Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max

[RexBoyWonder]

Comparing Whiteside to Wade, Zo, Shaq is just ridiculous on so many levels.

3 of them are hall famers that led teams to multiple championships, one is a 26YO vet minimum guy that we got from the Dleague and has yet to prove he can help a team win 1 playoffs game.

Yes, he has more to prove then those 3 guys. This is how life works.

[contract]

Comparing Whiteside to Wade, Zo, Shaq is just ridiculous on so many levels.

3 of them are hall famers that led teams to multiple championships, one is a 26YO vet minimum guy that we got from the Dleague and has yet to prove he can help a team win 1 playoffs game.

Yes, he has more to prove then those 3 guys. This is how life works.

I don't care what they are. The idea that it's OK openly criticize teammates because they are lower on the food chain is a recipe for a train wreck. Veterans and leaders should be held to a higher standard, not a lower one.

[heat4life]

Whiteside has brought this to himself. When he plays good and is focused everyone asks about his potential, you read articles of how great he can be etc. But when he makes stupid decisions such as the last one, these are the type of questions out there. He feeds the fire. Who is the only one that can control that? Whiteside.

The guys running their mouths can control that. I'm sure that Wade wouldn't have appreciated Lebron being honest on his way out of town.

You speak as if Wade or Bosh never got criticized or asked those type of questions. Should I remind you what this team went through during the big 3 years? Bosh getting dumped on in Toronto. Wade constantly having to talk about being unhealthy. All are valid questions just like the Whiteside questions. It's the nature of the NBA. Why does that need to be avoided for Hassan? If it bothers Hassan that people talk about his attitude then maybe he needs to look in the mirror and work on stopping that narrative.

People spoke of Wade's health for years. Until this season when he decided to work at changing that narrative (at Riley's urging) the talk has quieted down. Plus, you still haven't said what exactly did Bosh or Wade said that was detrimental to Hassan? They didn't.

[contract]

Whiteside has brought this to himself. When he plays good and is focused everyone asks about his potential, you read articles of how great he can be etc. But when he makes stupid decisions such as the last one, these are the type of questions out there. He feeds the fire. Who is the only one that can control that? Whiteside.

The guys running their mouths can control that. I'm sure that Wade wouldn't have appreciated Lebron being honest on his way out of town.

You speak as if Wade or Bosh never got criticized or asked those type of questions. Should I remind you what this team went through during the big 3 years? Bosh getting dumped on in Toronto. Wade constantly having to talk about being unhealthy. All are valid questions just like the Whiteside questions. It's the nature of the NBA. Why does that need to be avoided for Hassan? If it bothers Hassan that people talk about his attitude then maybe he needs to look in the mirror and work on stopping that narrative.

People spoke of Wade's health for years. Until this season when he decided to work at changing that narrative (at Riley's urging) the talk has quieted down. Plus, you still haven't said what exactly did Bosh or Wade said that was detrimental to Hassan? They didn't.

You can't see the difference between players talking about themselves, and players talking about their teammates?

[Rich2Hassan]

The guys running their mouths can control that. I'm sure that Wade wouldn't have appreciated Lebron being honest on his way out of town.

You speak as if Wade or Bosh never got criticized or asked those type of questions. Should I remind you what this team went through during the big 3 years? Bosh getting dumped on in Toronto. Wade constantly having to talk about being unhealthy. All are valid questions just like the Whiteside questions. It's the nature of the NBA. Why does that need to be avoided for Hassan? If it bothers Hassan that people talk about his attitude then maybe he needs to look in the mirror and work on stopping that narrative.

People spoke of Wade's health for years. Until this season when he decided to work at changing that narrative (at Riley's urging) the talk has quieted down. Plus, you still haven't said what exactly did Bosh or Wade said that was detrimental to Hassan? They didn't.

You can't see the difference between players talking about themselves, and players talking about their teammates?

You make valid points, but honestly just let it go. It's more posters on this forun who really really don't like Hassan as a player or person, so you most likely will not get your point across. It's a very small number of us who is watching this unfold and know right vs wrong. Just let it go man.

[heat4life]

The guys running their mouths can control that. I'm sure that Wade wouldn't have appreciated Lebron being honest on his way out of town.

You speak as if Wade or Bosh never got criticized or asked those type of questions. Should I remind you what this team went through during the big 3 years? Bosh getting dumped on in Toronto. Wade constantly having to talk about being unhealthy. All are valid questions just like the Whiteside questions. It's the nature of the NBA. Why does that need to be avoided for Hassan? If it bothers Hassan that people talk about his attitude then maybe he needs to look in the mirror and work on stopping that narrative.

People spoke of Wade's health for years. Until this season when he decided to work at changing that narrative (at Riley's urging) the talk has quieted down. Plus, you still haven't said what exactly did Bosh or Wade said that was detrimental to Hassan? They didn't.

You can't see the difference between players talking about themselves, and players talking about their teammates?

I must've missed the part where Wade and Bosh called a press conference to talk about Hassan.

Plus, again, what did they said that was detrimental? That he needs to work on not losing his temper? That he had a lapse? That they are still supporting him regardless? I mean, the elephant is in the room. What do you want, for other players and reporters to ignore it? At the end of the day Wade and Bosh are the leaders in that locker room and need to hold all players accountable. Of course reporters are going to flock to them with those questions which is why you don't see a Justise Winslow or Josh Richardson quote. If there was, what weight would that hold? Let's have some common sense.

[OtW]

On a side note, can we please stop with this crazy "let's trade Hassan" talk? Everyone, their mothers, and I know that no team is going to take a one year rental on him when they have no clear advantage to re-sign him over other suiters. Plus, after spending the entire Big 3 era waiting for a tough rebounding/shot-blocking center who did not have stone hands like Joel Anthony to come our way, we finally have one with all of the talent in the world and people are ready to trade him? That's **** preposterous. Remember how everyone was saying that despite LeBron's play in the 2011 NBA finals and the bench being anemic to scoring (and Mike Bibby forgetting how to shoot 3's dear lord), we still would have won if we had somebody to box out Chandler and challenged every shot at the rim (because back in 2011 Bosh was getting absolutely burned on D and still did not know how to play in our system) we would have won? Remember when people here, myself included, thought that Samuel **** Dalembert would have been the key to a championship run because we would have a rebounding body in the paint? Let me repeat that again: Samuel **** Dalembert was supposed to be a key cog during the big 3 era during free agency, Shane Battier many thought was the consolation prize. People on Twitter and the GB **** bricks when conversations were coming out that the Heat and Dalembert had mutual interest. He didn't sign with us, and the rest is history. The dude turned out to be a big locker room problem with all of the following teams he went to (lost his starting job in HOU and got fat).

Hassan is everything we wanted in a center and them some with his talent and his occasional flashes of scoring touch aside from alley-oops and put backs. You don't give up on somebody like that. If we do gamble on Hassan and give him a good deal this summer, then I am willing to live with it. I don't think we will give him the max, but let's face it, he is going to command money and for good reason. With talent that good, you need to roll the dice. If all turns out well, Hassan will be up there among our great centers. While it all depends upon his willingness to continue to learn and improve his game every summer, it is something he can definitely achieve.

I don't believe that we are anywhere near the point where we can/should give up on Hassan.

[Heat3]

Comparing Whiteside to Wade, Zo, Shaq is just ridiculous on so many levels.

3 of them are hall famers that led teams to multiple championships, one is a 26YO vet minimum guy that we got from the Dleague and has yet to prove he can help a team win 1 playoffs game.

Yes, he has more to prove then those 3 guys. This is how life works.

you kidding me? zo was no hall of famer or champion in 1998 when he cost this team a playoff loss. we cannot hold whiteside to the standard of these guys are held to today. i hold him to the standard they were in at similar points in their career. i remember zo acting up and costing his team when the stakes were higher AND he was much more experienced.

[heat4life]

So Whiteside has been suspended for 1 game. Hopefully that puts his story to rest.

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[RexBoyWonder]

Comparing Whiteside to Wade, Zo, Shaq is just ridiculous on so many levels.

3 of them are hall famers that led teams to multiple championships, one is a 26YO vet minimum guy that we got from the Dleague and has yet to prove he can help a team win 1 playoffs game.

Yes, he has more to prove then those 3 guys. This is how life works.

you kidding me? zo was no hall of famer or champion in 1998 when he cost this team a playoff loss. we cannot hold whiteside to the standard of these guys are held to today. i hold him to the standard they were in at similar points in their career. i remember zo acting up and costing his team when the stakes were higher AND he was much more experienced.

Are U kidding me?

Zo in 98 was X1000 more proven then Whiteside is today.

Hell, Zo as a rookie was more proven then 26Yo Whiteside. Nobody questioned Zo's impact on the floor, or his future as a stud in the NBA.

We absolutely need to hold Whiteside to the standards of today. The game is a lot less physical, the rules changed, the culture changed. Saying we should ignore the way the game changed is like saying Whiteside should only practice once a week because that's how much Wilt practiced "WHY THE DOUBLE STANDARD HASSAN IS JUST AS WORTHY AS WILT AS A PERSON BOO-HOO".

It's dumb. He plays in todays league, he better get with the program, he's a grown ass man.

[3ballbomber]

Comparing Whiteside to Wade, Zo, Shaq is just ridiculous on so many levels.

3 of them are hall famers that led teams to multiple championships, one is a 26YO vet minimum guy that we got from the Dleague and has yet to prove he can help a team win 1 playoffs game.

Yes, he has more to prove then those 3 guys. This is how life works.

I don't care what they are. The idea that it's OK openly criticize teammates because they are lower on the food chain is a recipe for a train wreck. Veterans and leaders should be held to a higher standard, not a lower one.

Man, you still on this?

Again, i gotta provide a source directly associated w/ not only the league but our very own Miami Heat organization to reiterate my point to make you understand why you can't compare Hassan w/ Shaq, Zo etc..

Q: I watched the video of Whiteside's ejection numerous times and didn't think it was a big deal, certainly not worse than what goes on in YMCA pickup games every day. Granted, he hit above Marjanovic's shoulders and therefore automatically warrants a flagrant foul. But I don't understand why he was sent home after being ejected? Did he erupt in the locker room? He seemed under control when he left the court. I also don't understand why this is a referendum on his maturity and upcoming free agency. Remember what Alonzo Mourning was like early in his career? -- David.

A: I agree that the foul was innocuous. But an NBA player has to know the rules and appreciate the consequences. I think the Heat were not exactly pleased with some of Hassan' media responses earlier in the week and didn't want comments that would linger over the All-Star break. And your Zo point is reasonable, except Zo was far, far more of a proven commodity even when he arrived to the NBA than Hassan is now. So the rules are different for certain players. And if ever there was a player who would benefit by staying within the rules, it's Hassan. With so much at stake, every moment matters. It's as if that message doesn't always take hold with Hassan.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-heat/heat-blog/sfl-miami-heat-ask-ira-rony-seikaly-s021116-story.html

We shouldn't even be entertaining your argument...... i'm not sure why i am

[D' Winner Within]

Barkley said: "Hassan will always be Hassan"

[Heat3]

Comparing Whiteside to Wade, Zo, Shaq is just ridiculous on so many levels.

3 of them are hall famers that led teams to multiple championships, one is a 26YO vet minimum guy that we got from the Dleague and has yet to prove he can help a team win 1 playoffs game.

Yes, he has more to prove then those 3 guys. This is how life works.

you kidding me? zo was no hall of famer or champion in 1998 when he cost this team a playoff loss. we cannot hold whiteside to the standard of these guys are held to today. i hold him to the standard they were in at similar points in their career. i remember zo acting up and costing his team when the stakes were higher AND he was much more experienced.

Are U kidding me?

Zo in 98 was X1000 more proven then Whiteside is today.

Hell, Zo as a rookie was more proven then 26Yo Whiteside. Nobody questioned Zo's impact on the floor, or his future as a stud in the NBA.

We absolutely need to hold Whiteside to the standards of today. The game is a lot less physical, the rules changed, the culture changed. Saying we should ignore the way the game changed is like saying Whiteside should only practice once a week because that's how much Wilt practiced "WHY THE DOUBLE STANDARD HASSAN IS JUST AS WORTHY AS WILT AS A PERSON BOO-HOO".

It's dumb. He plays in todays league, he better get with the program, he's a grown ass man.

You don't get it at all. Zo was more proven, more experienced, had more responsibility put on his shoulders back then AND HE STILL ACTED THE FOOL AND COST THIS TEAM DEARLY! I think its ass backwards to drop the hammer on guys that are just starting out but look the other way on the actual leaders of the team. I hold leaders and veterans to a higher standard than I do the young guys.

and when i say hold him to the standard of today, i mean the part when you mention Zo as a hall of famer. that is just assine to compare a 2nd year player to the accomplishments of an entire nba career. you compare them to where they were at the same points in their career. zo at more advanced points of his career acted up much worse than this guy and he wasn't treated as a child in response to it.

[HeatGuyInChicago]

Mourning was highly criticized during that time. What Whiteside is experiencing is nothing different. Whiteside has not proven that his play affects winning on a consistent basis. If I was a GM, I would be getting cold feet on giving big money to a player that does not help the team win all the time and acts immaturely.

[Hallstar]

you kidding me? zo was no hall of famer or champion in 1998 when he cost this team a playoff loss. we cannot hold whiteside to the standard of these guys are held to today. i hold him to the standard they were in at similar points in their career. i remember zo acting up and costing his team when the stakes were higher AND he was much more experienced.

Are U kidding me?

Zo in 98 was X1000 more proven then Whiteside is today.

Hell, Zo as a rookie was more proven then 26Yo Whiteside. Nobody questioned Zo's impact on the floor, or his future as a stud in the NBA.

We absolutely need to hold Whiteside to the standards of today. The game is a lot less physical, the rules changed, the culture changed. Saying we should ignore the way the game changed is like saying Whiteside should only practice once a week because that's how much Wilt practiced "WHY THE DOUBLE STANDARD HASSAN IS JUST AS WORTHY AS WILT AS A PERSON BOO-HOO".

It's dumb. He plays in todays league, he better get with the program, he's a grown ass man.

You don't get it at all. Zo was more proven, more experienced, had more responsibility put on his shoulders back then AND HE STILL ACTED THE FOOL AND COST THIS TEAM DEARLY! I think its ass backwards to drop the hammer on guys that are just starting out but look the other way on the actual leaders of the team. I hold leaders and veterans to a higher standard than I do the young guys.

and when i say hold him to the standard of today, i mean the part when you mention Zo as a hall of famer. that is just assine to compare a 2nd year player to the accomplishments of an entire nba career. you compare them to where they were at the same points in their career. zo at more advanced points of his career acted up much worse than this guy and he wasn't treated as a child in response to it.

A regular 2nd year player isn't going to be about to earn 20 mil per. The Whiteside thing is an issue because the Heat are on a very short clock with a lot of cap space on the line

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[TroubleS0me]

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[3ballbomber]

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didn't listen to any of that....just watched Rachel

[RexBoyWonder]

Q: Ira, I get so infuriated with all the blind Hassan Whiteside support. I think these fans don’t understand the game of basketball. Basketball is so much more than rebounds and block shots and making shots, for that matter. Basketball is about trust and team and knowing that the guy next to you is a professional and will make the right play at the right time and think team first. And I'm not talking about the elbow he threw; that's the least of my concern. I'm talking about the many times he takes plays or even games off, because he is upset he isn’t getting enough minutes, or the ball wasn't passed to him when he had position in the low block. -- Yunasi, Miami Beach.


A: And you know what you do with players like that? You cultivate and rehabilitate and mentor. I'm just confounded by this mindset seemingly of, "Well, we'll just go out and get another Whiteside." Has everyone suddenly forgotten about how long it took the Heat to find another center after Alonzo Mourning was done? Are you truly willing to punt on this and head back the Joel Anthony path?

[Sgt P]

Comparing Whiteside to Wade, Zo, Shaq is just ridiculous on so many levels.

3 of them are hall famers that led teams to multiple championships, one is a 26YO vet minimum guy that we got from the Dleague and has yet to prove he can help a team win 1 playoffs game.

Yes, he has more to prove then those 3 guys. This is how life works.

I don't care what they are. The idea that it's OK openly criticize teammates because they are lower on the food chain is a recipe for a train wreck. Veterans and leaders should be held to a higher standard, not a lower one.

There is much that open to the public so the situation is f*ed. Lost in all this drama, is lost of focus. What are we doing? The focus is not on winning. I hear, money, system and legacy being stressed. Smh....

I took a different approach to the season. Need to reduce the rage and mellow out. I think we are good, overall. Health has been better than last year. Just bad attitudes by more than one person. I think we will have a better record post asg. The talent is unquestionable there so attitude is left. Negativity never spawns positive change.

[CanesHeatFins]

So basically we're about to make the same mistake that the 90's Hornets made in trading/giving up on a too passionate young talented center to go all in with past their prime vets. So much overreaction over a flop, and zero focus on anything wrong with this team not named Hassan. The sissyfication of America strikes again. Hopefully Pat isn't too infected with today's ultra sensitive society to make a dumb trade that has us leaning too heavy on old legs.

You have a player who is only the 6th option on offense thats giving you the best PER rating from the center position in the entire league, and you dudes are on here trying to trade him for a bag of chips.

But on the brightside we must have something pretty good coming down pike, because the last time we did these types of idiotic rotations & scapegoating of a young talented prospect(Beasley), we had LBJ coming on down with a wink wink deal with his boys.