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[Sunsdeuce]

Because McD didn't actually have to make those picks, the decision was made for him by the teams drafting ahead.

But JJ13 said he was drunk, so logic ain't exactly enhanced.

And not evvvvvvverybody would've chosen Booker; RHJ, Oubre, Payne, and Dekker were all in play as Lotto picks and were 'mocked' as such within the final two weeks before the draft. It's not like Booker was mocked consistently in the top 8 before the draft and he 'slid' all the way down to 13.

And as I mentioned in a couple of posts last week, Len has played pretty well, when given minutes the past month and a half. Noel was NOT given the 'green light' by the med staff, so other than Gobert, Len has played about as well as can be expected.

If we drafted players the Suns fans liked the most in the last 2 drafts, right now we would have Motrezl Harrell (or Looney) and Adreian Payne instead of Booker and Warren.

Here's what 2 of the biggest McDonough's critics on this board had to say on the draft night:

So Suns get to draft a life long role player. You will fit right in with a team filled with role players, Booker.

This makes me sick. 6 years burning tires in the mudd.

Alright we should take Lyles. Booker will never be anything other than a spot up/off the ball perimeter shooter. Just cauz he's light skinned doesnt mean he's Klay Thompson 2.0 LOL

Booker can't create for himself off the dribble or get penetration, plays suspect defense and really the only argument for his upside is "well he was underutilized by Calipari and overshadowed in Kentucky and is still really young and a baby. Oh and he's bigger than Klay at 18."

That's one I'm glad to say I was wrong about Booker. Anyway, still doesn't change the piss poor decisions Ryan has made.

1) overpaying Bledsoe
2) overpaying Knight
2b) trading for Knight
3) overpaying Chandler
4) keeping Markieff
5) putting a bad roster together
6) hiring/firing Jeff H
7) firing assistants in the middle of the season
8) signing/trading I Thomas
9) building a 2 PG system
9b) building a 2 PG system around Medicore PGs
10) Hiring Watson
11) Coddling Kieff
12) trading away the Lakers pick
13) contributing to the lack of loyalty in players eyes
14) signing sonny Weems
15) putting this team in a bad position salary Cap wise with a team filled with overpaid players
16) team is arguably in a Worse position than its was 3 years ago.

Things he got right
1) Drafting Len (sorta)
2) Drafting Booker
3) Trading away Scola
4) Drafting Warren (not yet confirmed yet)
6) trading for Bledsoe (even if Bledsoe is overrated) for practicially nothing is a good return
7) getting a nice role player in Leuer for almost nothing
8) .... (Running out of ideas)


So yeah, Ryan has shown he has a decent eye for drafting but everything else is bad.

Ryan has done many questionable things that should be scrutinized. Sorry if I don't see happy happy joy joy with Ryan.

Do I think firing him is going to help, no because it's gonna take another GM about 3-4 years to clean this mess up. So Suns will be back where they started.


And to be quite Frank.....Sarver is the man at the Top so more of my blame goes to him. He has little desire to be the owner of a class organization. He can talk the talk but has has never walked the walk! Don't see this organization cultural changing until he sells. I don't associate class individual with Sarver.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

If we got back that Nets pick, absolutely do this.
I was onboard to get Love, but I don't think he moves the needle for us to be contenders again. Bledsoe isn't the PG we need either, yeah him and Love could make the Suns somewhat relevant but I'd rather be a facilitator where we help get expirings and draft picks in a big trade this year. We are maybe two pieces away from being relevant but we need more development in our young guys before we are in contender status.

Yes, if the Brooklyn pick comes to Phoenix - for sure - do that deal.

I am guessing Love gets to the Celtics and Carmelo goes to the Cavs and the Suns will be shut out. But some of the Suns pieces seem like they would help the Cavs more (Tucker, Kieff, Chandler or Len) over Carmelo. But all the talk would be taking pieces from a 15 win team.

It is worth Ryans time next week - he is good buddy with Ainge too.

"Hey Danny, Ryan here. So want Love in Boston, we know David Lee is expiring - have I got a deal for you..."

I will say this - Love to Phoenix was always a long shot and more my rosterbating. Love to the Celtics with pieces to Cleveland and Lee/Mozgov - I would say that has a better chance of happening. Still not going to Vegas but facilitation as part of a three way. So either Keiff and Chandler or Knight to the Cavs; Lee and Mozgov to the Suns w/ the Brooklyn pick and Love to the Celtics

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=z6yevwf

CLE trades Love/Varejao for Knight/Kieff/Mirza/Tucker
BOS trades Lee/BKN 16 pick for Love
PHX trades Knight/Kieff/Mirza/Tucker for Lee/Varejao/BKN 16 pick

Cleveland moves Love for pieces that fit their team better. Knight as the microwave guard off the bench, Kieff as the starting power forward, Mirza as the stretch 4 off the bench, and Tucker as the grit/grind/3-D guy every contender needs.

Boston gets their star.

We lose Knight, who is a good asset, and we take on Varejao who is absolutely dead money, but we get a top 4 pick back.

I guess I couldn't say no to that. We are giving up the most value, and Cleveland's arguably getting the most. Boston's buying pretty low. But we would be in an ideal position in the draft. And frankly, I'm more interested in that.

Bledsoe
Booker/Goodwin
Warren
Bender
Chandler/Len/Varejao

Add three first round picks to that. And you got cap space. You have lots of money in aging centers.

[RaisingArizona]

And not evvvvvvverybody would've chosen Booker; RHJ, Oubre, Payne, and Dekker were all in play as Lotto picks and were 'mocked' as such within the final two weeks before the draft. It's not like Booker was mocked consistently in the top 8 before the draft and he 'slid' all the way down to 13.

And as I mentioned in a couple of posts last week, Len has played pretty well, when given minutes the past month and a half. Noel was NOT given the 'green light' by the med staff, so other than Gobert, Len has played about as well as can be expected.

If we drafted players the Suns fans liked the most in the last 2 drafts, right now we would have Motrezl Harrell (or Looney) and Adreian Payne instead of Booker and Warren.

Here's what 2 of the biggest McDonough's critics on this board had to say on the draft night:

So Suns get to draft a life long role player. You will fit right in with a team filled with role players, Booker.

This makes me sick. 6 years burning tires in the mudd.

Alright we should take Lyles. Booker will never be anything other than a spot up/off the ball perimeter shooter. Just cauz he's light skinned doesnt mean he's Klay Thompson 2.0 LOL

Booker can't create for himself off the dribble or get penetration, plays suspect defense and really the only argument for his upside is "well he was underutilized by Calipari and overshadowed in Kentucky and is still really young and a baby. Oh and he's bigger than Klay at 18."

You left out Frank; he's the #1 Anti-McD fan on this forum. But maybe he didn't have anything to say on draft night.

I just think there is WAY too much hate for a GM who's been a GM for all of 2.5 years. Yes, he's made mistakes, but at least he has been engaged and has tried to make deals he felt would be beneficial. This whole "McDoNothing" is ridiculous; he's been about as active a GM as there is in this league. And even if we go beyond the trade deadline without a deal (which I seriously doubt), I still wouldn't feel he is "McDoNothing"; it just means he didn't see a deal he liked. And why 'fight the tank' when all you have is a 'pee shooter'. We are not going to get better by season's end, and why would we want to?

And BTW, let's look at all these trades that have taken place over the past several weeks. I can't believe McD hasn't been involved in any of them!! What a slacker!

http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/transactions/league

I keep hearing "McD has put together the worst team in Suns history," but of course, with no mention of our top 3 PGs, and for the past couple of weeks, our 'best' SF in Warren, and our best PF in Leuer (other than Len) being out of the lineup. This is not the worst team in Suns history; we have a ton of potential with guys like Len, Warren, Booker, Goodwin, Bogdan, even Knight and potentially Leuer, at age 24 and 26 respectively. We also have Bledsoe, and while injury prone, when in the lineup, he's a top 10 PG, overall.

Now compare this roster with 3 years ago with Dudley, Scola, Dragic, Gortat, Beasley, Johnson, Shannon Brown, Frye, and J. O'Neal--amost ZERO potential guys...we had Morris, and that was it, and we all see how that turned out! We may end up with a worse record, but that happens when you have key players out of the line-up...or a felon.

But by all means, lets fire McD, and bring in a new 'punching bag', because as long as over-bearing, micromanaging, and 'sticking-his-nose-into-everything' Sarver is our owner, that's all a new GM will be--a scapegoat. I'll say it again, since coming on board, McD has done more good than harm, but apparently, that's not good enough for this crowd on RealGM. Let's go back to the days of selling picks for cash and trading picks away for scraps and rely only on FA to build the team. Yep, that tactic put together that awesome team of 2012-2013.

But I'm sure firing McD will fix all our woes, right??? Or heck, fix ANY of our woes...

Exactly. The naysayers are not too smart. They're like the social media mob that takes jabs at the franchise any chance they get.

[BobbieL]

Yes, if the Brooklyn pick comes to Phoenix - for sure - do that deal.

I am guessing Love gets to the Celtics and Carmelo goes to the Cavs and the Suns will be shut out. But some of the Suns pieces seem like they would help the Cavs more (Tucker, Kieff, Chandler or Len) over Carmelo. But all the talk would be taking pieces from a 15 win team.

It is worth Ryans time next week - he is good buddy with Ainge too.

"Hey Danny, Ryan here. So want Love in Boston, we know David Lee is expiring - have I got a deal for you..."

I will say this - Love to Phoenix was always a long shot and more my rosterbating. Love to the Celtics with pieces to Cleveland and Lee/Mozgov - I would say that has a better chance of happening. Still not going to Vegas but facilitation as part of a three way. So either Keiff and Chandler or Knight to the Cavs; Lee and Mozgov to the Suns w/ the Brooklyn pick and Love to the Celtics

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=z6yevwf

CLE trades Love/Varejao for Knight/Kieff/Mirza/Tucker
BOS trades Lee/BKN 16 pick for Love
PHX trades Knight/Kieff/Mirza/Tucker for Lee/Varejao/BKN 16 pick

Cleveland moves Love for pieces that fit their team better. Knight as the microwave guard off the bench, Kieff as the starting power forward, Mirza as the stretch 4 off the bench, and Tucker as the grit/grind/3-D guy every contender needs.

Boston gets their star.

We lose Knight, who is a good asset, and we take on Varejao who is absolutely dead money, but we get a top 4 pick back.

I guess I couldn't say no to that. We are giving up the most value, and Cleveland's arguably getting the most. Boston's buying pretty low. But we would be in an ideal position in the draft. And frankly, I'm more interested in that.

Bledsoe
Booker/Goodwin
Warren
Bender
Chandler/Len/Varejao

Add three first round picks to that. And you got cap space. You have lots of money in aging centers.

Carmelo says "he isn't getting traded."

But I wouldn't be surprised if the Celtics and Cavs talked trade. I mean, Ainge has wanted Love in the past. So, devils advocate - Knicks are out of the talks - Suns would be a solid third team.
Suns are giving up a lot of value in the trade above. If they throw in Knight, that seems like too much to me.

I think my trade would be:
Phx: Out Tucker, Kieff, Chandler and Teletovic - all to Cavaliers
Boston: Sullinger to Phoenix, Lee to Phoenix plus the BKN pick to the Suns
Cavs: Out Love to Boston but Kieff, Teletovic, Tucker and Chandler. If the Cavs want their damn pick back, give it back

Knight to me - as the third guy - has more value than Chandler - but that's just wishful thinking. If Cleveland wanted Knight, so be it

[BobbieL]

One other thing - if the Cavs wanted to get out of cap jail

Love to the Celtics
Kieff, Tucker, Teletovic and Ronnie Price to the Cavs (only Kieff is signed next year and Tucker is 2.5)

Suns get Lee Mozgov, Mo Williams And the Brooklyn pick

[saintEscaton]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=z6yevwf

CLE trades Love/Varejao for Knight/Kieff/Mirza/Tucker
BOS trades Lee/BKN 16 pick for Love
PHX trades Knight/Kieff/Mirza/Tucker for Lee/Varejao/BKN 16 pick

Cleveland moves Love for pieces that fit their team better. Knight as the microwave guard off the bench, Kieff as the starting power forward, Mirza as the stretch 4 off the bench, and Tucker as the grit/grind/3-D guy every contender needs.

Boston gets their star.

We lose Knight, who is a good asset, and we take on Varejao who is absolutely dead money, but we get a top 4 pick back.

I guess I couldn't say no to that. We are giving up the most value, and Cleveland's arguably getting the most. Boston's buying pretty low. But we would be in an ideal position in the draft. And frankly, I'm more interested in that.

Bledsoe
Booker/Goodwin
Warren
Bender
Chandler/Len/Varejao

Add three first round picks to that. And you got cap space. You have lots of money in aging centers.

Carmelo says "he isn't getting traded."

But I wouldn't be surprised if the Celtics and Cavs talked trade. I mean, Ainge has wanted Love in the past. So, devils advocate - Knicks are out of the talks - Suns would be a solid third team.
Suns are giving up a lot of value in the trade above. If they throw in Knight, that seems like too much to me.

I think my trade would be:
Phx: Out Tucker, Kieff, Chandler and Teletovic - all to Cavaliers
Boston: Sullinger to Phoenix, Lee to Phoenix plus the BKN pick to the Suns
Cavs: Out Love to Boston but Kieff, Teletovic, Tucker and Chandler. If the Cavs want their damn pick back, give it back

Knight to me - as the third guy - has more value than Chandler - but that's just wishful thinking. If Cleveland wanted Knight, so be it

We are not gunna be rewarded with an unprotected surefire Top 5 pick for merely facilitating a three way deal, not giving up anything of our core of signficant of value

[saintEscaton]

If we drafted players the Suns fans liked the most in the last 2 drafts, right now we would have Motrezl Harrell (or Looney) and Adreian Payne instead of Booker and Warren.

Here's what 2 of the biggest McDonough's critics on this board had to say on the draft night:

You left out Frank; he's the #1 Anti-McD fan on this forum. But maybe he didn't have anything to say on draft night.

I just think there is WAY too much hate for a GM who's been a GM for all of 2.5 years. Yes, he's made mistakes, but at least he has been engaged and has tried to make deals he felt would be beneficial. This whole "McDoNothing" is ridiculous; he's been about as active a GM as there is in this league. And even if we go beyond the trade deadline without a deal (which I seriously doubt), I still wouldn't feel he is "McDoNothing"; it just means he didn't see a deal he liked. And why 'fight the tank' when all you have is a 'pee shooter'. We are not going to get better by season's end, and why would we want to?

And BTW, let's look at all these trades that have taken place over the past several weeks. I can't believe McD hasn't been involved in any of them!! What a slacker!

http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/transactions/league

I keep hearing "McD has put together the worst team in Suns history," but of course, with no mention of our top 3 PGs, and for the past couple of weeks, our 'best' SF in Warren, and our best PF in Leuer (other than Len) being out of the lineup. This is not the worst team in Suns history; we have a ton of potential with guys like Len, Warren, Booker, Goodwin, Bogdan, even Knight and potentially Leuer, at age 24 and 26 respectively. We also have Bledsoe, and while injury prone, when in the lineup, he's a top 10 PG, overall.

Now compare this roster with 3 years ago with Dudley, Scola, Dragic, Gortat, Beasley, Johnson, Shannon Brown, Frye, and J. O'Neal--amost ZERO potential guys...we had Morris, and that was it, and we all see how that turned out! We may end up with a worse record, but that happens when you have key players out of the line-up...or a felon.

But by all means, lets fire McD, and bring in a new 'punching bag', because as long as over-bearing, micromanaging, and 'sticking-his-nose-into-everything' Sarver is our owner, that's all a new GM will be--a scapegoat. I'll say it again, since coming on board, McD has done more good than harm, but apparently, that's not good enough for this crowd on RealGM. Let's go back to the days of selling picks for cash and trading picks away for scraps and rely only on FA to build the team. Yep, that tactic put together that awesome team of 2012-2013.

But I'm sure firing McD will fix all our woes, right??? Or heck, fix ANY of our woes...

Exactly. The naysayers are not too smart. They're like the social media mob that takes jabs at the franchise any chance they get.

Touche

[Barkley_34]

Because McD didn't actually have to make those picks, the decision was made for him by the teams drafting ahead.

But JJ13 said he was drunk, so logic ain't exactly enhanced.

And not evvvvvvverybody would've chosen Booker; RHJ, Oubre, Payne, and Dekker were all in play as Lotto picks and were 'mocked' as such within the final two weeks before the draft. It's not like Booker was mocked consistently in the top 8 before the draft and he 'slid' all the way down to 13.

And as I mentioned in a couple of posts last week, Len has played pretty well, when given minutes the past month and a half. Noel was NOT given the 'green light' by the med staff, so other than Gobert, Len has played about as well as can be expected.

If we drafted players the Suns fans liked the most in the last 2 drafts, right now we would have Motrezl Harrell (or Looney) and Adreian Payne instead of Booker and Warren.

Here's what 2 of the biggest McDonough's critics on this board had to say on the draft night:

So Suns get to draft a life long role player. You will fit right in with a team filled with role players, Booker.

This makes me sick. 6 years burning tires in the mudd.

Alright we should take Lyles. Booker will never be anything other than a spot up/off the ball perimeter shooter. Just cauz he's light skinned doesnt mean he's Klay Thompson 2.0 LOL

Booker can't create for himself off the dribble or get penetration, plays suspect defense and really the only argument for his upside is "well he was underutilized by Calipari and overshadowed in Kentucky and is still really young and a baby. Oh and he's bigger than Klay at 18."

Amazing post!

[saintEscaton]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=z6yevwf

CLE trades Love/Varejao for Knight/Kieff/Mirza/Tucker
BOS trades Lee/BKN 16 pick for Love
PHX trades Knight/Kieff/Mirza/Tucker for Lee/Varejao/BKN 16 pick

Cleveland moves Love for pieces that fit their team better. Knight as the microwave guard off the bench, Kieff as the starting power forward, Mirza as the stretch 4 off the bench, and Tucker as the grit/grind/3-D guy every contender needs.

Boston gets their star.

We lose Knight, who is a good asset, and we take on Varejao who is absolutely dead money, but we get a top 4 pick back.

I guess I couldn't say no to that. We are giving up the most value, and Cleveland's arguably getting the most. Boston's buying pretty low. But we would be in an ideal position in the draft. And frankly, I'm more interested in that.

Bledsoe
Booker/Goodwin
Warren
Bender
Chandler/Len/Varejao

Add three first round picks to that. And you got cap space. You have lots of money in aging centers.

Carmelo says "he isn't getting traded."

But I wouldn't be surprised if the Celtics and Cavs talked trade. I mean, Ainge has wanted Love in the past. So, devils advocate - Knicks are out of the talks - Suns would be a solid third team.
Suns are giving up a lot of value in the trade above. If they throw in Knight, that seems like too much to me.

I think my trade would be:
Phx: Out Tucker, Kieff, Chandler and Teletovic - all to Cavaliers
Boston: Sullinger to Phoenix, Lee to Phoenix plus the BKN pick to the Suns
Cavs: Out Love to Boston but Kieff, Teletovic, Tucker and Chandler. If the Cavs want their damn pick back, give it back

Knight to me - as the third guy - has more value than Chandler - but that's just wishful thinking. If Cleveland wanted Knight, so be it

We're not gunna be rewarded with a unprotected surefire Top 5 pick for merely facilitating a three way deal where we give up next to nothing while retaining our core. Queef is a self-destructing tumor who isn't all that benign anymore, Knight may not have negative value but he ain't a centerpiece and will be locked in on a bloated longterm contract which is an overpay for a 6th man, Telly is an expiring, Tucker is filler and Chandler is basically unmovable including him is a deadweight salary dump. Get outta her e:lol:

[Sunsdeuce]

If we drafted players the Suns fans liked the most in the last 2 drafts, right now we would have Motrezl Harrell (or Looney) and Adreian Payne instead of Booker and Warren.

Here's what 2 of the biggest McDonough's critics on this board had to say on the draft night:

You left out Frank; he's the #1 Anti-McD fan on this forum. But maybe he didn't have anything to say on draft night.

I just think there is WAY too much hate for a GM who's been a GM for all of 2.5 years. Yes, he's made mistakes, but at least he has been engaged and has tried to make deals he felt would be beneficial. This whole "McDoNothing" is ridiculous; he's been about as active a GM as there is in this league. And even if we go beyond the trade deadline without a deal (which I seriously doubt), I still wouldn't feel he is "McDoNothing"; it just means he didn't see a deal he liked. And why 'fight the tank' when all you have is a 'pee shooter'. We are not going to get better by season's end, and why would we want to?

And BTW, let's look at all these trades that have taken place over the past several weeks. I can't believe McD hasn't been involved in any of them!! What a slacker!

http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/transactions/league

I keep hearing "McD has put together the worst team in Suns history," but of course, with no mention of our top 3 PGs, and for the past couple of weeks, our 'best' SF in Warren, and our best PF in Leuer (other than Len) being out of the lineup. This is not the worst team in Suns history; we have a ton of potential with guys like Len, Warren, Booker, Goodwin, Bogdan, even Knight and potentially Leuer, at age 24 and 26 respectively. We also have Bledsoe, and while injury prone, when in the lineup, he's a top 10 PG, overall.

Now compare this roster with 3 years ago with Dudley, Scola, Dragic, Gortat, Beasley, Johnson, Shannon Brown, Frye, and J. O'Neal--amost ZERO potential guys...we had Morris, and that was it, and we all see how that turned out! We may end up with a worse record, but that happens when you have key players out of the line-up...or a felon.

But by all means, lets fire McD, and bring in a new 'punching bag', because as long as over-bearing, micromanaging, and 'sticking-his-nose-into-everything' Sarver is our owner, that's all a new GM will be--a scapegoat. I'll say it again, since coming on board, McD has done more good than harm, but apparently, that's not good enough for this crowd on RealGM. Let's go back to the days of selling picks for cash and trading picks away for scraps and rely only on FA to build the team. Yep, that tactic put together that awesome team of 2012-2013.

But I'm sure firing McD will fix all our woes, right??? Or heck, fix ANY of our woes...

Exactly. The naysayers are not too smart. They're like the social media mob that takes jabs at the franchise any chance they get.

Lol, naysayers....your talking about 90% of the basketball world. No one has a ounce of respect for this organization right now. Hope u have a lot of time on your hands because there's millions of naysayers you can point your finger at as well as just about every GM in the league, every media person....I can keep going.

[AtheJ415]

And not evvvvvvverybody would've chosen Booker; RHJ, Oubre, Payne, and Dekker were all in play as Lotto picks and were 'mocked' as such within the final two weeks before the draft. It's not like Booker was mocked consistently in the top 8 before the draft and he 'slid' all the way down to 13.

And as I mentioned in a couple of posts last week, Len has played pretty well, when given minutes the past month and a half. Noel was NOT given the 'green light' by the med staff, so other than Gobert, Len has played about as well as can be expected.

If we drafted players the Suns fans liked the most in the last 2 drafts, right now we would have Motrezl Harrell (or Looney) and Adreian Payne instead of Booker and Warren.

Here's what 2 of the biggest McDonough's critics on this board had to say on the draft night:

So Suns get to draft a life long role player. You will fit right in with a team filled with role players, Booker.

This makes me sick. 6 years burning tires in the mudd.

Alright we should take Lyles. Booker will never be anything other than a spot up/off the ball perimeter shooter. Just cauz he's light skinned doesnt mean he's Klay Thompson 2.0 LOL

Booker can't create for himself off the dribble or get penetration, plays suspect defense and really the only argument for his upside is "well he was underutilized by Calipari and overshadowed in Kentucky and is still really young and a baby. Oh and he's bigger than Klay at 18."

That's one I'm glad to say I was wrong about Booker. Anyway, still doesn't change the piss poor decisions Ryan has made.

1) overpaying Bledsoe
2) overpaying Knight
2b) trading for Knight
3) overpaying Chandler
4) keeping Markieff
5) putting a bad roster together
6) hiring/firing Jeff H
7) firing assistants in the middle of the season
8) signing/trading I Thomas
9) building a 2 PG system
9b) building a 2 PG system around Medicore PGs
10) Hiring Watson
11) Coddling Kieff
12) trading away the Lakers pick
13) contributing to the lack of loyalty in players eyes
14) signing sonny Weems
15) putting this team in a bad position salary Cap wise with a team filled with overpaid players
[b]16) team is arguably in a Worse position than its was 3 years ago.
[/b]
Things he got right
1) Drafting Len (sorta)
2) Drafting Booker
3) Trading away Scola
4) Drafting Warren (not yet confirmed yet)
6) trading for Bledsoe (even if Bledsoe is overrated) for practicially nothing is a good return
7) getting a nice role player in Leuer for almost nothing
8) .... (Running out of ideas)


So yeah, Ryan has shown he has a decent eye for drafting but everything else is bad.

Ryan has done many questionable things that should be scrutinized. Sorry if I don't see happy happy joy joy with Ryan.

Do I think firing him is going to help, no because it's gonna take another GM about 3-4 years to clean this mess up. So Suns will be back where they started.


And to be quite Frank.....Sarver is the man at the Top so more of my blame goes to him. He has little desire to be the owner of a class organization. He can talk the talk but has has never walked the walk! Don't see this organization cultural changing until he sells. I don't associate class individual with Sarver.

You are so horribly wrong on all of the bolded. Just laughable.

Bledsoe is not overpaid. Look at the years remaining on his deal and what others are getting paid. You're then complaining for him both hiring and firing Jeff. You can't have it both ways. Same with signing and trading IT. There's no proof he "built" the 2 PG system. Pretty sure that was Jeff's system.

Also, we're in great cap shape and anybody claiming we're in a worse position than we were 3 years ago is in complete denail about where we were 3 years ago. That's not even debatable. It makes me question if there's a personal aspect to this, because no rational person could think this team's future was brighter with the Jared Dudley, Gortat, and Scola core than Bledsoe, Booker, Len, Warren, Knight, Bogdan, Goodwin.

[saintEscaton]

You left out Frank; he's the #1 Anti-McD fan on this forum. But maybe he didn't have anything to say on draft night.

I just think there is WAY too much hate for a GM who's been a GM for all of 2.5 years. Yes, he's made mistakes, but at least he has been engaged and has tried to make deals he felt would be beneficial. This whole "McDoNothing" is ridiculous; he's been about as active a GM as there is in this league. And even if we go beyond the trade deadline without a deal (which I seriously doubt), I still wouldn't feel he is "McDoNothing"; it just means he didn't see a deal he liked. And why 'fight the tank' when all you have is a 'pee shooter'. We are not going to get better by season's end, and why would we want to?

And BTW, let's look at all these trades that have taken place over the past several weeks. I can't believe McD hasn't been involved in any of them!! What a slacker!

http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/transactions/league

I keep hearing "McD has put together the worst team in Suns history," but of course, with no mention of our top 3 PGs, and for the past couple of weeks, our 'best' SF in Warren, and our best PF in Leuer (other than Len) being out of the lineup. This is not the worst team in Suns history; we have a ton of potential with guys like Len, Warren, Booker, Goodwin, Bogdan, even Knight and potentially Leuer, at age 24 and 26 respectively. We also have Bledsoe, and while injury prone, when in the lineup, he's a top 10 PG, overall.

Now compare this roster with 3 years ago with Dudley, Scola, Dragic, Gortat, Beasley, Johnson, Shannon Brown, Frye, and J. O'Neal--amost ZERO potential guys...we had Morris, and that was it, and we all see how that turned out! We may end up with a worse record, but that happens when you have key players out of the line-up...or a felon.

But by all means, lets fire McD, and bring in a new 'punching bag', because as long as over-bearing, micromanaging, and 'sticking-his-nose-into-everything' Sarver is our owner, that's all a new GM will be--a scapegoat. I'll say it again, since coming on board, McD has done more good than harm, but apparently, that's not good enough for this crowd on RealGM. Let's go back to the days of selling picks for cash and trading picks away for scraps and rely only on FA to build the team. Yep, that tactic put together that awesome team of 2012-2013.

But I'm sure firing McD will fix all our woes, right??? Or heck, fix ANY of our woes...

Exactly. The naysayers are not too smart. They're like the social media mob that takes jabs at the franchise any chance they get.

Lol, naysayers....your talking about 90% of the basketball world. No one has a ounce of respect for this organization right now. Hope u have a lot of time on your hands because there's millions of naysayers you can point your finger at as well as just about every GM in the league, every media person....I can keep going.

But those are filthy casuals who aren't as enlightened as us apologists

[AtheJ415]

If we drafted players the Suns fans liked the most in the last 2 drafts, right now we would have Motrezl Harrell (or Looney) and Adreian Payne instead of Booker and Warren.

Here's what 2 of the biggest McDonough's critics on this board had to say on the draft night:

You left out Frank; he's the #1 Anti-McD fan on this forum. But maybe he didn't have anything to say on draft night.

I just think there is WAY too much hate for a GM who's been a GM for all of 2.5 years. Yes, he's made mistakes, but at least he has been engaged and has tried to make deals he felt would be beneficial. This whole "McDoNothing" is ridiculous; he's been about as active a GM as there is in this league. And even if we go beyond the trade deadline without a deal (which I seriously doubt), I still wouldn't feel he is "McDoNothing"; it just means he didn't see a deal he liked. And why 'fight the tank' when all you have is a 'pee shooter'. We are not going to get better by season's end, and why would we want to?

And BTW, let's look at all these trades that have taken place over the past several weeks. I can't believe McD hasn't been involved in any of them!! What a slacker!

http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/transactions/league

I keep hearing "McD has put together the worst team in Suns history," but of course, with no mention of our top 3 PGs, and for the past couple of weeks, our 'best' SF in Warren, and our best PF in Leuer (other than Len) being out of the lineup. This is not the worst team in Suns history; we have a ton of potential with guys like Len, Warren, Booker, Goodwin, Bogdan, even Knight and potentially Leuer, at age 24 and 26 respectively. We also have Bledsoe, and while injury prone, when in the lineup, he's a top 10 PG, overall.

Now compare this roster with 3 years ago with Dudley, Scola, Dragic, Gortat, Beasley, Johnson, Shannon Brown, Frye, and J. O'Neal--amost ZERO potential guys...we had Morris, and that was it, and we all see how that turned out! We may end up with a worse record, but that happens when you have key players out of the line-up...or a felon.

But by all means, lets fire McD, and bring in a new 'punching bag', because as long as over-bearing, micromanaging, and 'sticking-his-nose-into-everything' Sarver is our owner, that's all a new GM will be--a scapegoat. I'll say it again, since coming on board, McD has done more good than harm, but apparently, that's not good enough for this crowd on RealGM. Let's go back to the days of selling picks for cash and trading picks away for scraps and rely only on FA to build the team. Yep, that tactic put together that awesome team of 2012-2013.

But I'm sure firing McD will fix all our woes, right??? Or heck, fix ANY of our woes...

Exactly. The naysayers are not too smart. They're like the social media mob that takes jabs at the franchise any chance they get.

What he did was put together one of the youngest teams in Suns history. Young teams don't win in this league. Look at Minnesota or OKC when they were super young. Not even those teams, with all-world talent and budding superstars, won a ton of games at this stage. This team needed to get younger, because 3 years ago we had 0, and I mean 0 young pieces at all, with an old team that had no prayer of doing anything (i don't buy the 8 seed was possible with that team either). What I find most hilarious is that so many of his haters criticize him for both the acquisition, and then the letting go, of players. They want it both ways in the world of haterdom.

[Sunsdeuce]

If we drafted players the Suns fans liked the most in the last 2 drafts, right now we would have Motrezl Harrell (or Looney) and Adreian Payne instead of Booker and Warren.

Here's what 2 of the biggest McDonough's critics on this board had to say on the draft night:

That's one I'm glad to say I was wrong about Booker. Anyway, still doesn't change the piss poor decisions Ryan has made.

1) overpaying Bledsoe
2) overpaying Knight
2b) trading for Knight
3) overpaying Chandler
4) keeping Markieff
5) putting a bad roster together
6) hiring/firing Jeff H
7) firing assistants in the middle of the season
8) signing/trading I Thomas
9) building a 2 PG system
9b) building a 2 PG system around Medicore PGs
10) Hiring Watson
11) Coddling Kieff
12) trading away the Lakers pick
13) contributing to the lack of loyalty in players eyes
14) signing sonny Weems
15) putting this team in a bad position salary Cap wise with a team filled with overpaid players
[b]16) team is arguably in a Worse position than its was 3 years ago.
[/b]
Things he got right
1) Drafting Len (sorta)
2) Drafting Booker
3) Trading away Scola
4) Drafting Warren (not yet confirmed yet)
6) trading for Bledsoe (even if Bledsoe is overrated) for practicially nothing is a good return
7) getting a nice role player in Leuer for almost nothing
8) .... (Running out of ideas)


So yeah, Ryan has shown he has a decent eye for drafting but everything else is bad.

Ryan has done many questionable things that should be scrutinized. Sorry if I don't see happy happy joy joy with Ryan.

Do I think firing him is going to help, no because it's gonna take another GM about 3-4 years to clean this mess up. So Suns will be back where they started.


And to be quite Frank.....Sarver is the man at the Top so more of my blame goes to him. He has little desire to be the owner of a class organization. He can talk the talk but has has never walked the walk! Don't see this organization cultural changing until he sells. I don't associate class individual with Sarver.

You are so horribly wrong on all of the bolded. Just laughable.

Bledsoe is not overpaid. Look at the years remaining on his deal and what others are getting paid. You're then complaining for him both hiring and firing Jeff. You can't have it both ways. Same with signing and trading IT. There's no proof he "built" the 2 PG system. Pretty sure that was Jeff's system.

Also, we're in great cap shape and anybody claiming we're in a worse position than we were 3 years ago is in complete denail about where we were 3 years ago. That's not even debatable. It makes me question if there's a personal aspect to this, because no rational person could think this team's future was brighter with the Jared Dudley, Gortat, and Scola core than Bledsoe, Booker, Len, Warren, Knight, Bogdan, Goodwin.

We can keep going round and round about this but the bottom line is no one offered Bledsoe a contract (make up any excuse you want). The team does not have a great deal of money to add but 1 star player. I Thomas signing was a desperation signing. Which caused a logjam at PG and ended up biting Ryan in the ass (to put it nicely) which ultimately pissed off Goran. Every GM in the league was bewildered about the what Ryan was doing. And yes the Suns are in an "arguable" worse position cap wise. They had so much money coming off the books now they are strapped with chandlers, Knights, Bledsoe contracts. And Ryan is the one who signed the PGs so don't try and point fingers at Jeff as the one who devised the 2 PG system, he has to work with what he had. Not exactly a winning formula.

But hey we can definitely disagree since this is just a forum.

[NavLDO]

And not evvvvvvverybody would've chosen Booker; RHJ, Oubre, Payne, and Dekker were all in play as Lotto picks and were 'mocked' as such within the final two weeks before the draft. It's not like Booker was mocked consistently in the top 8 before the draft and he 'slid' all the way down to 13.

And as I mentioned in a couple of posts last week, Len has played pretty well, when given minutes the past month and a half. Noel was NOT given the 'green light' by the med staff, so other than Gobert, Len has played about as well as can be expected.

If we drafted players the Suns fans liked the most in the last 2 drafts, right now we would have Motrezl Harrell (or Looney) and Adreian Payne instead of Booker and Warren.

Here's what 2 of the biggest McDonough's critics on this board had to say on the draft night:

So Suns get to draft a life long role player. You will fit right in with a team filled with role players, Booker.

This makes me sick. 6 years burning tires in the mudd.

Alright we should take Lyles. Booker will never be anything other than a spot up/off the ball perimeter shooter. Just cauz he's light skinned doesnt mean he's Klay Thompson 2.0 LOL

Booker can't create for himself off the dribble or get penetration, plays suspect defense and really the only argument for his upside is "well he was underutilized by Calipari and overshadowed in Kentucky and is still really young and a baby. Oh and he's bigger than Klay at 18."

That's one I'm glad to say I was wrong about Booker. Anyway, still doesn't change the piss poor decisions Ryan has made.

1) overpaying Bledsoe -- Not true. His contract is fair value. You can't foresee injuries to his HEALTHY knee.
2) overpaying Knight -- How so. How many games this season has he and Bledsoe actually played together? 32? Yeah, that's enough to grade his performance on...
2b) trading for Knight -- hindsight 20/20, huh...love those, especially since he's 24 and by all accounts "done" in this league, right???
3) overpaying Chandler -- in order to go after LMA. Was one of final two teams he decided on.
4) keeping Markieff -- I'm sure there have been a ton of suitors since the assault charge, right??
5) putting a bad roster together -- Really? That's weak...and wrong...
6) hiring/firing Jeff H -- Umm...Sarver written all over those decisions, not McD
7) firing assistants in the middle of the season -- See #6
8) signing/trading I Thomas -- So which is it? Signing him to a stellar contract, or trading him away for a 1st Rounder?
9) building a 2 PG system -- OK...sure...resulted in a 48-34 season...initially
9b) building a 2 PG system around Medicore PGs -- Bledsoe is a top 10 PG when healthy...that's mediocre? Knight was 4th n All-star voting before we traded for him, and Dragic was a 3rd Team All-NBA in that system...so, wrong...AGAIN...
10) Hiring Watson -- Really??? We've played what, 5 games since then? And have been more competitive in every game since...
11) Coddling Kieff -- Sarver, again...
12) trading away the Lakers pick -- Ahh, the Lakers pick argument...and no mention of our two Heat picks...LOVE, LOVE, LOVE that cherry-picking!!! BTW, you have to include that in the Knight trade...
13) contributing to the lack of loyalty in players eyes...who, the whining Dragic?? Yeah, think he go that one right...
14) signing sonny Weems -- honestly??? You are scraping the bottom of the barrel here...
15) putting this team in a bad position salary Cap wise with a team filled with overpaid players -- Are we, really? Let's re-evaluate this after the trade deadline...
16) team is arguably in a Worse position than its was 3 years ago. -- OK, this right here shows your unreasonable Bias, right here...

Things he got right
1) Drafting Len (sorta)
2) Drafting Booker
3) Trading away Scola
4) Drafting Warren (not yet confirmed yet)
5) .... (Running out of ideas)

I'll help you out....
Trading for Bledsoe
Trading away Dudley (following your example of counting things twice)
Trading Dragic?
Trading Dragic for two 1st Rd picks (following your example of counting things twice, ooh, and if I split up the picks, I can get one more 'positive', too...)
Drafting Goodwin at 28
Trading IT for a 1st, since we didn't pay anything to sign him, other than a trade exception and Oriakhi...whoopit-de-doo...
Signing Jordan McRae (following your example of signing backup players, ie Weems)
Signing Brandon Wright
Trading Frye
Dumping Beasley
Traded Butler for Ish
Signed Leandro Barbosa
Signed Tucker to a good contract
Traded for Plumlee, and gave us good minutes toward our 48-34 season
Traded Plumlee as his value was declining

And I'll take these from your "Down" list and add them to my "Up" List

Signing Bledsoe
Signing Knight
Putting a GOOD roster together, with GOOD young development potentials
Team is arguably in a BETTER position than its was 3 years ago. Because Scola, O'Neal, Beasley, Dudley, S. Brown and W.Johnson were our future, right???
SignigWatson, since the team has improved with him at the helm



So yeah, Ryan has shown he has a decent eye for drafting but everything else is bad.

Ryan has done many questionable things that should be scrutinized. Sorry if I don't see happy happy joy joy with Ryan.

Do I think firing him is going to help, no because it's gonna take another GM about 3-4 years to clean this mess up. So Suns will be back where they started.

So I'll say it again...it's EASY to cherry-pick arguments, and your post is the epitome of a "cherry-picked argument!

[TOO]

My goals for this trade deadline:

1. Trade Keef, Tucker, Mirza to highest bidder - preferably in a large deal.
2. Trade Knight for value. We have no need for him, since he evidently can't play point.
3. Grab a young 4. There are only three that are evident to my wandering eye - Sullinger, Saric, Lyles. Don't know how available Saric and Lyles are, but Sully should be attainable.

I'm hoping we do a blockbuster that accomplishes all three.

Sullinger is a turd. The other 2 are unlikely to be available.

TheOriginalOriginal! I remember you from phx-suns.net! (I am OE32)

Sullinger played well enough against us; otherwise, I concur in your analysis.

... Do you like Terrence Jones? I'm not a fan, myself. I don't see many options at the 4. Do you think we're stuck with Bledsoe/Knight? I can't imagine anyone trading for Bledsoe this summer... Who do you like in the draft?? Who would you target in a trade??

Not a huge Jones fan, he's like a less talented Josh Smith. I think there will always be a taker for Bledsoe, Knight I'm not sure about. In the draft outside of the top 2, I like Sabonis, Bender, and Grayson Allen a lot.

[NavLDO]

You left out Frank; he's the #1 Anti-McD fan on this forum. But maybe he didn't have anything to say on draft night.

I just think there is WAY too much hate for a GM who's been a GM for all of 2.5 years. Yes, he's made mistakes, but at least he has been engaged and has tried to make deals he felt would be beneficial. This whole "McDoNothing" is ridiculous; he's been about as active a GM as there is in this league. And even if we go beyond the trade deadline without a deal (which I seriously doubt), I still wouldn't feel he is "McDoNothing"; it just means he didn't see a deal he liked. And why 'fight the tank' when all you have is a 'pee shooter'. We are not going to get better by season's end, and why would we want to?

And BTW, let's look at all these trades that have taken place over the past several weeks. I can't believe McD hasn't been involved in any of them!! What a slacker!

http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/transactions/league

I keep hearing "McD has put together the worst team in Suns history," but of course, with no mention of our top 3 PGs, and for the past couple of weeks, our 'best' SF in Warren, and our best PF in Leuer (other than Len) being out of the lineup. This is not the worst team in Suns history; we have a ton of potential with guys like Len, Warren, Booker, Goodwin, Bogdan, even Knight and potentially Leuer, at age 24 and 26 respectively. We also have Bledsoe, and while injury prone, when in the lineup, he's a top 10 PG, overall.

Now compare this roster with 3 years ago with Dudley, Scola, Dragic, Gortat, Beasley, Johnson, Shannon Brown, Frye, and J. O'Neal--amost ZERO potential guys...we had Morris, and that was it, and we all see how that turned out! We may end up with a worse record, but that happens when you have key players out of the line-up...or a felon.

But by all means, lets fire McD, and bring in a new 'punching bag', because as long as over-bearing, micromanaging, and 'sticking-his-nose-into-everything' Sarver is our owner, that's all a new GM will be--a scapegoat. I'll say it again, since coming on board, McD has done more good than harm, but apparently, that's not good enough for this crowd on RealGM. Let's go back to the days of selling picks for cash and trading picks away for scraps and rely only on FA to build the team. Yep, that tactic put together that awesome team of 2012-2013.

But I'm sure firing McD will fix all our woes, right??? Or heck, fix ANY of our woes...

Exactly. The naysayers are not too smart. They're like the social media mob that takes jabs at the franchise any chance they get.

Lol, naysayers....your talking about 90% of the basketball world. No one has a ounce of respect for this organization right now. Hope u have a lot of time on your hands because there's millions of naysayers you can point your finger at as well as just about every GM in the league, every media person....I can keep going.

Please do. Oooh, here's a challenge for you. List EVERY GM in the game, and EVERY media person, and provide a Quote from each that they don't respect McD or this Organization...and BTW, those that DO NOT respect this organization, is due to Sarver, NOT McD...

I'll wait while you put his together...#Hyperboleatitsworst

[MrMiyagi]

That's one I'm glad to say I was wrong about Booker. Anyway, still doesn't change the piss poor decisions Ryan has made.

1) overpaying Bledsoe
On what planet is his deal bad? Let me rattle off some names that are making more money than him: Demarre Carroll, Tristain Thompson, Enes Kanter, Tobias Harris, Chandler Parsons, Goran Dragic, and Khris Middleton. Some more making within 2 million below him: Ricky Rubio, Kemba Walker, Ty Lawson, Robin Lopez, Nikola Pekovic. Which of those players and their contracts would you rather have over Bledsoe?
2) overpaying Knight
2b) trading for Knight
On the trade: We're going to have to wait to see where the Lakers' pick lands next season to decide whether the trade was worth it from a talent perspective. On the contract: Refer to the list in above.
3) overpaying Chandler
I'll agree with that. The contract is bad.
4) keeping Markieff
Actively looking to get rid of him. How is Markieff turning into a 6'10 toddler McD's fault? Kieff hadn't done anything wrong prior to his brother arriving, it made sense to move his brother and not Kieff. We are now seeing that keeping Kieff is also a mistake. Do you really think trades can happen as quickly as they do in NBA 2k? Wait until the deadline passes (when most trades happen) before bashing.
5) putting a bad roster together
How do you define that? This is important. Is the roster imbalanced, in your mind? I'm not sure I agree with that. Bled and Knight are starting caliber, near all-star level guards, Kieff coming into this season was a legitimate starting caliber 4, Chandler was a legitimate starting center (and still is, but his offense has plummeted due to nobody being able to toss a lob). PJ is the only non-starting caliber player in the starting lineup, but we have a good young player in Warren likely to take over in the next year, as well as young talented players in the backcourt behind Bledsoe and Knight (Booker and Goodwin), as well as behind Chandler (Len). Mirza and Leuer have proven to be more than competent back up 4s. Now we get to Weems and Price, who have turned out to be expensive 12th and 13th men. Are there no good players on it, in your mind? Again, I disagree.
6) hiring/firing Jeff H
The Jeff Hornacek who nearly had us in the playoffs his first season? That's a bad hire? The Jeff Hornacek who lost the locker room? That was a bad fire? Basically you have believe one of those things, so one of your complaints has to go.
7) firing assistants in the middle of the season
Again, won't argue against that move - a head scratcher for sure.
8) signing/trading I Thomas
Like Hornacek, you basically have to choose one or the other. If it was a mistake to trade IT, then it wasn't a mistake to sign him. If it was a mistake to sign him, it shouldn't be a mistake to trade him.
9) building a 2 PG system
9b) building a 2 PG system around Medicore PGs
You mean the system that got us 48 wins? Who are the players you'd have over Knight and Bledsoe who are available to acquire? Sure I'd rather have Steph and Klay, but they're not going anywhere. Seriously, what is your alternative solution?
10) Hiring Watson
I have no clue about Watson, but I'll let you have this one.
11) Coddling Kieff
So you want him to tear Kieff a new one in public, instead of trying to keep in-house business in-house
12) trading away the Lakers pick
Essentially the same as trading for Knight, again can't judge until we know what the pick actually is. Lakers keep it this year for sure, so we'll see about next season.
13) contributing to the lack of loyalty in players eyes
What do you mean by this? If all our roster is junk, he should be looking to get rid of them, right? Why is loyalty necessary? Unless we have talented players we should be looking to be loyal to, then he shouldn't be looking to trade them. So are Knight and Bled talented and should be held onto? Was IT? Marcus? Scola? Dragic? Now Kieff?
14) signing sonny Weems
Sonny isn't even that expensive, and like I said, he's a 12th or 13th man.....
15) putting this team in a bad position salary Cap wise with a team filled with overpaid players
Again, a restatement of Bled/Knight/Chandler contracts. Not sure how Knight and Bled are overpaid, but I'll give you Chandler. We aren't even trapped by these contracts, especially with a new cap looming.
16) team is arguably in a Worse position than its was 3 years ago.
We have a good young player at every position except the 4. I don't see how you can make this claim.

Bascially, you make it so McD is damned if he does, damned if he doesn't and repeat a lot of complaints to have a longer list.....

[NavLDO]

That's one I'm glad to say I was wrong about Booker. Anyway, still doesn't change the piss poor decisions Ryan has made.

1) overpaying Bledsoe
2) overpaying Knight
2b) trading for Knight
3) overpaying Chandler
4) keeping Markieff
5) putting a bad roster together
6) hiring/firing Jeff H
7) firing assistants in the middle of the season
8) signing/trading I Thomas
9) building a 2 PG system
9b) building a 2 PG system around Medicore PGs
10) Hiring Watson
11) Coddling Kieff
12) trading away the Lakers pick
13) contributing to the lack of loyalty in players eyes
14) signing sonny Weems
15) putting this team in a bad position salary Cap wise with a team filled with overpaid players
[b]16) team is arguably in a Worse position than its was 3 years ago.
[/b]
Things he got right
1) Drafting Len (sorta)
2) Drafting Booker
3) Trading away Scola
4) Drafting Warren (not yet confirmed yet)
6) trading for Bledsoe (even if Bledsoe is overrated) for practicially nothing is a good return
7) getting a nice role player in Leuer for almost nothing
8) .... (Running out of ideas)


So yeah, Ryan has shown he has a decent eye for drafting but everything else is bad.

Ryan has done many questionable things that should be scrutinized. Sorry if I don't see happy happy joy joy with Ryan.

Do I think firing him is going to help, no because it's gonna take another GM about 3-4 years to clean this mess up. So Suns will be back where they started.


And to be quite Frank.....Sarver is the man at the Top so more of my blame goes to him. He has little desire to be the owner of a class organization. He can talk the talk but has has never walked the walk! Don't see this organization cultural changing until he sells. I don't associate class individual with Sarver.

You are so horribly wrong on all of the bolded. Just laughable.

Bledsoe is not overpaid. Look at the years remaining on his deal and what others are getting paid. You're then complaining for him both hiring and firing Jeff. You can't have it both ways. Same with signing and trading IT. There's no proof he "built" the 2 PG system. Pretty sure that was Jeff's system.

Also, we're in great cap shape and anybody claiming we're in a worse position than we were 3 years ago is in complete denail about where we were 3 years ago. That's not even debatable. It makes me question if there's a personal aspect to this, because no rational person could think this team's future was brighter with the Jared Dudley, Gortat, and Scola core than Bledsoe, Booker, Len, Warren, Knight, Bogdan, Goodwin.

We can keep going round and round about this but the bottom line is no one offered Bledsoe a contract (make up any excuse you want) -- Do not care, we signed him to a reasonable contract, and yes, we can go round and round on that fact all you want. The team does not have a great deal of money to add but 1 star player. I Thomas signing was a desperation signing. -- What were we 'desperate' for, exactly?? It was a smart business move, as it ultimately ended up in TWO plusses, a 1st Rd pick, and a whiny, declining talent in Dragic off our roster. Which caused a logjam at PG and ended up biting Ryan in the ass (to put it nicely) which ultimately pissed off Goran -- How did it bite him in the ass? Again, we got more value from him than had we not signed him??? What are you missing with this? Here. Do a Net Gain/Loss with IT, and tell me we lost out on that deal. Again, Dragic off the roster IS A PLUS!! . Every GM in the league was bewildered about the what Ryan was doing. -- Again. Hyperbole. Love it. I can play too...EVERY GM loved the trade for Bledsoe. EVERY media-type thought the signing of IT was a good bargain. I can go on and on with this hyperbolic junk all day, too. And yes the Suns are in an "arguable" worse position cap wise. They had so much money coming off the books now they are strapped with chandlers, Knights, Bledsoe contracts. And Ryan is the one who signed the PGs so don't try and point fingers at Jeff as the one who devised the 2 PG system, he has to work with what he had. -- How about Sarver? Did he have a say in it? Please tell me 'no' so you can 'show yourself', yet again, today... Not exactly a winning formula.

But hey we can definitely disagree since this is just a forum. -- Yep, we can, but it would be nice if you toned down the hyperbole and the cherry-picking.

Again, no one is trying to portray McD as a 'people person' or the best GM to ever bless the NBA, only that again, he has done more good than harm to this team, as much as you try to portray with your hyperbole and cherry-picking that this fact isn't the case. It is. This team had ZERO prospects following a 25-57 season. And now, we have multiple future picks, and multiple players under the age of 25. But go ahead and believe McD hasn't done more good for this team than harm...all the media-naysayer types are te same guys who were PRAISING McD and Horny after our 48-34 season...fickle crowd, ya' know...funny how you refuse to admit to that, huh...goes against your argument, does it??

[saintEscaton]

OK fine you win , we concede. Yes he's better than Blanks but that ain't saying much to put it mildly...