Trade Deadline Countdown Pre-Febuary Deadline

[BobbieL]

I do miss JDLAW - that guy knew the cap

Where are Dirty Bird, Traxxe and Ray Ray this time of year?

JDLAW? You're so right. Wish he'd come back ...but can't blame him for not.

Dirty Bird? It's been what? 6 years since he last chirped. A true insider.

Guessing Traxxe and Ray Ray will show up shortly after Woj or Stein etc spill the first juicy Suns trade rumor. They'll then color it into their owe special "insider" tone.

I exchanged a couple of PMs with JDLAW in early January. I wish he would come back and post more too.

Is that why JD left the forum - other posters were rude to him so he just got "done" with it

[BobbieL]

Here is the situation as I see it (Markieff value). You got two groups of people and organizations that the Suns lean on (or any organization). The first group, You got hardcore fans (us as an example) who know this roster inside and out. While we disagree here and there with the talent at each position we understand the "basketball" part of this trade. We want to get the best value "talent wise" as we can get for Markieff. We represent a small population of the fan base. To be honest we are the least important people to the Suns organization (weird I know). We are the ones who are a little too smart about basketball than the Suns like. We sorta know a lot and watch each game to no end. We know each players weaknesses and can't be fooled. But again, our importance to the FO isn't high because we aren't the real money makers for the Suns. The majority of profit comes from the second group.

The second group are the sponsors, businesses, businessmen, government officials, and casual fans. Which represent the most important people to the Suns organization. That's where the money comes from the most. That's where the pressure comes from to rid themselves of Markieff. The basketball part is probably the least important to them. Their money goes to the Suns (and is the majority of the Suns income). Casual fans are the ones that support"winning teams" otherwise called bandwagon fans (and make up a large portion of the population). And the businessmen and sponsors, who want to be seen with a winning organization. Basically they want no part of this Markieff situation. They honestly could care less about what Keiff brings to the court. They care more about what Kieff brings off the court. And the rich people aren't going to come or be associated with the Suns (with the exception of our beloved Cardinals players) as long as there is bad press associated with the Suns. That lack of money coming in from this group is the killer.


So all that said, Suns absolutely have to rid Markieff regardless of the return because the second group is way more important (to the Suns) than us in the first group.

great post
we also have a good view of the salary cap and what not

I do miss JDLAW - that guy knew the cap

Where are Dirty Bird, Traxxe and Ray Ray this time of year?

What would you like to know about the CBA?

nothing specific today - but next week when the rumors get heavy -- probably will have cap questions

[Son of Ra]

Why would Chicago want to trade Butler?

They're doing poorly, Derrick Rose hates him, and some of his teammates aren't too fond of him (they think he's changed since becoming the star of the team.)

Wow. If that is true, I would trade for him and play him at the small forward spot. He is 6'7" so he should be fine there. Him and Booker starting together sounds awesome. I would not give up the Suns 2016 first round pick though. If the Bulls actually want to get rid of him, I would give them Knight, Markieff, and another pick besides the Suns pick or a similar package. I still find it hard to believe they want to get rid of him.

You would not give up the Suns 2016 pick for Jimmy Butler Mmmmkaaayyy

[Saberestar]

They're doing poorly, Derrick Rose hates him, and some of his teammates aren't too fond of him (they think he's changed since becoming the star of the team.)

Wow. If that is true, I would trade for him and play him at the small forward spot. He is 6'7" so he should be fine there. Him and Booker starting together sounds awesome. I would not give up the Suns 2016 first round pick though. If the Bulls actually want to get rid of him, I would give them Knight, Markieff, and another pick besides the Suns pick or a similar package. I still find it hard to believe they want to get rid of him.

You would not give up the Suns 2016 pick for Jimmy Butler Mmmmkaaayyy

No way he is available. But we can dream about it....

[letsgosuns]

They're doing poorly, Derrick Rose hates him, and some of his teammates aren't too fond of him (they think he's changed since becoming the star of the team.)

Wow. If that is true, I would trade for him and play him at the small forward spot. He is 6'7" so he should be fine there. Him and Booker starting together sounds awesome. I would not give up the Suns 2016 first round pick though. If the Bulls actually want to get rid of him, I would give them Knight, Markieff, and another pick besides the Suns pick or a similar package. I still find it hard to believe they want to get rid of him.

You would not give up the Suns 2016 pick for Jimmy Butler Mmmmkaaayyy

I would hold onto it so it can be traded for another superstar to pair with Butler. The reason I said I would hold it back is because if the Bulls are the ones that want to trade him rather than him being untouchable, I doubt they would hold out for a top five pick. So if that is true, they might just want him off the team if he clashes with Rose or other teammates.

[saintEscaton]

I would try to buy low on Mirotic if the Bulls are shopping him around, since he's significantly regressed in every category after a great rookie season but I don't think they give up on him this early. But Snell/Dougie McBuckets have been eating away his minutes at SF and the Gibson/Portis Platoon at the 4 makes him expendable. Also he's returning from an appendectomy. Wonder what it would take to pry him away..

[Kerrsed]

According to a radio show in Orlando, Chicago offered Jimmy Butler for Oladipo, a 1st rounder and an unnamed player.

If that's the asking price, I'm sure the Suns could put together a comparative offer including our 1st rounder this year and either Knight or Bledsoe.

There is absolutely no way that Chicago called Orlando and offered up Butler. NONE.

Sure, he supposedly doesnt click with Rose, but just like the rumors suggested earlier, they try to dump Rose, not Butler. If thats all it would take to get Butler, Orlando would have done that in a heartbeat, as word was they themselves have put Oladipo on the trade table, and their (currently #11) draft pick isnt that great.

Seriously, if thats all it took, we would have Butler. I would put up our pick unprotected, Knight or Bledsoe (whichever one Orlando wanted for Oladipo), i'd take on both Harris AND Frye, and also send Warren and/or Len to Chicago to make it work.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=j73kfrq

Booker/Butler/Harris/Frye/Chandler would be fine by me.

But we already know that Orlando is looking to trade Oladipo. This "Rumor" (That has only been heard on a Orlando Radio Station) is just to drum up more value for Oladipo in the league (which it wont), and to try to boost his value in the fans eyes, so they can feel better about their team after under-preforming and missing the play-offs. Kinda like, "Hey, Look Magic fans, other teams are willing to trade their all-stars for our Oladipo and a rather ehhhh draft pick in a rather ehhhh draft, so there is hope and all isnt as bad as you may think!!".

[alphagorilla]

If Butler is available he's a must get... Booker and Butler would be amazing and if somehow McD can keep our first pick I will ride front seat on the McD train to glory. If this is the price for Butler I would throw Knight,Len,Warren, Cavs and see where we land. Would be willing to give up our first him though.

[bwgood77]

Is that why JD left the forum - other posters were rude to him so he just got "done" with it

No, I just think he was mostly busy and at that time the forum had gotten pretty miserable anyway. He might check in around times like now with the trade deadline approaching and in the summer. Not sure though.

[sunsbum]

I do miss JDLAW - that guy knew the cap

Where are Dirty Bird, Traxxe and Ray Ray this time of year?

JDLAW? You're so right. Wish he'd come back ...but can't blame him for not.

Dirty Bird? It's been what? 6 years since he last chirped. A true insider.

Guessing Traxxe and Ray Ray will show up shortly after Woj or Stein etc spill the first juicy Suns trade rumor. They'll then color it into their owe special "insider" tone.

That is such an amazing description of traxxe and Ray ray! everytime a rumor came around they would literally reword it and put their own spin on it which would in turn send the board into a frenzy. If anyone called them out you had better be prepared to face the wrath of about 20 posters because "he's a confirmed insider". I don't think either of those guys broke a single trade and they always fell back on the ole "things change I can't help what's not happening". I'm glad at least one other person saw through their b.s.

[Kerrsed]

Except what they posted wasnt BS.

Not their fault that some posters cant comprehend how fluid trade talks are. But hey, its ok, people give them flak for giving us the goods, then they quit posting and those same posters are then dying to know whats going on, not knowing the us Mods still receive PMs and are in the know, while being told not to release the info to everyone else. Thats fine by me, to each their own.

[TOO]

Except what they posted wasnt BS.

Not their fault that some posters cant comprehend how fluid trade talks are. But hey, its ok, people give them flak for giving us the goods, then they quit posting and those same posters are then dying to know whats going on, not knowing the us Mods still receive PMs and are in the know, while being told not to release the info to everyone else. Thats fine by me, to each their own.

Cool story bro.

[Kerrsed]

[thamadkant]

Also some leaks are given specifically wrong info amongst the circles of the NBA FOs... Its a tactic to flush out the leakers.

You wont hear much from them anymore since McD has been strict in leaks. He would of sent out incorrect info and when it leaks that branch of the circle he shared it with is obviously leaking it to the public hence he either cut them off from any more info or he finds the leak and fires them.

It depends highly on the FO. Some FOs like to gauge feedback from the public and will leak it to get the fans reaction. But McD is a diamond in the rough finder so he is very very careful on who he sets his eyes on...to make sure value remains optimum and competition is limited.

[AtheJ415]

I would try to buy low on Mirotic if the Bulls are shopping him around, since he's significantly regressed in every category after a great rookie season but I don't think they give up on him this early. But Snell/Dougie McBuckets have been eating away his minutes at SF and the Gibson/Portis Platoon at the 4 makes him expendable. Also he's returning from an appendectomy. Wonder what it would take to pry him away..

For me it would depend on what's given up. He has talent, but has been drastically overhyped, in particular as a shooter. His 3 point percentage was bad even last year. I wouldn't give up Booker, Warren, Archie, Len, Bogdan, or our first or any of the Miami firsts. Probably would be okay with the Cavs first or trading an older player (Tele).

[AtheJ415]

According to a radio show in Orlando, Chicago offered Jimmy Butler for Oladipo, a 1st rounder and an unnamed player.

If that's the asking price, I'm sure the Suns could put together a comparative offer including our 1st rounder this year and either Knight or Bledsoe.

The thing is our first is worth more than all of those assets depending on the unnamed player. I'd not include our first solely because I think we could mimic that offer's value without including it. For instance, Knight or Warren, one of the Miami firsts or our first next year, and something else.

Bledsoe alone is more valuable than Oladipo imo. Knight maybe too (I know our board hates him but Knight's numbers are better in a number of areas and Oladipo is only 1 year younger).

[SSOL]

great post
we also have a good view of the salary cap and what not

I do miss JDLAW - that guy knew the cap

Where are Dirty Bird, Traxxe and Ray Ray this time of year?

What would you like to know about the CBA?

nothing specific today - but next week when the rumors get heavy -- probably will have cap questions

Cool. Shoot me a pm if you have any questions.

[JohnnyKILLroy]

FWIW I think the mystery player in question has to be Vucevic to get the money right. I think. Maybe.

Oladipo/Vucevic/1st for Butler

[kennydorglas]

I would try to buy low on Mirotic if the Bulls are shopping him around, since he's significantly regressed in every category after a great rookie season but I don't think they give up on him this early. But Snell/Dougie McBuckets have been eating away his minutes at SF and the Gibson/Portis Platoon at the 4 makes him expendable. Also he's returning from an appendectomy. Wonder what it would take to pry him away..

For me it would depend on what's given up. He has talent, but has been drastically overhyped, in particular as a shooter. His 3 point percentage was bad even last year. I wouldn't give up Booker, Warren, Archie, Len, Bogdan, or our first or any of the Miami firsts. Probably would be okay with the Cavs first or trading an older player (Tele).

Mirotic is such a strange player. He's a crap shooter from 3 but somehow you see him launching some 30+ft 3's that just makes u lose your mind. I agre that he's so overrated.

[saintEscaton]

I would try to buy low on Mirotic if the Bulls are shopping him around, since he's significantly regressed in every category after a great rookie season but I don't think they give up on him this early. But Snell/Dougie McBuckets have been eating away his minutes at SF and the Gibson/Portis Platoon at the 4 makes him expendable. Also he's returning from an appendectomy. Wonder what it would take to pry him away..

For me it would depend on what's given up. He has talent, but has been drastically overhyped, in particular as a shooter. His 3 point percentage was bad even last year. I wouldn't give up Booker, Warren, Archie, Len, Bogdan, or our first or any of the Miami firsts. Probably would be okay with the Cavs first or trading an older player (Tele).

Mirotic is such a strange player. He's a crap shooter from 3 but somehow you see him launching some 30+ft 3's that just makes u lose your mind. I agre that he's so overrated.

This year he's been dreadful from beyond the arc for sure, shooting just north of 30% on a reduced clip less than 6 attempts per game