Phil won't admit this: He needs a modern PG

[dakomish23]

Don't be a Trump. Phil had to agree to the decision and knowing who to trust is a big part. Also he made several great FA moves. His coaching choice did not pan out, but Phil has done one thing better than any GM we have seen in the past 30 years and that is HE HASNT SCREWED OUR FUTURE. If Phil trades our 2018 pick, offers a 2017 pick swap, that is when I get my pitch fork. Phil has not been swayed to make the "opportunistic" move and get a marginal pg for a "future pick". He has appropriately valued draft picks and made efforts to collect as many as he can, specifically when he has targets in mind. So far, a few picks have "busted" (as badly as 2nd round picks can I suppose) and the one big error we all experienced was not picking up Shane Larkins extra year. Galloway-Larkin could have easily become our Fisher-Lue pg tandem.

For those who are actually paying attention to what Phil is doing -- he is acquiring talent that fits roles. Every player he adds slides other pieces into a better place. We are, of course, 1 big piece away from contention, but we are ONLY one big piece from contention. We have Melo, who, at worst, will be a "3rd option" type at the end of this contract, Porzingis, right now BEST slots in as a 3rd option, and he will ideally ascend, so all we will need is a capable 2nd option type. We have heard whispers of Westbrook (has the kobe mentality, why not?)

Pitchfork for trading the 2018 pick? You also prob want to sign great free agents too. You think they'll care if the team as a 1st in 2018? No they'll want to see players already on the roster. A Jeff Teague type would help a lot more in signing a free agent than having that pick still

Both the 2018 and 2020 picks should be available for the right trade.

Jeff Teague isn't a player you give up future picks for. He barely makes us a playoff team.

Future 1sts from a team in our position go out for impact players.

Jeff Teague was the starting PG on a 60 win team last year. He is above impactful. And on a team like this, which is beyond desperate for PG play, that already high impact will have twice the effect.

One thing if you don't want to trade a pick for him specifically. But don't diminish his actual and proven value

[GONYK]

Pitchfork for trading the 2018 pick? You also prob want to sign great free agents too. You think they'll care if the team as a 1st in 2018? No they'll want to see players already on the roster. A Jeff Teague type would help a lot more in signing a free agent than having that pick still

Both the 2018 and 2020 picks should be available for the right trade.

Jeff Teague isn't a player you give up future picks for. He barely makes us a playoff team.

Future 1sts from a team in our position go out for impact players.

Jeff Teague was the starting PG on a 60 win team last year. He is above impactful. And on a team like this, which is beyond desperate for PG play, that already high impact will have twice the effect.

One thing if you don't want to trade a pick for him specifically. But don't diminish his actual and proven value

I said he would barely get us in the playoffs, which would be a 10-15 game improvement than the pace we are on.

How is that diminishing the value of a 1-time all-star who has had maybe 2-3 noteworthy seasons in his career?

[Johnny Hoops]

Michael Carter-Williams is the guy I'd target at this point.

Big, young and could still develop a more consistent jumpshot.

Avery Bradley
Lavine
Oladipo
Jrue
Teague
McCollum
Mcw
Archie Goodwin
Wroten
Jimmer

Unless we get into some big costly deal I think the first 6 guys on your list are too expensive - though all attractive.

MCW seems more attainable while still having potential. We obviously don't love Wroten/ Jimmer and Goodwin I don't view as a real PG.

[dakomish23]

Jeff Teague isn't a player you give up future picks for. He barely makes us a playoff team.

Future 1sts from a team in our position go out for impact players.

Jeff Teague was the starting PG on a 60 win team last year. He is above impactful. And on a team like this, which is beyond desperate for PG play, that already high impact will have twice the effect.

One thing if you don't want to trade a pick for him specifically. But don't diminish his actual and proven value

I said he would barely get us in the playoffs, which would be a 10-15 game improvement than the pace we are on.

How is that diminishing the value of a 1-time all-star who has had maybe 2-3 noteworthy seasons in his career?

Your last sentence said you would only trade a pick for impact players.

10-15 games sure seems impactful

[nykballa2k4]

Pitchfork for trading the 2018 pick? You also prob want to sign great free agents too. You think they'll care if the team as a 1st in 2018? No they'll want to see players already on the roster. A Jeff Teague type would help a lot more in signing a free agent than having that pick still

Both the 2018 and 2020 picks should be available for the right trade.

Jeff Teague isn't a player you give up future picks for. He barely makes us a playoff team.

Future 1sts from a team in our position go out for impact players.

Jeff Teague was the starting PG on a 60 win team last year. He is above impactful. And on a team like this, which is beyond desperate for PG play, that already high impact will have twice the effect.

One thing if you don't want to trade a pick for him specifically. But don't diminish his actual and proven value

Where do you rate Teague in the league as far as point guards go?

[GONYK]

Jeff Teague was the starting PG on a 60 win team last year. He is above impactful. And on a team like this, which is beyond desperate for PG play, that already high impact will have twice the effect.

One thing if you don't want to trade a pick for him specifically. But don't diminish his actual and proven value

I said he would barely get us in the playoffs, which would be a 10-15 game improvement than the pace we are on.

How is that diminishing the value of a 1-time all-star who has had maybe 2-3 noteworthy seasons in his career?

Your last sentence said you would only trade a pick for impact players.

10-15 games sure seems impactful

To a sh*tty team with such a singular point of failure? Sure.

To an actual team, Teague is just an above average starter.

Teams with our record shouldn't be trading 1sts for Jeff Teague.

[dakomish23]

Jeff Teague isn't a player you give up future picks for. He barely makes us a playoff team.

Future 1sts from a team in our position go out for impact players.

Jeff Teague was the starting PG on a 60 win team last year. He is above impactful. And on a team like this, which is beyond desperate for PG play, that already high impact will have twice the effect.

One thing if you don't want to trade a pick for him specifically. But don't diminish his actual and proven value

Where do you rate Teague in the league as far as point guards go?

I'd say probably somewhere in the 10-15 range

Curry
Westbrook
CP3
Wall
Lowry
Irving
Lillard
Rondo
Thomas
Conley
Teague
Jackson
Kemba

[moocow007]

Kyle OQuinn is not playing and has 3 years left on his contract. MCW is playing and would be the best shot creator and defensive guard on this team. If the Bucks are willing to do a swap around these guys what is the harm? That MCW could destroy the teams exceptional play?

[dakomish23]

I said he would barely get us in the playoffs, which would be a 10-15 game improvement than the pace we are on.

How is that diminishing the value of a 1-time all-star who has had maybe 2-3 noteworthy seasons in his career?

Your last sentence said you would only trade a pick for impact players.

10-15 games sure seems impactful

To a sh*tty team with such a singular point of failure? Sure.

To an actual team, Teague is just an above average starter.

Teams with our record shouldn't be trading 1sts for Jeff Teague.

Getting an above average starter for a 1st rd pick is a good deal. If you don't want to trade the pick to ensure we can go full tank if we do a rebuild, I can dig it. But teams with our record, who primarily have that record primarily because of miserable play at a specific position, should be ecstatic to fill that position at the cost of 1 first rd pick.

He's 26 and entering his prime. This for me is not just about this season. It's about:

Having the position filled with your answer for the foreseeable future. We won't be trying to answer this question all season next year.

Maximizing his low cap number to get other pieces that can help us truly become a contender

I don't even think he's a top 10 PG, just somewhere in the 10-15 range. Having that would be amazing us both long and short term

[GONYK]

Your last sentence said you would only trade a pick for impact players.

10-15 games sure seems impactful

To a sh*tty team with such a singular point of failure? Sure.

To an actual team, Teague is just an above average starter.

Teams with our record shouldn't be trading 1sts for Jeff Teague.

Getting an above average starter for a 1st rd pick is a good deal. If you don't want to trade the pick to ensure we can go full tank if we do a rebuild, I can dig it. But teams with our record, who primarily have that record primarily because of miserable play at a specific position, should be ecstatic to fill that position at the cost of 1 first rd pick.

He's 26 and entering his prime. This for me is not just about this season. It's about:

Having the position filled with your answer for the foreseeable future. We won't be trying to answer this question all season next year.

Maximizing his low cap number to get other pieces that can help us truly become a contender

I don't even think he's a top 10 PG, just somewhere in the 10-15 range. Having that would be amazing us both long and short term

I honestly don't really see him as a long-term piece.

I would consider trading the 1st for Schroeder though

[dakomish23]

Kyle OQuinn is not playing and has 3 years left on his contract. MCW is playing and would be the best shot creator and defensive guard on this team. If the Bucks are willing to do a swap around these guys what is the harm? That MCW could destroy the teams exceptional play?

I don't want trade KOQ, but man could we use some shot creation and penetration.

[dakomish23]

To a sh*tty team with such a singular point of failure? Sure.

To an actual team, Teague is just an above average starter.

Teams with our record shouldn't be trading 1sts for Jeff Teague.

Getting an above average starter for a 1st rd pick is a good deal. If you don't want to trade the pick to ensure we can go full tank if we do a rebuild, I can dig it. But teams with our record, who primarily have that record primarily because of miserable play at a specific position, should be ecstatic to fill that position at the cost of 1 first rd pick.

He's 26 and entering his prime. This for me is not just about this season. It's about:

Having the position filled with your answer for the foreseeable future. We won't be trying to answer this question all season next year.

Maximizing his low cap number to get other pieces that can help us truly become a contender

I don't even think he's a top 10 PG, just somewhere in the 10-15 range. Having that would be amazing us both long and short term

I honestly don't really see him as a long-term piece.

I would consider trading the 1st for Schroeder though

In what ways is Dennis a better player? Not analytic wise. His game specifically IE better shooter, better vision. Ive heard a lot of media members question giving the keys to Schroeder over Teague, so I'm seriously asking. I never thought he was any great shakes before the Teague rumors came up.

Maybe you see something I don't

[GONYK]

Getting an above average starter for a 1st rd pick is a good deal. If you don't want to trade the pick to ensure we can go full tank if we do a rebuild, I can dig it. But teams with our record, who primarily have that record primarily because of miserable play at a specific position, should be ecstatic to fill that position at the cost of 1 first rd pick.

He's 26 and entering his prime. This for me is not just about this season. It's about:

Having the position filled with your answer for the foreseeable future. We won't be trying to answer this question all season next year.

Maximizing his low cap number to get other pieces that can help us truly become a contender

I don't even think he's a top 10 PG, just somewhere in the 10-15 range. Having that would be amazing us both long and short term

I honestly don't really see him as a long-term piece.

I would consider trading the 1st for Schroeder though

In what ways is Dennis a better player? Not analytic wise. His game specifically IE better shooter, better vision. Ive heard a lot of media members question giving the keys to Schroeder over Teague, so I'm seriously asking. I never thought he was any great shakes before the Teague rumors came up.

Maybe you see something I don't

Simply because he's younger and has room to grow. I think Teague is who he is.

[aj49689]

MCW at a low cost is best way to go, I doubt Phil decides to go that route. Develop our guards and wait for the future to give us a better opportunity to build the right team.