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Post#921 » by bwgood77 » Fri Feb 12, 2016 4:28 am

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I'm guessing the last thing Portland wants is to get that bad boy "jailblazers" reputation back after trying to get rid of it for so long, plus they have to be really high on Mccolumm, and probably Vonleh as well. Of course Phx would do that.

edit....just saw similar post by saintescaton after posting it.


lol, i literally almost past your post as i thought it was Saintescation.


CJ and lillard i do believe are redundant, while that doesn't make CJ less valuable, it does leave question marks about how the franchise views him moving forward. again i don't think Mook and Kieff are the 2nd coming of the jailblazers, but i have a higher perception of them than most.


Well I think Portland is vastly overachieving compared to expectations and they are very young. I doubt they would want to jeopardize that ESPECIALLY taking on the potential risk of the twins.
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Post#922 » by Mulhollanddrive » Fri Feb 12, 2016 4:44 am

If you say Redundant Point Guards, Ryan McDonough wakes up from sleep.
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Post#923 » by saintEscaton » Fri Feb 12, 2016 4:58 am

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(wise color font) "when you meet a fool one day, you just met a fool. When everybody you meet in a day is a fool, maybe the fool is you"


When our team is the laughingstock of the entire league and everybody treats us like a joke, i ask you who is the fool now? I definitely consider our FO as the biggest fools in the NBA


What did you expect from this season? Because we're probably better off with the pick we're heading to and a decent return for Markieff than giving him away or including Archie, for instance, to get rid of him and battling for the 8 seed.

The FO drafted Len, Archie, Booker, Warren, Bogdan in the last 3 drafts, particularly given the picks they had. Apparently the biggest fools in the NBA are the best drafters.


Anointing them the "best drafters" is a little premature, dontcha think? Booker is the only surefire stud out of that group. Archie/Bogdan will compete for a spot in a logjammed backcourt and project as rotational wings. Archie a flawed slasher who can look for others get to the line at a nice clip but will always be an athlete trying to be an NBA player. Bogdan is at best a Belinelli Lite shooter off the bench an hasn't done much in Fenerbahçe to inspire high expectations. Both flash some two way potential on occasion but not consistently. Len's ceiling is a serviceable starting center and Warren's is a low maintenance Sixth Man scorer if he doesn't diversify his skillset, improve on the other end or prove capable of creating his own offense on an expanded volume.
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Post#924 » by Mulhollanddrive » Fri Feb 12, 2016 5:47 am

5 - Len
13 - Booker
14 - Warren
18 - Ennis
29 - Goodwin
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Post#925 » by jcsunsfan » Fri Feb 12, 2016 5:49 am

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Post#926 » by nevetsov » Fri Feb 12, 2016 7:09 am

Would love to see the Raps dethrone the Cavs this year, but I think they need a little more juice to get over that hump. Especially with Carroll out indefinitely and a big hole at PF, compounded by nagging injuries to key guys like Derozan and Johnson.

If Carroll is indeed out for an extended period, I would see if they'd entertain a Knight-Carroll swap. Both have similar value IMO:

- both had breakout, near all star seasons last year
- both signed to similar deals in the offseason
- both started the season slow and have been beset with injuries since.

If Knight Is ready to go after the All Star break, consider the potential of pairing him in the backcourt with a bulldog PG like Lowry. He'd provide outside shooting to complement the slashing of Lowry/ Derozan.

Derozan can move to SF to start the game, however you can move Knight to PG in spurts and play Derozan at SG. Off the bench you have role players in Joseph (play making), Ross (shooting) and Johnson (defense).

If we can package that with a Markieff / CLE pick for Patterson/ NY pick that'd be even better. I'd even include Leuer for Scola as value.


Lowry, Joseph
Knight, Ross
Derozan, Johnson
Morris, Leuer
Valenciunas, Biyombo

Very balanced and very versatile, you could throw out some interesting lineups.

EDIT: forgot to discuss the Why for PHX. With Carroll out for most of the season (potentially), we get to continue the youth development for the next 30 games and then next season add Bledsoe, Carroll and a top pick to Booker, Len, Goodwin and Warren:

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Carroll, Warren
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Post#927 » by silverstyne » Fri Feb 12, 2016 7:51 am

AtheJ415 wrote:
silverstyne wrote:
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(wise color font) "when you meet a fool one day, you just met a fool. When everybody you meet in a day is a fool, maybe the fool is you"


When our team is the laughingstock of the entire league and everybody treats us like a joke, i ask you who is the fool now? I definitely consider our FO as the biggest fools in the NBA


What did you expect from this season? Because we're probably better off with the pick we're heading to and a decent return for Markieff than giving him away or including Archie, for instance, to get rid of him and battling for the 8 seed.

The FO drafted Len, Archie, Booker, Warren, Bogdan in the last 3 drafts, particularly given the picks they had. Apparently the biggest fools in the NBA are the best drafters.


A competent FO is not merely judged by his draft. So what if McD is a good drafter? he can be a head of scouting or something. He still is an epic failure of a GM. Despite young talent, We still are the laughing stock of the NBA. Today we made the news again, we are in espn and other sports sites for all the wrong reasons.
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Post#928 » by MrMiyagi » Fri Feb 12, 2016 7:54 am

nevetsov wrote:Would love to see the Raps dethrone the Cavs this year, but I think they need a little more juice to get over that hump. Especially with Carroll out indefinitely and a big hole at PF, compounded by nagging injuries to key guys like Derozan and Johnson.

If Carroll is indeed out for an extended period, I would see if they'd entertain a Knight-Carroll swap. Both have similar value IMO:

- both had breakout, near all star seasons last year
- both signed to similar deals in the offseason
- both started the season slow and have been beset with injuries since.

If Knight Is ready to go after the All Star break, consider the potential of pairing him in the backcourt with a bulldog PG like Lowry. He'd provide outside shooting to complement the slashing of Lowry/ Derozan.

Derozan can move to SF to start the game, however you can move Knight to PG in spurts and play Derozan at SG. Off the bench you have role players in Joseph (play making), Ross (shooting) and Johnson (defense).

If we can package that with a Markieff / CLE pick for Patterson/ NY pick that'd be even better. I'd even include Leuer for Scola as value.


Lowry, Joseph
Knight, Ross
Derozan, Johnson
Morris, Leuer
Valenciunas, Biyombo

Very balanced and very versatile, you could throw out some interesting lineups.

I don't want anything to do with DeMarre Carroll. People already bitch about PJ Tucker, DeMarre ain't much better and he's more than twice as expensive.
SHAZAM!

Suns traded Mikal Bridges, Cam Johnson, Jae Crowder and 4 1st round picks and a swap so some Vegas Bookies would like us.
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Post#929 » by nevetsov » Fri Feb 12, 2016 8:03 am

MrMiyagi wrote:I don't want anything to do with DeMarre Carroll. People already bitch about PJ Tucker, DeMarre ain't much better and he's more than twice as expensive.


On the surface, seems to me like he was the glue that lead the Eastern champion Hawks to the Conference finals last year. They retained their 4 all stars yet are struggling mightily this year. Could have been a contract year but one could also argue he's twice the player PJ is at twice the salary. We desperately need a SF upgrade and if be ok with a young proven vet with playoff experience (provided is injuries aren't ongoing).

Also, how much do you think PJ will command this offseason? With the rising cap you can expect he'll get a raise. Maybe not Knight/ Carroll money, but more than the $5.5m he's currently on. My guess is Frye money - around $8m per.
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Post#930 » by Damkac » Fri Feb 12, 2016 8:35 am

If Kieff don't go by the deadline then I'm on the fire-McD bandwagon.

It may be for Ersan. I don't care.
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Post#931 » by Saberestar » Fri Feb 12, 2016 10:19 am

The Suns, seeking separation from this abyss, are expected to attempt to trade him by the deadline. However, they are not in the same predicament as a year ago, when Goran Dragic asked for a trade and said he would not re-sign with the Suns in the offseason.

Morris is under contract for three more seasons, making the summer a possibility to move him, too. Teams may be inclined to wait until then, overlooking indiscretions for the lure of contract value and roster need.

Morris recently sounded like he was warming up to staying, saying he is "in a good place," and again talked about a Suns future after Thursday's game.

“That’s my little brother and we’re going to move forward,” Morris said of the incident with Goodwin. “There’s no hard feelings. It was a tough loss but we’re going to regroup and get back after this break and do some things.”

“I really see a lot of potential in Markieff beyond what people see now,” Watson said. “I’m with him every day. Markieff is a guy that trust is big.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nba/suns/2016/02/11/suns-nba-cant-move-easily-markieff-morris-wants/80243542/
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Post#932 » by thamadkant » Fri Feb 12, 2016 10:24 am

Suns / Rockets
Knight, Bledsoe, 2019 Heat pick for Harden, Jones, Brewer

Suns / Hornets
Morris, Tucker, Cavs pick for Batum

Suns / Kings (Kings doesnt know Suns have 2 other trades above)
Chandler, Suns pick, Warren for Cousins

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C: Cousins
PF: Jones
SF: Batum
SG: Booker
PG/SG: Harden
PG/SG: Goodwin
SG: O.Johnson
SF: Brewer
C: Len
PF: Leuer
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Post#933 » by Kerrsed » Fri Feb 12, 2016 12:43 pm

Watson can say whatever he wants, its not his decision if Morris stays or goes. I think everything Watson has been doing/saying has been coming from the top brass trying to bring Kieff's value up. Sure, give him the starting gig, with starters minutes his stats will increase. Sure, make him the "focal point" of our offense, with more touches comes higher stats. Sure, try to sell everyone and their mama that Kieff has taken a leadership role, we all know its not true, but maybe some poor sap out there will but into that and think he is exactly what their team needs. Go ahead and explain that Goodwin was getting a reaming for his lack of effort, and Morris was in the right to get in his face and get him motivated, we know he is the last one to be on someones ass about dogging it out on the court, but someone will buy that its just part of that leadership role that he brings to his teams.

Its all smoke and mirrors folks. Watson seems like he could be our guy and he's just doing whats in the best interest of the club, help get Morris value up, all while developing our youngsters and keep the losses rolling in.

Next season we wont be dealing with this. We will have a top 5 SG in only his 2nd year in the league, a top 5 pick (even if we strike out on Simmons/Ingram, i have faith in McD finding us another great young player to add into the mix). Goodwin has been looking good for the most part and is making one of Bledsoe/Knight expendable in trade. Len still needs work, hopefully we can get him to work with some big name big men in the offseason. Warren can score, but needs to desperately work on his defense. Its bad, really bad.

Its going to take time, but hey, with such a young core, we got plenty of it.

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Post#934 » by BobbieL » Fri Feb 12, 2016 1:22 pm

Damkac wrote:If Kieff don't go by the deadline then I'm on the fire-McD bandwagon.

It may be for Ersan. I don't care.



I agree. He is creating, or has created, a very toxix environment. Or at least helped. Sarver is the main culprit. But, the Morri have acted horribly since Mook was traded. Very unprofessional

Personally, I hope we trade him to Detroit. They can play together and the Pistons won't win crap with those two non-winners on board. Guaranteed. Its why I wanted him traded to Houston - he would fit perfectly on that team too.

Toronto deserves better but from a basketball point of view - they really should be calling as he is such an upgrade over both Pat Patt and SCola
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Post#935 » by Kerrsed » Fri Feb 12, 2016 1:56 pm

BobbieL wrote:Personally, I hope we trade him to Detroit.


Screw that.

Why send him to the 1 team that he would want to go to the most? Is this like a "Thank You Markieff for all the hard years you put in for us" trade? F that! If he had his choice to go to any team, it would be Detroit, so there for that is the LAST team i would send him to.

Not to mention they have nothing i would want. Ok, maybe they have 2 players i want, but there is no way in hell they are trading them, so we get no value what so ever from Detroit. NONE.

And with 2 Morris's in town, odds are that Detroit will never make it to 48 hours!

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I kid on that last part, but still, dont do Kieff any favors and send him to where he wants. I would seriously rather look into the legalities of making a trade with the Xinjiang Flying Tigers for Andre Blatche and Wei Liu. Maybe they can throw in some knockoff Samsung Galaxy S7's to give away at games or something.
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Post#936 » by SSOL » Fri Feb 12, 2016 2:06 pm

Damkac wrote:If Kieff don't go by the deadline then I'm on the fire-McD bandwagon.

It may be for Ersan. I don't care.


You don't make sense. You want to trade him for nothing? Why? To save the season? Losing is the path to future success. Ingrim or Simmons helps us more than any other option at this point. Just hang on and trade Markieff in the summer if the value isn't right. I'm glad you are not running the team.
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Post#937 » by Fo-Real » Fri Feb 12, 2016 3:00 pm

Yeah, some of you are thinking with your feelings and those are ad for buisness. If I am trying to sell my used car, I am going to wash the **** out of it, clean it up and tell potential buyers of good and reliable times I had in it. Some of you would run it off road, mud it all up, spill soda in it and tell potential buyers every bad thing it's ever done and probably will do, JESUS!! Polish the turd and see if someone sees potential, witch means play him, feature him, spin stories of greater maturity maybe even leader qualities and hope someone buys high. Grow up, it's a buisness, and even if you don't get an immediate buyer, you still at least now got kief to put up 20 a game, so even if it does not work, you got production out of him somehow and maybe SHOULD hold onto the contract till summer in hopes that his ending play might draw interest of gm's then. We aren't doing anything anyway, and no one we trade him for now makes a damn diffrence, UNLESS YOU GET A GOOD OFFER BEFORE THIS DEADLINE!
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Post#938 » by NavLDO » Fri Feb 12, 2016 3:07 pm

bhawk wrote:
"Ummmm no" is spot on. I get that this situation sucks and that Markieff is doing us NO favors right now. He actually made things worse last night. I mean Markieff, what the hell? You know that you are being shopped and that your value in the league is low. You put together a few nice games. The new coach talks you up... and you f-ing pull this sh*t. OMG. Come on, man.

Cooler heads HAVE to prevail here. Let's please calm down, step back, and give McD a fair chance to get us out of this mess. He didn't draft Markieff. But it is his job to clean it up and put PHX in a position to win long term. That means do NOT give Markieff away. That also means TANK for a top 3 pick.

I do believe that McD has been trying really, really hard to trade Markieff since this summer. But McD is smart and he is patient. He refuses to get ripped off. Patience and trade savvy, BTW, is something we as fans should value more.

We need McD to take a deep breath and get us through this ****. We need McD to get us a good return on the plummeting stock that is Markieff Morris. Be smart. Hold the line. Get us a trade deadline deal like the one we got for Dragic. You CAN DO IT, McD!!! I have faith.

BTW -- I do like Gambo sometimes, but Gambo is NOT, NOT, NOT helping us right now. Every negative comment he makes drives Markieff's value down and hurts the Suns. He should shut up and let McD work through this mess.


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Yes, cooler heads DO need to prevail. I do get that Kieff is a distraction, baby, whatever you want to call him, and yes, he does cause problems on the team. But at this point, if we don't improve...well, isn't that what we want anyway? And as the article that Sabrestar posted is saying, teams may want to wait until the assault charge is figured out. Some GMs probably don't care either way, but if these are the only GMs willing to deal, and they are not offering a decent pkg, do those that say you'd take any value for Kieff REALLY mean that? If trading Kieff now nets us crap, like we take on a bad contract or worse yet, pkg Len or Warren with Kieff in order to get any value what so ever, so that we are trading away Warren or Len or Goodwin for something of less value than tey are worth, JUS so we can get Kieff off the team? Is that what you really want? Is it really worth it to you to have Kieff off this team for the next 30 games, that we intend to 'tank' anyway?

And regarding McD, it's amazes me how little flack Sarver takes, and how much more McD takes.

So how about this. I'll hire you to design a building. But as you are designing it, I'm looking over your shoulder the whole time, telling you what materials I want you to use..."yes, use that, but no, not that, and you MUST keep that aspect of the design, even if it detracts from the stability of the building...I don't care, I like and you have to keep it...nope you can't use that company...ooh, or that one, and DEFINITELY not that one...you can only use these three to buy your materials. Nope, don't like that design, go back and try again. blah, blah , blah..."

My point is Sarver hired McD to 'build' or 'design' this team, but only if McD does it HIS way. Sarver is an embarrassment; sticks his nose in things he ought not to...does interviews, says things to the media, calls out other teams coaches for not bring his "A-Game" players to a preseason game.

I'm not saying McD can't be held accountable, I'm just saying that he's dealing with an idiot of an owner who can't keep his mouth shut, and that Sarver deserves his fair dose of accountability too, and McD takes too much, IMO.
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Post#939 » by Fo-Real » Fri Feb 12, 2016 3:09 pm

By the way, I've got a top notch 09 black altima for sale, best car I've ever owned, never one problem, pristine inside and out..... ANYONE?!?! OK my feelings got in the way, my kids and wife have beat the **** out of my car, she won't change the oil, think it's going on 3 years. There are shoe prints and fast food stains everywhere, it Pisses me off every day just to look at it. I'm sure it won't run for much longer and you WILL NOT be happy when it does to you what it's done for me.....OK WHO WANTS TO GIVE ME ABOVE BLUE BOOK FOR THIS THING?!?! ......ANYONE?!?!?! Jeeze..... I don't understand? !?!
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Post#940 » by bwgood77 » Fri Feb 12, 2016 3:21 pm

Fo-Real wrote:Yeah, some of you are thinking with your feelings and those are ad for buisness. If I am trying to sell my used car, I am going to wash the **** out of it, clean it up and tell potential buyers of good and reliable times I had in it. Some of you would run it off road, mud it all up, spill soda in it and tell potential buyers every bad thing it's ever done and probably will do, JESUS!! Polish the turd and see if someone sees potential, witch means play him, feature him, spin stories of greater maturity maybe even leader qualities and hope someone buys high. Grow up, it's a buisness, and even if you don't get an immediate buyer, you still at least now got kief to put up 20 a game, so even if it does not work, you got production out of him somehow and maybe SHOULD hold onto the contract till summer in hopes that his ending play might draw interest of gm's then. We aren't doing anything anyway, and no one we trade him for now makes a damn diffrence, UNLESS YOU GET A GOOD OFFER BEFORE THIS DEADLINE!


I want him gone too, but if teams are calling our bluff and giving us crap offers, better ones may come in the summer, when they know we won't give him away for free, but you also run the risk of him making the situation even worse. Teams are keeping cap space open for Durant....so many teams will miss out on guys like him and Horford, they will then turn to make sure they get Markieff or someone who can fill that hole they were trying to fill.

That being said, I also think some teams will be so desperate to upgrade in talent at the trade deadline for a playoff run, that better offers will be put forth next Wednesday and Thursday.

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