade moves etc. in the near future .

Knicks just fired head coach D.Fisher . Phil Jackson will likely not coach this season but they are hoping that the Kings do part with Karl and would give him consideration next season if Kings part ways with him . More importantly Knicks Brass was pissed about Fishers comments towards Rondo about the triangle offense etc. that is not the sole reason to firing him but it didn't help him because P.Jackson wants Rondo & wants him badly and is hoping for him via free agency or trade .

It is very likely we see P.JACKSON or KARL coach the Knicks next season I am leaning towards Jackson but it could be Karl especially if Knicks landed Rondo as Rondo does favor Karl as Karl's style of offense really pads Rondo's stats & is Rondo's preffered style of play .

Kings are talking to the heat about moving Gay now as well as still Clippers , Bulls & Pelicans

KINGS are now considering trading everyone but not WCS

CUZ is likely not going to be traded but it is now a slight possibility , Rondo could be dealt still I lean towards he won't but he could .
I will say this if CUZ does get traded Rondo will as well not likely to the same team though .

Activity IMO based on all I know today I expect something one way or the other happening today or tomorrow .

So Jackson physically can't coach anymore, they're committed to the triangle and to Anthony but they have an eye on Phil or Karl? Smh.

You can smh all you want however what I am saying is true . Jackson can coach still if he wants he can sit down & do so . He practically has done that through the majority of his coaching career .
I am not saying he will be coach I am saying their is a good chance of that next season it really depends on what the make up of his team is . He wants a few more really good pieces before he would coach again .He wants to set him eself up to walk into coaching a team he knows can be great as he always have .

As for Karl I laugh at that also . However Knicks want Rondo . Rondo likes Karl as a coach so if Rondo went to the Knicks via trade or free agent signing then I am saying Knocks would really consider hiring Karl he would have Rondo & reunite with Melo .
I am not saying that will happen . I am saying Knicks are seeing the Kings entire situation as a huge opportunity for them thus getting rid of Fisher now .It is possible Jackson could bring in Walton or bring back JVG as well to be clear .

[dozencousins]

CUZ is likely not going to be traded but it is now a slight possibility , Rondo could be dealt still I lean towards he won't but he could .
I will say this if CUZ does get traded Rondo will as well not likely to the same team though .

Activity IMO based on all I know today I expect something one way or the other happening today or tomorrow .

Hello, another Celtics fan here hehe

You mentioned Boogie might now be traded...do you know if Ainge would be somehow related to this change of intentions?

Thanks

I am told Kings are at least willing to here Bostons best offer for CUZ but it is still unlikely .

I know Celtics would have to trade CROWDER , NJ # pick , another # 1 pick at least and likely a deal were D.LEE , SMART ( not as likely ) , Sullinger , J. YOUNG or OLYNK would have to be involved some way

Also a posibilty of the Kings getting 3 1st round picks if a deal happens between u s & the Celtics .

Again I don't see a deal happening but Kings are listening to offers now though it will be more so on the down low meaning Kings will deny it via media if it is mentioned & will deny it until something actually happens if it happens ?
We are talking to the
LAKERS ,
CLIPPERS
CAVS
HEAT parts talked about WHITESIDE , WINSLOW , DRAGIC & DENG has been mentioned as they like GAY as well as CUZ
WASHINGTON
CHARLOTTE
BUCKS ( Inquired about Cuz but no deal likely for him )
KNICKS ( same as above as BUCKS )
BULLS ( see above BUCKS & KNICKS )
TORONTO
DENVER
PHILY
MAGIC

I realize this is a big list but a lot of teams are calling about CUZ ,
GAY , MAC , MARCO , KOUFAS & some about RONDO now are getting a lot of calls from teams as well .

I personally hope & want the KINGS to keep CUZ though .