Official Draft Thread 2015-16

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[return2glory]

My top 10 in no particular order:

1. Hield 2. Ingram. 3. Simmons 4. J. Brown 5. Bentil 6. Dunn 7. Ellenson 8. Bender 9. Valentine 10. Sabonis

Honorable mention: D. Davis, Poetlt, Murray

This is turning into a pretty decent draft.

[return2glory]

Ellenson just allowed his opposing big to drop 42 points against him. For all his length and size advantages in college, he's been a pretty crummy defender. That's what scares me with him. He's super skilled, rebounds pretty well, and can stretch defenses once his jumper gets a bit more reliable. But if he can't pick it up defensively a bit more, it's gonna be hard to justify picking him top-5.

That's one part of his game that has been disappointing the few times I've watched him. He struggles defectively and his lateral quickness is an issue.

He needs to get a little stronger and should be better suited to play Center in the NBA.

I missed that game against Providence. Every time I've seen Providence play this season, it's Bentil that stands out more than Dunn. I have Ben Bentil climbing into my top 10.

[brackdan70]

My top 10 in no particular order:

1. Hield 2. Ingram. 3. Simmons 4. J. Brown 5. Bentil 6. Dunn 7. Ellenson 8. Bender 9. Valentine 10. Sabonis

Honorable mention: D. Davis, Poetlt, Murray

This is turning into a pretty decent draft.

Bentil? would he even declare? I think he is a second rounder if he does.
agree though, not a bad draft at all.

[No-Man]

Bentil doesnt really have many translatable skills and he is an average athlete, borderline 1st, but top10 is crazy.
But looking at your list one can say that you put a ton of stock on stats and not really much in nothing else, Hield at 1st overall, Valentine at 9th or Sabonis at 10th are laughable, let alone Hield.
This Draft is a crapshoot, really similar to 2013 sadly.

[Wes-J]

^^^His list in no particular order.

[Wes-J]

My top 10 in no particular order:

1. Hield 2. Ingram. 3. Simmons 4. J. Brown 5. Bentil 6. Dunn 7. Ellenson 8. Bender 9. Valentine 10. Sabonis

Honorable mention: D. Davis, Poetlt, Murray

This is turning into a pretty decent draft.

Love Valentine , people been sleeping on him.

I think Poeltl is solidly in top 10.

I happen to think this draft is underrated. Solid depth.

[Gomes3PC]

Bentil doesnt really have many translatable skills and he is an average athlete, borderline 1st, but top10 is crazy.
But looking at your list one can say that you put a ton of stock on stats and not really much in nothing else, Hield at 1st overall, Valentine at 9th or Sabonis at 10th are laughable, let alone Hield.
This Draft is a crapshoot, really similar to 2013 sadly.

Bentil's a very good athlete - outruns any big in the country, and has excellent lateral agility. That said, he's undersized and old for his class. His strong wingspan and great physique help to offset that, but he's not a lotto pick. To move up in the draft, he'd have to really start stroking it from three and get that up to 35-40%.

[ddb]

Ingram is straight fire right now...absolutely dominating and getting Duke back into this game.

[greenroom31]

Wow UVA got screwed. Allen's foot was down before he got the shot off at the buzzer... should've been a travel. The refs reviewed it so not sure how they missed it.

[return2glory]

Bentil doesnt really have many translatable skills and he is an average athlete, borderline 1st, but top10 is crazy.
But looking at your list one can say that you put a ton of stock on stats and not really much in nothing else, Hield at 1st overall, Valentine at 9th or Sabonis at 10th are laughable, let alone Hield.
This Draft is a crapshoot, really similar to 2013 sadly.

I said in no particular order. Stop laughing, start reading.

As far as Bentil, what did they say about Draymond Green. I called Draymond Green a top 10 prospect also but the scouts and mock drafts didn't like him.

Draymond was a triple double threat at Michigan St. He played with passion and heart and a lot of skill. But for some reason the scouts and mock drafts saw him as a 2nd round pick. And he went in the 2nd round and now is concerned a top 15 player in the league.

[No-Man]

How are Bentil and Draymond comparable?
If you want to put a similar guy to Green in your top10, go with Robert Carter, Bentil has no case, and I have been one of the first people noticing Ben (look at the sleepers thread in the Draft forum) but he is not lotto material.

[return2glory]

How are Bentil and Draymond comparable?
If you want to put a similar guy to Green in your top10, go with Robert Carter, Bentil has no case, and I have been one of the first people noticing Ben (look at the sleepers thread in the Draft forum) but he is not lotto material.

Because Draymond Green was also considered non lottery material by many scouts, mock drafts, fans and GMs. I had Green in my top 10 in my draft. Scouts and mock drafts are wrong a lot.

I'm not comparable Bentil and Draymond's game, just their situation as both got no love by mock drafts and scouts.

[Gomes3PC]

How are Bentil and Draymond comparable?
If you want to put a similar guy to Green in your top10, go with Robert Carter, Bentil has no case, and I have been one of the first people noticing Ben (look at the sleepers thread in the Draft forum) but he is not lotto material.

They actually have pretty similar bodies - stocky but with good length, excellent quickness, and versatile scorers inside & out.

That's where the comparison ends though. Dray is a vastly better passer, a superior rebounder, and crushes Bentil defensively.

[Wes-J]

Yah sign me up for using the Dallas pick on Valentine as a replacement for ET, in the likely event he won't be retained.

[Duke4life831]

Ingram's 18 straight points from yesterday

[youtube]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LU9UBmYhwfE[/youtube]

[brackdan70]

Ingram's 18 straight points from yesterday

[youtube]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LU9UBmYhwfE[/youtube]

gawd...i really hope we get lucky on Lotto night and end up top 2.

[Gomes3PC]

Yah sign me up for using the Dallas pick on Valentine as a replacement for ET, in the likely event he won't be retained.

Valentine has lead feet - that's the major drawback. To me his measurements and agility tests will be a big deal. He needs to show off a strong wingspan to offset those slow feet. DX lists it at 6-10 but ideally it's even an inch better. Frankly I'm so worried about that lack of quicks that he might need to play smallball SF. If he does have that plus length, i like him as a bench shooter / ball mover on the wing. He is not a PG but he seems to rebound well, would be a nice secondary playmaker and can hit the 3 ball - enough to masquerade at SF and play SG when we aren't up against really athletic 2-guards.

[SirTankalot]

gawd...i really hope we get lucky on Lotto night and end up top 2.

Nobody will be upset about getting #1 overall and drafting Simmons but very easy to argue that Ingram might very well be the best player to come out of this draft. 18 years old and putting up numbers that only Durant has met as a freshman. His offensive ability might even fit better on this Celtics team that already has an abundance of ballhandlers.

[Wes-J]

IMO Ingram is closer to Durant than Simmons is to LeBron, considering those are the comparables I'm seeing.