Speculation: what offense will work on this roster?

[Laker_Kid]

I was reading about the possibility that Phil might make a return and thought about how the triangle might work (or not), I've also been thinking about DAntoni's run n gun with this roster.

I would think run n gun would be extremely fun to watch but can it win a championship? I feel like it can't, but can the triangle? In this day and age?

Currently, the team was supposedly running a variation of princeston and a bit of kobe isos and everybody iso and although there's been some improvement in the ball movement, it's still iso heavy and that's all our offense seems to run.

So here i am wondering what type of offense would best bring out the team's strength. Thoughts?


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[WVlakerfan]

I think motion offense with a heavy dose of pick and roll. Instead of calling set plays for players it would be more about reading the defense and going to the hot hand. On a side note I'm worried more about finding a defense that works for our personnel because that is what wins championships.

[Slava]

The triangle has many variations so it would certainly work with a team that likes to slow the pace or even a team that likes to push the tempo. The Kobe - Pau era triangle was essentially an uptempo pick and roll offense with the team being around 5th or 6th in pace until we moved Bynum into the starting line up for Odom.

I wouldn't mind that version of the triangle on this team but ideally this is a high screen and roll offense with Russell as the creative fulcrum and a roll man like Black surrounded by one other ball handler and a couple of passive shooters.

[Kilroy]

We have no back to the basket post player... I don't think the Triangle would work with this team, unless we could find a facilitating post player that can work with his back to the basket.
No anchor, no triangle IMO. And Hibbert doesn't seem like that dude.

I think the Pau era started with a pretty traditional triangle but as his motivation diminished, so did the purity of the Tri, to the point it really wasn't anymore.

The other points would be fine, Russell, Clarkson, Randle would be great in the Triangle. The back to the basket big man is getting pretty rare in this league now, which is why Phil's having trouble recapturing his greatness...

If we could land Marc Gasol, maybe it'd work...

Don't buy the 'Phil's coming back' narrative either... Nor do I think it would necessarily be a good thing. Phil is the past, we need to forge a strong future... I hope that can be through Walton and West's kid... But if not, maybe a guy like Ollie. Mitch is still pretty young and has never really been a problem either, despite what some want to believe. I think since his daughter died, he hasn't really been himself, but you don't fire a guy like that, or force him out, you promote him. Dump Jim if you must, promote Mitch and West's kid, and Hire Walton, and look toward the future.

[scoobs07]

We have no back to the basket post player... I don't think the Triangle would work with this team, unless we could find a facilitating post player that can work with his back to the basket.
No anchor, no triangle IMO. And Hibbert doesn't seem like that dude.

I think the Pau era started with a pretty traditional triangle but as his motivation diminished, so did the purity of the Tri, to the point it really wasn't anymore.

The other points would be fine, Russell, Clarkson, Randle would be great in the Triangle. The back to the basket big man is getting pretty rare in this league now, which is why Phil's having trouble recapturing his greatness...

If we could land Marc Gasol, maybe it'd work...

Don't buy the 'Phil's coming back' narrative either... Nor do I think it would necessarily be a good thing. Phil is the past, we need to forge a strong future... I hope that can be through Walton and West's kid... But if not, maybe a guy like Ollie. Mitch is still pretty young and has never really been a problem either, despite what some want to believe. I think since his daughter died, he hasn't really been himself, but you don't fire a guy like that, or force him out, you promote him. Dump Jim if you must, promote Mitch and West's kid, and Hire Walton, and look toward the future.

We would have to get a center like Okafor and a put a power forward next to him that could defend.

[ArC_man]

Something similar what Golden State has (which is basically an upgraded SSOL), our young players thrive in transition.

[Kilroy]

As far as what offense would work... With the exception of Hibbert, I think we have the makings of a pretty good 'showtime' style, transition offense... We just need a defensive anchor big man who can also score in the post when defenses react fast enough.

We have Randle to crash the boards and initiate the transition, we have Russell to run the break, we have Clarkson and Randle to attack and finish. We have Nance to be a 6th man, we may have Brown to be a 3 and D perimeter player and jump shooter.

We just need a massive upgrade at C. Whiteside?

That said, with the possible exception of Magic, the Showtime Lakers were all excellent defenders. Not sure if it would require a full DNA change or not but these guys all have to get better on D or get out IMO. I've had a belly full of good offense, no defense teams.

[LApwnd]

Easy...this man

[stan francisco]

Depends on how we complete the post Kobe roster.

[ratra_1211]

Double post

[ratra_1211]

Just something with a lot of cutting and spacing (which is what the current offense is not)

[Sedale Threatt]

With this current roster, as it stands today? There isn't an offense that's ever been created that will make a difference. We need to upgrade our talent about five times over before we start pondering questions like this.

[Sofa King]

The Spur's offense

[SlimShady83]

Run & gun team but include a few set plays every couple possessions

[Marionettetc]

The Ranadive special, "Cherry pick" offense.

[Michael Lucky]

Too many ISO players on this team, so it's hard to envision any type of offense working with the roster we currently have.

[crazyeights]

According to Phil and Tex:

Seven Principles of the Sound Offense

An effective offense, to my way of thinking, features the following dimensions.

1. Penetration. Players must penetrate the defense, and the best way to do this is the fast break, because basketball is a full-court game, from baseline to baseline.

2. Spacing. I am a fanatic about how players distribute themselves on the offensive end of the court. They must space themselves in a way that makes it most difficult to defend, trap, and help. Players must align a certain number of feet apart. In high school, I’d recommend 12 to 15 feet spacing, in college, 15 to18 feet, and in the NBA, 15 to 20 feet. Proper spacing not only exposes individual defensive players’ vulnerabilities, but also ensures that every time the defense tries to trap, an offensive player will be open.

3. Ball and player movements. Players must move, and must move the ball, with a purpose. Effective off-the-ball activity is much more important than most fans and players think because they’re so used to watching only the movement of the ball and the player in possession of it. But there is only one ball and there are five players, meaning most players will have the ball in their hands 20 percent or less of the time the team is in possession of the ball.

4. Options for the ball handler. The more options a smart player has to attack a defender, the more successful that offensive player will be. When teammates are all moving to positions to free themselves (or another teammate with a pick), the ball handler’s choices are vastly increased.

5. Offensive rebounding and defensive balance. On all shots we take, players must go strong for the rebound while retaining court balance and awareness to prevent the opponent’s fast break.

6. Versatile positioning. The offense must offer to any player the chance to fill any spot on the court, independent of the player’s role. All positions should be interchangeable.

7. Use individual talents. It only makes sense for an offense to allow a team to take advantage of the skill sets of its best players. This doesn’t preclude the focus on team play that is emphasized in the six other principles, but it does acknowledge that some individuals have certain types and degrees of talent, and an offense should accentuate those assets. Michael Jordan taught me this.

Finally, I want the offense to flow from rebound to fast break, to quick offense, to a system of offense. The defenses in the NBA are so good because the players are so big, quick, and well coached. Add the pressure that the 24-second clock rule applies to the offense to find a good shot, and the defense gets even better.

The triangle offense has proven most effective, even against such obstacles, when players commit to and execute the system. The offense hinges on players attending to minute details in executing not just plays but also the fundamentals underlying the plays. Once players have mastered the individual techniques required of their roles, we then integrate those individuals into a team. Once this is done, the foundation for a good offense is solidly in place. The team can then go on the court with the confidence and poise so essential to success.

This method of play is as old as basketball. The triangle set is adjustable to the personnel, but such adaptations can be made without altering the essence of the offense. The only necessary adjustment from one season to the next involves tailoring the series of options based on each individual’s talents.

http://www.humankinetics.com/excerpts/excerpts/learn-the-seven-dimensions-of-a-sound-offense

[PKABOOICU]

If D'antoni was coaching, D'Lo would be in the running for ROY