Hill for Teague (RUMOR)

[JERG]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/240725/Pacers-Offering-George-Hill-To-Hawks-In-Package-For-Jeff-Teague

I love this possible deal. It would be a step in the right direction. I see us trading Ellis if this goes through though because of redundancy. Teague is also a hometown player just like Hill. Budenholzer is also a fan of Hill and coached him for 3 years in San Antonio. If we make this deal and a couple to clean up the problems it would cause (no distributing PGs, although Teague averages 5 apg), we would come out of it a much better team once Team Chemistry heals up.

[boomershadow]

I really hope we don't do this. Which means we probably will.

But I really don't like the idea of an Ellis/Teague back court. Ellis needs the ball in his hands to be effective. If you want a point guard that can stand in the corner to shoot 3s and be good on defense, we have that guy already. Teague isn't bad at either of those things, but he is a downgrade from Hill in both aspects. And he is better than Hill with the ball in his hands, but every moment that he does is a moment that Ellis doesn't. And Ellis without the ball in his hands is much less effective than Hill without the ball.

I know Pacers fans have been wanting to get rid of Hill since forever, but I think it's a bad idea.

[JERG]

Teague is a better player overall. Not as good of a shooter, granted, but better at everything else. He's a good defender, is a point guard (Hill is just masquerading as one) and can score in more than one way. Hill is only elite at shooting. Even then, he is not dead-eye enough to be a Redick or Korver, so that hole can be filled when he is gone. But Teague however is an elite slasher, and a great mid range shooter. He is an annoying defender, and also runs a team better. Again I say that if this deal happens (which looks unlikely now) then we will deal Ellis. He hasn't been what we have expected him to be. He is more of a facilitator here and has not been that 20+ ppg guy we wanted him to be. He's inefficient, is aging, and he's also been somewhat of a ball hog. This team needs a change, and we need to choose a direction, whether it be for a half court offense, or a fast-paced uptempo style. Teague can take us in either of those directions.

[boomershadow]

I see Hawks fans not liking the idea. I think it would be a great move for them. It would be a huge upgrade for them for depth in their back court. Right now they have two point guards wanting minutes. For them, Hill could split time between the one and two spots. And be a better shooter than Korver has been this season.

[pacers33granger]

I don't think Teague is better than Hill. I have them damn near equal and I think Hill fits better for us. Honestly, I feel that this rumor may be coming from the Hawks camp to try and drive Teague's price up. I have to imagine the Hawks offered us Teague for Hill hoping that Hill could start alongside Schroeder and also be the backup PG.

While it'd be too rich for Atlanta, I'd counter with Hill/Stuckey/2nd or minor prospect for Teague/Korver.

[Grang33r]

I have always loved Teague and the style of game he plays. This would be a great addition. I am not sure how he'd fit, no way Teague could play with Ellis IMO, so Ellis would need to move to the bench. But i'm sure Vogel and the coaching staff have thought about this while discussing the deal with our upper management. Very exciting though, despite being a big George Hill fan.

[basketballwacko2]

I don't think Teague is better than Hill. I have them damn near equal and I think Hill fits better for us. Honestly, I feel that this rumor may be coming from the Hawks camp to try and drive Teague's price up. I have to imagine the Hawks offered us Teague for Hill hoping that Hill could start alongside Schroeder and also be the backup PG.

While it'd be too rich for Atlanta, I'd counter with Hill/Stuckey/2nd or minor prospect for Teague/Korver.

I agree Teague is no better than GH, what about trading Monta and Solo plus a 2nd or 2.

[JERG]

You guys must not be watching any of the Atlanta games. The dude can light it up and pass better than Hill. Hill is a good shooter, but he is also a slow shooter and will never be a volume scorer the way we need. Teague is not only better than Hill but he is better than '16 Ellis too. We do not need to stand pat. We aren't winning anything this season unless we fix this team and pick a direction. We can't be successful as a half court team with this team nor can we as a running team. We need change.

[JERG]

Looks like their expectations are too high for us to make a serious offer for Teague. I doubt we would offer any of our core pieces for him so looks like this deal is probably dead unless they cool it with the expectations.

[GrandBasterd]

Boooooo.

Monta and Hill have complimentary skill sets which coaching JUST started figuring out how to wield. Teague plus Monta is redundant and awful, we would have to bring one of those off the bench and put CJ miles starting at the 2 or trade Monta. If we do the former, how is that gunna help Joe young to grow as a player. Kid needs minutes. If we do the latter, what the **** is that saying to the team. They trade HILL a hometown awesome and beloved longtime teammate, then trade our prize free agent veteran leader who is leading the team on and off the court months after we sign him. The players are gunna feel real great about playing for the organization after that and what they did to Hibbert.

Just a **** show.

George hill should have been playing the 2 his entire career. He's an insane catch and shoot player, and now that he can get the ball in different spots to attack, with someone else orchestrating things, he's being aggressive and efficient and awesome.

Compare Monta's and Teagues seasons. They are close, I think Monta's is better, and dude deferred the ball for the first two months with a brand new team, new coaches new offense.

[8305]

Overall I think Teague is an upgrade over George Hill. If this doesn't go down now we ave to work with a player who knows he's not wanted. Either way good luck toFrank Vogal, trying to make a Teague/ Ellis backcourt work or mollify Geoge Hill post trade rumor.

[chube]

George Hill probably knows it's a business. After all, he got traded away from a premiere franchise for a pick, not even a proven commodity (the fact that he was traded home probably softened that a little, but still.)

I'm not too worried about Hill becoming a locker room cancer if nothing happens here.


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[JERG]

George Hill is not the type to play with less intensity over something like this. I don't think he will hold a grudge. But I do wish we could keep him instead of trading him. The more I think about it the more I value his unselfishness.

[Miller4ever]

George Hill does everything well that sails under the radar. He plays great team ball on both ends, doesn't make mistakes, rebounds, converts opportunities, gets hockey dimes. It also makes him score poorly in the eye test. I understand Teague's appeal. I just want people to understand that George Hill is incredibly valuable.

[Moooose]

Not liking this at all. George Hill has better intangibles than Teague. Maybe better basketball IQ too. Teague's slight advantage in stats may project otherwise, but if one is to go beyond stats, I think Hill still has the edge.

[boomershadow]

C'mon, George Hill isn't going to be affected by his name popping up in a rumor. Especially not to go play for his former coach.

The most common opinion I see around seems to be that Teague is a better player in isolation, but that Hill is a better fit.

[Wizop]

Atlanta is shopping Teague because Shroeder wants to start. we probably called and they said GHill. I hope we hung up. we're at our best when GHill is aggressive.

[boomershadow]

The other thing that bothers me about trading Hill for Teague is while Hill is older than Teague, I think Hill has the type of game that will age better than Teague's. In that sense, Hill being a slightly better shooter and defender than Teague does make a difference imo. And the ability to play the 2 spot when his quickness declines.

[Pacersike]

Is Hill going to age at Bankers life Fieldhouse though? He is a great PG for big and slower lineups, he still travels to San Antonio to practice in summer and I doubt he is fully happy with the role he has now on our team.

Even though Teague and Ellis are not a good fit, I feel like we have a better chance at re-signing Jeff because he is better suited to play at a faster pace than Hill.

[basketballwacko2]

I have always loved Teague and the style of game he plays. This would be a great addition. I am not sure how he'd fit, no way Teague could play with Ellis IMO, so Ellis would need to move to the bench. But i'm sure Vogel and the coaching staff have thought about this while discussing the deal with our upper management. Very exciting though, despite being a big George Hill fan.

I liked Teague too especially in the 2009 draft when as you know we passed up Jeff and took Hansbrough at 13 even though we desperately needed a point guard. IF we'd picked Jeff then there would have been no need to trade the rights to Kawhi Leonard in 2011 for George Hill. Can you imagine the team we would have had with Hibbert, West, Leonard, PG and Teague?
But like my Dad used to say, "If your Aunt had balls she'd be Uncle."