2015/2016 Miami Heat Is it the Players or the Coach?

[QUIZ]

Spurs are very good at playing their game and they do it because mindlessly following trends will lead you nowhere. C's are not just good because they can chuck a large amount of shots up, there's like a million other factors. Trends exist because of teams that are willing to go against the grain. We could get a farm of chuckers and still not be better than the Spurs.

Team that scores the most points usually wins; game will always be about how teams match-up.

So go to the opposite end of the spectrum? Cool

[Bishop45]

Spurs are very good at playing their game and they do it because mindlessly following trends will lead you nowhere. C's are not just good because they can chuck a large amount of shots up, there's like a million other factors. Trends exist because of teams that are willing to go against the grain. We could get a farm of chuckers and still not be better than the Spurs.

Team that scores the most points usually wins; game will always be about how teams match-up.

So go to the opposite end of the spectrum? Cool

Not what I'm saying/not what I said.

[Hallstar]

I said that on Monday Rex and people told me that the Heat were doing the right thing by ignoring the 3pt shot and instead trying to get to the rim more.

This isn't 1990! Whether or not a shot goes in isn't all that you should think about. High volume 3pt shooting leads to success in todays NBA. A 33% three pointer is the equivalent of a 50% two pointer. It's the reason why a team like the Celtics can shoot a mediocre percentage from three and still win games.

Over a larger sample things will balance themselves out. Yeah they're missing 18 out of the 27 three's that they put up every night but they don't let that fact stop them for shooting so much. They'll have nights where they can't buy a three and they'll have nights where they go 15/30 it's the nature of the shot and we need to embrace it.

Why are you telling me this, that was my point all along - we need shooters THAT ARE COMOFTERABLE TAKING MORE 3's. I've been telling you this for ages. Shooters shot much more then non shooters, from a bigger variety of spots on the 3 point line, without waiting for super clean looks, and they hit a better % long term.

Said this in October, November, December....

[Chalm Down]

### Because opponents don’t fear several of the Heat’s perimeter shooters, Chris Bosh said Heat players are being left unguarded on the perimeter far more than ever before in his 5 1/2 years here. He said trying “to get in that upper part of the East, it's tough to do that without shooting.”

Though he says “I'm always a believer in making due with what you have, we could always use another shooter. Everybody could. It's a perceived weakness we have and it's something we have to get over.”

The Heat, scanning the trade market for a three-point shooter, is making 32.3 percent of its threes, 28th in the league and among the lowest in team history. Miami’s 15-win teams in its first season (1988-89) and in 2007-08 both shot threes better than this one.

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/sports-buzz/2016/02/more-former-dolphins-having-cognitive-problems-mark-richt-implements-new-rules-heat-chatter-quantita.html#storylink=addthis

[QUIZ]

### Because opponents don’t fear several of the Heat’s perimeter shooters, Chris Bosh said Heat players are being left unguarded on the perimeter far more than ever before in his 5 1/2 years here. He said trying “to get in that upper part of the East, it's tough to do that without shooting.”

Though he says “I'm always a believer in making due with what you have, we could always use another shooter. Everybody could. It's a perceived weakness we have and it's something we have to get over.”

The Heat, scanning the trade market for a three-point shooter, is making 32.3 percent of its threes, 28th in the league and among the lowest in team history. Miami’s 15-win teams in its first season (1988-89) and in 2007-08 both shot threes better than this one.

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/sports-buzz/2016/02/more-former-dolphins-having-cognitive-problems-mark-richt-implements-new-rules-heat-chatter-quantita.html#storylink=addthis

Well it'd help if you stopped bricking 3's CB. Since January 1st Bosh is shooting 30% on three pointers. 28.2% in the last 10 games.

[Mugiwara]

50% coach.
15% management. (because this group of players doesn't really fit)
35% players.

[dolphinatik]

Mike and Mike had a good point they said there are really only 4 different making coaches out there in the nba, the rest don't matter. Teams like Boston and the spurs have elite coaches but majority of teams rely on talent. We are in the majority so it's not like that is a disadvantage. Most nights coaching is a wash and at the end of the day we still have all stars where some teams don't.

[Heat3]

both.

mostly the players though. we have a stubborn as coach. and stubborn ass players too. i heard spo saying that he told Dragic to push the pace to get the other guys to run. right there i knew why we don't run. our desired offense is merely a suggestion to the new guy that he get the established veterans to run which is something they don't want to do. not a very good job of getting your guys to buy into an offense....

yet they seem to be good on defense so maybe if the coach decided to not spend 99% of the time on defense and allocate some time to offense they'd improve there too...

[smartcane]

While in PHO Dragic never attempted less than three 3s a game and was closer to 4 most seasons. He also took 12 - 14 shots a game. In Miami he is shooting 2.8 3s a game and is taking around 10 shots a game. Wade on the other hand is shooting 16 shots a game. Wade is the better talent on the team but Dragic is the better person to run the offense through. That is because Dragic is the better passer and the better shooter. As a true PG Dragic can get everyone better shots and his shooting will keep the lane more open. With Bosh and Dragic as the offensive focal point it would open up the lane for Wade, Deng and Winslow. So the issue with this team is due to the coach unable or un willing to go to Wade and make this point. It is also an issue with Wade because he is too dominating with the ball and sometime other players just don't feel involved.

[Heat03]

While in PHO Dragic never attempted less than three 3s a game and was closer to 4 most seasons. He also took 12 - 14 shots a game. In Miami he is shooting 2.8 3s a game and is taking around 10 shots a game. Wade on the other hand is shooting 16 shots a game. Wade is the better talent on the team but Dragic is the better person to run the offense through. That is because Dragic is the better passer and the better shooter. As a true PG Dragic can get everyone better shots and his shooting will keep the lane more open. With Bosh and Dragic as the offensive focal point it would open up the lane for Wade, Deng and Winslow. So the issue with this team is due to the coach unable or un willing to go to Wade and make this point. It is also an issue with Wade because he is too dominating with the ball and sometime other players just don't feel involved.

Wade is on a completely different level than Dragic in passing in playmaking. Dragic is definitely not better.

[Heat03]

Speaking of the celtics Woj suggested they trade Lee jerebko and 2 first rounders for Howard. If that happens we have a problem.

[smartcane]

While in PHO Dragic never attempted less than three 3s a game and was closer to 4 most seasons. He also took 12 - 14 shots a game. In Miami he is shooting 2.8 3s a game and is taking around 10 shots a game. Wade on the other hand is shooting 16 shots a game. Wade is the better talent on the team but Dragic is the better person to run the offense through. That is because Dragic is the better passer and the better shooter. As a true PG Dragic can get everyone better shots and his shooting will keep the lane more open. With Bosh and Dragic as the offensive focal point it would open up the lane for Wade, Deng and Winslow. So the issue with this team is due to the coach unable or un willing to go to Wade and make this point. It is also an issue with Wade because he is too dominating with the ball and sometime other players just don't feel involved.

Wade is on a completely different level than Dragic in passing in playmaking. Dragic is definitely not better.

Wade lack of shooting hurts this team because the rule change that happen a couple years ago allows for zone type of defense and the best way to beat a zone is to shoot them out it. Dragic shooting more put more pressure on the defense which can loosen them up.

[Sign5]

While in PHO Dragic never attempted less than three 3s a game and was closer to 4 most seasons. He also took 12 - 14 shots a game. In Miami he is shooting 2.8 3s a game and is taking around 10 shots a game. Wade on the other hand is shooting 16 shots a game. Wade is the better talent on the team but Dragic is the better person to run the offense through. That is because Dragic is the better passer and the better shooter. As a true PG Dragic can get everyone better shots and his shooting will keep the lane more open. With Bosh and Dragic as the offensive focal point it would open up the lane for Wade, Deng and Winslow. So the issue with this team is due to the coach unable or un willing to go to Wade and make this point. It is also an issue with Wade because he is too dominating with the ball and sometime other players just don't feel involved.

Wade is on a completely different level than Dragic in passing in playmaking. Dragic is definitely not better.

Wade lack of shooting hurts this team because the rule change that happen a couple years ago allows for zone type of defense and the best way to beat a zone is to shoot them out it. Dragic shooting more put more pressure on the defense which can loosen them up.

What does that have to do with you saying Dragic is a better play-maker which is false?

Also Dragic shoots 33% from 3 so he isn't exactly a sniper like he was in PHX and is only a percentage point up from Wade shooting mid range jumper so the shooting aspect tends to be overstated (with current-day Dragic).

Dragic deferring to Wade is on Dragic, he's the PG of the team and we've all seen that his aggressiveness varies from game to game where we're hoping "hopefully he does this all game and in the future!" but so far he's been sporadic.

I agree that we need to speed up the tempo to fully accommodate him and run more plays for him(or it's a waste of a signing) but I disagree that Heat need to completely turn Wade back in off-the ball like he did with LeBron. LeBron is LeBron and Dragic Dragic, it's not comparable.


The major problem here is Deng, you plug in a Batum and no one is talking about trading Dragic or benching Wade. Unfortunately it's highly unlikely such a deal transpires.

[cyclix]

When are we going to stop blaming Dragic woes on Wade? Since preseason for crying out loud. Now his family is with him and he is getting some plus they got his fellow countryman Udrih on the team to socialize with, what is his next excuse for his overrated, overpaid contract?

[QUIZ]

Thanks for contributing. I think the thread has served its purpose.

The blame goes somewhere between the players and the coach.

It's easy to say shoot more three's but if the players won't do it then what're you gonna do? I remember Deng saying that Spo wanted him to take 6 three's a game well that didn't happen lol. So some does go on the personal as well. I still do think that we;re underachieving and that Spo knows his defense but not a thing about offense...

It is what it is. I'm gonna close this now. No point in beating a dead horse especially if nothings going to change anytime soon.

Thanks again.